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10:30 am
March 29, 2011
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GH is off to Mackinac Island in the northern part of Michigan this week. This is another of those big places where there is a lot to investigate. So much so that our good friend KJ comes back to lend a hand. @#$%&*!
And Maddie is back as well. This might be interesting just to watch her reactions, or rather, simply her actions and whether or not they correspond to anything or are simply those of a dog wandering around another unfamiliar building.
They investigate Mission Point Resort (See Map) where there are claims of noises and whispers. Sound familiar? Additionally guests have seen their bedsheets tugged. Sound familiar? I'm betting this is another one of those awesome cases where the GH teams has that opportunity to spend the night where they are investigating, so that it's like the can continue investigating even after they get to their rooms.
How do you get to Mackinac Island? Well, there is an airstrip, and there are docks… You can't drive to the island (unless you get a good run at it) Steve IS on the investigation, though, so KJ is not his replacement for this investigation.
Some of the hauntings are attributed to a jilted student who heaved himself off the bluffs. Logically, then, his ghost has returned to haunt the rooms.
Part of the investigation takes part in the Theatre which, incidentally, is part of the attractions there and is billed as a Haunted Theatre. http://www.mackinacislandhaunt…..heatre.com I've got a bad feeling about this.
If you decide to check this place out, rest assured that you can sign up for ghost hunts and tours and dinners and anything else that they can slap the word "ghost" in front of: http://hauntsofmackinac.com
I may have said this before (only about a dozen times), but these guys really need to get back to their roots of investigating homes and "helping" people. These current episodes are showing them more and more to be simply an hour-long infomercial for each of these places that is already playing the ghost card.
Did you hear that?
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8:48 am
March 30, 2011
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You're right about a baaad feeling Nosfer.Why in heavens name would you investigate a place which bills itself as a haunted theatre and has wax figues in it? Stupid,stupid, stupid.I mean when they checked out the Moss Beach Distillery Jay and Grant were ticked cause of all the parlor tricks the new owner had installed,but it's okay to investigate a place like this????
Yes, you and everyone else including the Tapsters fans on their forum say they need to go back to their roots and do some of these family investigations of peoples homes.
There are plenty of places right where I live and throughout the country that have genuine hauntings.
Some of these places have had stories told about them for 50 or more years.
Geesch, even investigating the Mcpike Mansion in Alton ,Illinois ,or the Baker Hotel (abandoned) in Mineral Wells,Tx would be better than this. Waverly Hills which they have been to a couple of times would be better than this.
Helping families is what got them on the map. Maybe everyone needs to write Pilgrim and SYFY to tell them they're killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
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12:37 pm
March 30, 2011
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I recently started a trial of Netflix and have been watching a lot of episodes of Ghost Adventures. Its been mentioned previously on this Forum that Ghost Hunters seems to be promoting different locations and seemingly being an advertisement. That's one thing I don't pick up on with Ghost Adventures, so I have to give them a bit of credit. As hokey as these shows tend to be most of the time, I feel like Ghost Adventures has a bit more dedication to investigating actual haunted places rather than some cute seaside haunted village.
Like you said, the old days of home investigations and being particularly concerned about cases where children are involved are long gone. Now their show seems touristy.
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1:54 pm
March 30, 2011
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Yet they always leave by telling the person after the reveal, "If you ever need us…blah blah blah", shouldn't that be reserved for people who are actually scared in their own homes? Anyway I am sure thise whole episode will just be more of the same as usual. At least there is the dog factor to shake our heads over
Nosfer, on a side note, is there anyway you could put the date/time at the end of your preview. I tend to get these all these shows mixed up and often end up missing them because I forget. God forbid I miss a single minute of FoF
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1:57 pm
March 30, 2011
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Nosfer
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Skooter said:
God forbid I miss a single minute of FoF
Oh Heavens, we can't have that happening!  That's something I had done on a few in the past and really should start again, it comes in handy as a quick reference for when the show previously aired, too.
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2:03 pm
March 30, 2011
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Post edited 2:07 pm – March 30, 2011 by Skooter
Awesome thanks, wow the sig is wayyyy to big *mine not yours, had a giant picture there for a second
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2:05 pm
March 30, 2011
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Works great being in the title, def an easy reference.
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9:04 pm
March 30, 2011
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Skooter
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Wow the number of problems I had with that episode are off the charts
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7:50 am
March 31, 2011
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Soooo….Maddie is only there to check out High EMFs?
Does she sleep in the cargo van after the first segment?
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9:05 am
March 31, 2011
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She shows up for 6 minutes each episode so Jason can write the dog food off as a buisness expense.
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5:29 pm
March 31, 2011
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Woooooooooo! Never heard a ghost yell like that before!
I only caught the 2nd half so I can't comment on the first half
1. How many different places can the cameraman possibly be on the balcony without causing any creaks or problems. He was behind Amy, infront of her, to the left, to the right, at a diagnol, sitting, standing, I mean how many angles do they really need. If your investigating for ghosts, wouldn't you tell your cameraman to stay the hell still.
2. J&G are walking in a hallway with the loudest coats I have ever heard, again ruining any chance of hearing something.
3. They hear footsteps while they are walking…ok?…but then as they reach the staircase they show a light coming down from the floor below and it certainly appears that there was another cameraman down there or for some reason they left a couple lights on, again ruining all the evidence.
4. Can we really trust a light turning on? It certainly sounded like a flip of the switch on the wall rather then a switch on the light. There was also a slight delay in the light turning on, it was a small delay that usually doesn't happen on a lamp that you turn on with your hand.
I mean what a disaster, I am upset I missed the epic dog ghost hunting part of the episode.
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5:39 pm
March 31, 2011
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What you are hearing is a double-click and it makes it seem like a delay. This is typical of a lot of lamps I've seen in hotels. On the second part of the click, the light comes on instantly. You'll also hear a double click when Jason turns it off. It could even be one of those chain-switches where you pull it down to engage and release, those do a distinct double click. I've never heard a wall switch do that…a wall switch would either be soundless (a soft switch) or more plastic sounding than this. As for whether I trust it or not, I've seen enough from these guys to make me want a bit more proof.
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8:56 pm
March 31, 2011
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Ah ok, I don't have DVR so I only saw it once, just heard one click but that makes more sense. I have a remote wireless switch where I have a movable switch that stickies to the wall and on the other end is a plug in that I can plug anything into. It did look like that lamp was plugged in to the wall on the side but I don't think it was a direct line from the lamp to the wall. The device I own does kind of click twice so that is what made me think of it.
 
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2:34 am
April 1, 2011
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I only caught small parts of the show and then the reveal. Did they ever show a close-up of the lamp?
Also…what was up with the camera in Jason's room? That black and white, constantly auto-focusing effect gave it that "old time" feel. I half-expected a guy with a top hat and handle-bar mustache to come out, kidnap Jason, tie him to some railroad tracks and laugh a very evil laugh as he leaves before the train comes. How much money has this show generated and they still can't get decent night gear? Kind of absurd, isn't it?
Also…I'm still checking into a dog being able to detect EMF and how one would go about training a dog to do so. So far…I'm buying that as much as I do the "fear cage" concept…
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8:43 am
April 1, 2011
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No close of of the lamp, I guess its not important enough information but bringing the camera into the bathroom is. I only saw half the episode and there was a major problem with just about every scene. The reveal was also ridiculous, I don't buy that this is a true reveal where its the person first time hearing about what happened or seeing. Everytime there is an EVP they just happen to match what J&G thought it was with, oh thats a girl, or oh thats an old man with a top hot cigar about 6'5 and 210lbs. I think the reveals are now the worst part.
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9:11 am
April 1, 2011
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Revenant said:
I only caught small parts of the show and then the reveal. Did they ever show a close-up of the lamp?
Also…what was up with the camera in Jason's room?
Also…I'm still checking into a dog being able to detect EMF and how one would go about training a dog to do so. So far…I'm buying that as much as I do the "fear cage" concept…
Other than Cashtown (hmmm, coincidence in naming?) when have they EVER showed a close up
The auto-focusing was weird to me, the camera should have had enough light in there to be able to lock. We had the same problem at Racerock but I can write that one off as insufficient light to glom on to things that time. There should not have been an excuse for that here, Jason did not appear to be moving sufficiently to cause AF to hunt that much, either. I would have to look again at the position of the bed, it's possible that the spot focus was write at the top of the mattress and it was continually guessing between the foreground mattress side and the background headboard/pillow area. Possibly…in which case, so much for the technical know-how of the team 
I have had this problem with slow lenses (in a non-IR situation) that just cannot auto-focus because of low light, but I don't see that here. Shooting into branches causes a problem, sometimes, when the AF can't decide what to focus on, that is probably more the case in this situation.
EMF training. I don't for a minute believe that Jason has trained Maddie to detect EMF. But I wouldn't rule it out completely as impossible…but it would not be the field itself that would be the trigger cue, and it would only be in certain cases…cases where they themselves would probably be able to make a pretty reasonable guess that there was a field.
Electrical hum…and you mentioned smells (probably oils etc) associated with the machinery creating it in another thread. I think you also mentioned noise too and were probably thinking the hum? The problem with this, is that it would only be in some situations, very few in fact. The electrical hum (thinking powerline-hum here) would probably only be in a minority of cases. It's all academic anyway…as you said, why bring in a less reliable form of a detector they already carry. Other than to use Maddie as a tax write off and to attempt to boost ratings via the "awwwwww how cute" factor, that is.
I thought it interesting how right after her big moment they sent her out to the van or to Jason's room or who knows where. I can see a lot of wild goose chases resulting from having her there, but presumably she is at least reacting to _something_ whereas half the time I think the team is reacting to eye-floaters.
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9:30 am
April 1, 2011
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Not that Jason would think of this method, but, back to smells, could a dog be trained to detect ozone? I'd bet yes.
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9:37 am
April 1, 2011
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Just got around to watching the ep.
RE: Scooby and EMF, specifically 60 Hertz mains EMF. It may not be the actual electromagnetic fields that Scooby is sensing, rather a 60 Hertz buzz or vibration that is sometimes associated with electrical devices. For instance sometimes power transformers can buzz. Those older bedside clock radios sometimes do also.
In the bakery area the EM fields are so high they are being picked up through the camera. I can't quite tell if this an audible sound or actual EM intrusion into the video equipment.
RE: The speaker experiment. Steve in not the first person to try this trick. There is one weird theory (aren't they all?) that spooks hear and talk via EMF – that EVP's are actually EMF. The speaker being an electromechanical device, creates a small EM field as well as sound. So if the theory is to be believed, spooks should hear it.
On the other hand, Steve is using a Zoom H4N audio recorder. Zoom recorders use capacitor microphones. Capacitor microphones are deaf to EMF. If EVP's are actually EMF then Steve has just ruined half of the experiment. Whoops. Steve blunders yet again. He really has no idea what he's doing.
RE: The camera focus problem. It's not the camera, it's the drongo using it. Pretty much all cameras have a manual focus button. In situations like these, it's meant to be used. :-P
RE: The bedside lamp. Obviously the ghost likes the lights on! Ha ha! The high point of the whole episode. I want to believe it was paranormal, I really do. But the trust factor just isn't there with these guys.
I will say that if that was my investigation and I knew the light wasn't tampered with, that would be a biggie for me. I don't trust electronic switches, but that sounded like a good old mechanical one.
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9:39 am
April 1, 2011
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Nosfer beat me to the "hum" theory while I was typing. You gotta be quick around here!
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