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S07E08: Knights of the Living Dead (13-Apr-2011, 9pm E)

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10:32 am
April 12, 2011


Nosfer

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GH is off to Worcester, MA, to hunt ghosts at the Higgins Armory Museum. While a worthy location (in a non-ghost manner) I really am tiring of these commercial places, especially when they seem to be nothing more than publicity episodes. I have no problem with helping out a museum, but do it up front and not veiled with a ghost hunt. You cannot help but wonder about the findings in such cases.

What, exactly, am I talking about? Well, I'm glad you asked. This episodes airs on 13 April. This, in a fashion similar to America's First Zoo, coincides very nicely with the dress rehearsal of the new Castle Quest gallery on 16 April which then has it's Grand Opening about three weeks later. Coincidence? Yep…and I've got some land for sale, too.

http://higgins.org/castle-quest.php

Other than the haunted Halloween festivities, there does not seem to be any hauntedness associated with this place…yet. Rest assured that GH will make the best of it, though.

However, 30 April IS the date of a Trebuchet Contest…why must this place be so far away!

The museum opened in 1931 and houses a large collection of armor and weaponry. However, it does have a "paranormal" side in that it also houses a Beyond Belief exhibit which contains such things as a Gargoyle Skeleton and a fairy vacuum (they DO get dirty, you know).

Britt gives us a lesson on how objects such as a blade can become infused with the life-energy of the victim that gets expelled at the moment of death. So glad he's back.

With all the displays (glass) and armor suits, I can see how reflections could play havoc with one's senses, especially in the dark. Especially if you go in with a mind set that a place is already haunted.

It should be an interesting episode, if nothing else for the quick views we'll get of the exhibits.

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11:46 am
April 13, 2011


HollyDolly

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Oh I'm sure they will. It's sad they have become mere pitchman for these commercial places, and as you say,the timing is too convient. However it sounds like an interesting place to see. As a little girl i had a castle with knights in armour. Don't know what ever happend to it.While I haven't heard of anything paranormal there, that doesn't mean something couldn't happen. The place is filled with old armour and weapons from various centuries

and countries, so it might be possible someone or something could be attached to a suit of armour or weapon.

If there is anything there, maybe the muesum keeps it quite,and doesn't disclose this to the public.

Maybe stuff happens just to the security folks, and or things are caught on security camera.

Would be nice if they caught a suit of armour walking around that takes potshots at the team with a mace, morningstar or sword, but I doubt that will happen,haha.

2:01 pm
April 13, 2011


Revenant

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Nosfer said:

What, exactly, am I talking about? Well, I'm glad you asked. This episodes airs on 13 April. This, in a fashion similar to America's First Zoo, coincides very nicely with the dress rehearsal of the new Castle Quest gallery on 16 April which then has it's Grand Opening about three weeks later. Coincidence? Yep…and I've got some land for sale, too.


 

I am interested in the land for sale.  Oh…wait…

*Puts his glass of kool-aid down and hangs his head low* Frown

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

2:47 pm
April 13, 2011


blinddog

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Next up, spook hunting at a Renaissance Festival.

 

I hear visitorship is down at DisneyWorld. Do I sense a 'Haunted Mansion Halloween Special' in the air. 

 

Naw. Even these goobs couldn't find a ghost there.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

11:40 pm
April 13, 2011


Axel Olrik

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Maddie's tail doesn't look right for a GSD/ACD cross….too curly.

What other fraud are they trying to perpetrate?Smile

7:58 am
April 14, 2011


Eric

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Notice the Halloween cat on the right side (customer side) of the register at the gift shop….Pre Halloween episode; one more bulletpoint in the promotional tours?

 

I get that the EVP's by definition are much lower frequencies and therefore difficult to pinpoint significance, however, as a beginning investigator (read: Haven't cracked open "Ghost Hunting for Dummies"..written by the Techmangler himself), there'd still be doubt as to what it is.  Is it an EVP? IMO not really.  It's an EP…but not and eVp….dragging and footsteps…no definitive voice.  Without a voice, it could be any number of things…least of which Casper.

There was an episode in the 1st Season I think when Brian caught a couple of orbs and Jason tore him a new one asking "Do you want to post that out there [the internet] and have everyone rip you to shreds about it not being a ghost?"  Same thing here.  Nosfer, would these noises be considered "signs of activity" or no?

I still like the show, but am not impressed with the EVP's anymore.

What happened to Adam's outside the box thinking?

9:18 am
April 14, 2011


Nosfer

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I don't think that, anywhere, I have seen a formal, consistently applied definition of what an EVP is.  Lower frequency?  That's rarely mentioned…and even more rarely shown.  The one DT has been flashing on screen a lot lately is the typical one about sounds caught on a recording device that were not audible at the time.  Probably half the ones that GH trots out anymore are simply recordings of things that the investigators heard during the "investigation". Thus not EVPs or even EPs by that definition. 

I suggest that we really confuse things, throw out the Voice and replace it with Sound and then have these guys all going around talking about ESP Laugh

And originally, the medium upon which they were imprinted was key, ie magnetic tape.  That one has gone out the window, too, with solid state recording devices.

Is it really even an EP (a phenomenon specific to the electronics) if it also vibrated the ear drum?  But then, how do we know that there were even vibrations?  Maybe all voices we hear are simply ghosts directly manipulating the cochlea?  After all, couldn't they create the electrical impulses there by bypassing the vibration phase?  Is that why sometimes only one investigator hears something?  I have this theory…

 

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9:22 am
April 14, 2011


HollyDolly

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I hope my sister taped this for me.It's frustrating when they have these evps,and you have trouble understanding what's said. You're right, just sounds like dragging and footsteps aren't an evp,since no voice is invovled,and they should not classify it as one.

By the way,check out the Daily Mail website,under news.They have about the Fairbanks Homestead in Dedham,mass. The place was built around the 1630s.The muesum director,who is a descendant of the Fairbanks family,called in TAPS  to investigate the place supposedly last year.Don't know if the place was on tv yet, but looking at the building, looks like they too are trying to hitch a wagon to the GH gravytrain.

If you see the photos of the place, it looks like it needs restoration work, badly.

What better way to drum up money than say your place is haunted.

 

10:38 am
April 14, 2011


Learjet

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The one cold chain moving was interesting. Not sure what to make of that.

OD'd on EMF

10:42 am
April 14, 2011


Nosfer

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Post edited 10:43 am – April 14, 2011 by Nosfer


Learjet said:

The one cold chain moving was interesting. Not sure what to make of that.


 

Would love to have seen the thermal pointed at it     …just cause I'm curious.

 

Edited: The usual issues with the Quote and Reply function :(

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11:49 am
April 14, 2011


Revenant

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Post edited 11:52 am – April 14, 2011 by Revenant
Post edited 11:52 am – April 14, 2011 by Revenant


Nosfer said:

And originally, the medium upon which they were imprinted was key, ie magnetic tape.  That one has gone out the window, too, with solid state recording devices.

 


 

That's one of my all time favorite "magical abilities" of ghosts…the ability to literally change the way that they communicate to keep up with advancements in technology.  Quite brilliant those ghosts are.

Eric…you stated that you are a "beginning investigator."  If you're serious about getting answers and challenging the "conventional wisdom" in the paranormal community…here's a few experiments to consider:

1) High end sound equipment.  Yes, it's expensive.  Yet…one must consider the source of these EVP's…insanely bad and cheap audio recorders.  I seriously do not understand why more people aren't questioning this aspect.  Many people seem content on straining to hear "get out" or whatever and don't even care about the equipment. 

2) At least two pieces of audio equipment in the same room to verify these EVP's.  It's literally as simple as it sounds…but it's never done.  Why?  Because it doesn't work?  And if it doesn't work…then why?

3) And a nice little spin on the two pieces of audio equipment…go both digital and old school tape.  Why? Why not?  The history of EVP's began with tape.  Have the ghosts completely stopped communicating in that fashion?  Or is it just cheaper and easier to use digital?  If that is the case…well, not very scientific is it?  And just think about this experiment for a moment.  If you did find a voice on both audio and digital….the same voice, the same words…then it becomes interesting, doesn't it?  As a skeptic, I would take notice of something like that (as long as I could rule out obvious hoaxing…blah, blah, blah).

Hmmm…I guess it just depends on what paranormal investigators are going for.  If the intent is just television ratings…then keep doing the same things over and over.  If "amateur investigators" just want to have a little fun…as long as you have permission to investigate at the location, then have at it.  But if paranormal investigators really intend to break some new ground and maybe find a couple of answers…then they need to build from the ground up and design infinitely better experiments and techniques.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

2:51 pm
April 14, 2011


Eric

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Thanks Rev!  Noted on the recorders…I also have had formal audio training in that I had gone to Radio Guy School, and the equipment used at the time were the old reel to reel TEAC's…Very nice quality machines…so magnetic tape recordings are not strange to me  :)  Thanks for the tips!

 

 

9:22 pm
April 14, 2011


Learjet

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Actually some of the team do use what I would consider good audio equipment. The Zoom H4N is no piece of junk. But I don't think every team member uses one.

It wouldn't matter what they use anyway. You could give them broadcast quality equipment (which the invisible cameraman should have) and they would wind the volume all the way up into the noise and misinterpret what they hear. I never heard a voice in this episode. I heard sounds that was "voice like" but I think the origin was in the environment. When you wind up the mic gain or start looking at noise we all fall victims to audio pareidolia, something that "sounds like" a human voice but it isn't.

I'm still chasing that elusive night bird in the bush with my super sensitive mic. I have so much gain a simple drip of dew falling onto the shed roof sounds like a canon going off! In fact the whole audio environment becomes totally unfamiliar to me because it's completely out of proportion to what I normally hear. I swear I've hear what sounds like footsteps, doors opening and closing and voices. Some of them are pareidolia and some are the neighbours 100 metres down the road!

If you go into an investigation with the mindset that every bump is made by a ghost you will surely find some, except they will be ghosts of the living.

OD'd on EMF

5:33 pm
April 16, 2011


Buffy

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You mention a good point Learjet, in that why didn't they put the FLIR on the chain? They clearly have that piece of equipment with them and use it during investigations, but something like a chain mysteriously moving and is colder than the rest, doesn't warrant using something that can give us visual evidence of it's coldness? Once again, we are left to take their word for it because their what you call "experts." Maddie taking off down the stairs didn't really seem like much of a "take off" to me. She just seemed like a normal dog exploring her surroundings and caught a scent or whatever that took her downstairs at a normal pace. I've seen dogs take off after something and they moved a heck of a lot faster than that.

8:10 pm
April 16, 2011


Nosfer

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Post edited 8:11 pm – April 16, 2011 by Nosfer


Buffy said:

You mention a good point Learjet, in that why didn't they put the FLIR on the chain? They clearly have that piece of equipment with them and use it during investigations, …


 

That's why I added "…just cause I'm curious"  I was curious just how cold the chain really was, just like the flashlights they indicate are so cold, they've never pointed a thermal at them.  The only flashlight that had a thermal on it was the one on GHI at the Stanley, and it was QUITE warm relative to the rest of the objects and the bed upon which it was laying.

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7:35 pm
April 17, 2011


Buffy

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Sorry Nosfer for crediting Learjet with your curiosity. Smile I need to read more slowly.

If they continually claim that objects that have been touched by something paranormal has a different temperature than other objects in the room, then why not make a habit of putting the FLIR on the object to further that claim and gather the evidence? Why isn't that part of their standard procedure after all this time on the air and after so many investigations in which we hear, "yeah this object is so much colder than the one next to it, or this wall has a spot in which it feels so much warmer than another spot on the same wall"?  Or how about a thermometer to check the temperature of the room when they claim that it drops?  Ah well, I guess it's the same reason why they don't do all the other suggestions that are made on this site.  It might actually prove or disprove something if they did, but who wants a real scientific approach anyways. Wink

1:46 am
April 18, 2011


Learjet

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Buffy said:

…..but who wants a real scientific approach anyways. Wink


Me.

RE: The FLIR. I think Adam had it. See
here's another problem with all their little toys and with their
methodology. Like Ghost Adventures they use one or at the most two
devices at a time, as if using 3 or more is too taxing for their brain.
If you have recording/measuring instruments should they not all be used
at once? This one at a time business is rot.

Here's why. The
Bumblebee GMS spectrum analyzer Steve used SHOULD be used if they are
going to break out the K-II meter. A lot of K-II hits are in the GMS
bands from man made origin and this would help sort these out. But no.
They prefer to hunt blind.

They love to investigate without
knowing what they are doing. And they teach the viewing audience how to
make the same mistakes which is why all their fans run around with EMF
meters finding lots of "ghosts".

 

OD'd on EMF

8:00 am
April 21, 2011


Eric

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In regards to the gain and such with recorders, I am in agreement with you Learjet. 

I have gone to Walmart and purchased a run of the mill Digital Recorder and even though the sounds of car doors and motors are barely audible to my ears in my own house, the recorder is super sensitive, so I can hear THUDS and WHIRRS as though they are Class A ESP's. 

Since EVPs or ESPs by nature have to be jacked up so they are audible, certainly misinterpretation (audio matrixing?) is cause for concern.

 

 

 

8:29 am
April 21, 2011


Nosfer

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Eric said:

(audio matrixing?) 


 

Exactly right.  That was a term I was using over even on the TAPS board years ago (to no avail)  I was quite shocked (and pleased) when Grant finally suggested it once, maybe a year or two ago.  It was also the episode where they brought up sleep paralysis as a potential explanation for what a client was experiencing.  Needless to say I had to clean the ice cream off my carpet when I watched that episode, I was so surprised!

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