| User | Post |
|
8:46 am
September 29, 2010
|
Nosfer
| | Rotaredom | |
| Moderator
| posts 2957 |
|
|
http://www.lempmansion.com/
Now, the first thing you might notice on this page (besides the glaring Ghost Hunters ad at the top-center) is the second link down on the left which simply says:
Paranormal Tours
These tours were going as early as the middle of May of this year, so I think it's a foregone conclusion about the results we'll see. There have apparently been three suicides within the Lemp family in just two generations and I'm sure that contributes to the activity.
Another blinky-light K2 session. More dark shadows in an already dark room. And more!
Question…TAPS cautions heavily against the use of a ouija board because of the possibility or opening the gates of hell or something like that. How is communication via a K2 any different? Does the K2 have a built-in filter? Pretty good for such a cheap piece of equipment!
|
Legal: The content of this post is copyrighted and is intended exclusively for use on skepticalviewer.com It may not be copied, distributed, or redisplayed on any other site without the express written consent of the author.
|
|
|
9:28 am
September 29, 2010
|
Revenant
| | Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage" | |
| Lead Investigator | posts 1393 |
|
|
Nosfer asked: "Question…TAPS cautions heavily against the use of a ouija board because of the possibility or opening the gates of hell or something like that. How is communication via a K2 any different? Does the K2 have a built-in filter? Pretty good for such a cheap piece of equipment!"
Being a Demonologist myself (and prove that I'm not…), it has been my experience that demons and such prefer a cardboard gateway as opposed to one of plastic and metal. There are several reasons why:
1) There is a theory out there that many demons own stock in the Milton Bradley gaming company. It's just bad for business to use another prop as a portal from hell.
2) Contrary to popular belief, demons are progressive thinkers. They change their ways according to the times. So, in essence, the demons have gone green. A cardboard game will break down much eaiser in a landfill as opposed to the plastic and the batteries in a flashlight. Hey…every little bit helps.
3) And really, the most important one….if Jason and Grant tell us that the flashlight is a much safer tool of facilitated communication with the spirit world and a cardboard game is dangerous….then we have no other option than to believe them. They know stuff. They know more than we do. We do not need any other reason than the parental favorite of "Because I said so…" That should be good enough for all of us, Mr. Skeptic. I don't even know why you're questioning it. Denier! Nay-Sayer! Dirty Disbeliever!
…
|
"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer
|
|
|
10:04 am
September 29, 2010
|
Learjet
| | Australia | |
| Lead Investigator | posts 1122 |
|
|
Well Jason and Grant are experts. Experts in BS.
A K-II session? Oh goodie. I can't wait to see the episode now. I can hardly contain myself. There hasn't been a good K-II session for ages. Wait, no don't tell me…. Grant is nearby, right?
|
|
|
|
|
10:04 am
September 29, 2010
|
Orion
| | The Mundane Plane | |
| Investigator | posts 105 |
|
|
ROFLMAO.
Do we "sticky" threads here? Because this one deserves it.
Just another example of people parrotting each other without a second (or first) thought, logic be damned.
The ever evil "Ouija" board.. courtesy of "The Exorcist".
|
Having an open mind is a two way street.
|
|
|
2:55 pm
September 29, 2010
|
hyacinth
| | |
| Investigator | posts 122 |
|
|
Didn't the Bam Brothers of Ghost Lab do the Lemp Mansion ?
|
|
|
6:05 pm
September 29, 2010
|
Nosfer
| | Rotaredom | |
| Moderator
| posts 2957 |
|
|
Looks like we have our animal ghosts that were brought up in another thread recently.
Okay, how does the light on the K2 flash that fast. The ghost would have to be stepping in range and back really fast and in a very good rhythm to do that I'd think. Lighting up solid, okay, I could believe that, but a steady blinking? Something tells me it's picking up a pretty good frequency that isn't necessarily a ghost.
|
Legal: The content of this post is copyrighted and is intended exclusively for use on skepticalviewer.com It may not be copied, distributed, or redisplayed on any other site without the express written consent of the author.
|
|
|
6:38 pm
September 29, 2010
|
kevin
| | Louisville | |
| Investigator | posts 54 |
|
|
Atlantis! Comet! B*llsh*t!
|
|
|
6:48 pm
September 29, 2010
|
Leslie
| | |
| Investigator | posts 157 |
|
|
No wonder nobody can find the lost city of Atlantis. Atlantis is the afterlife…you have to be dead to find it!!
|
|
|
10:28 pm
September 29, 2010
|
Revenant
| | Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage" | |
| Lead Investigator | posts 1393 |
|
|
There are times in my life where I just can't believe what I'm seeing. Sometimes its been a magic trick. Sometimes its the way people drive. There are plenty of video clips at break.com that I seriously don't get. Why would someone take a rope, hang a cinder block above their groin…and then cut the rope? I don't know. And tonight…the Lemp Mansion episode…
I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. Were Jason and Grant seriously trying to pull the "I'm saying a word…guess what it is" routine? Who is buying this?
And the best part? The absolute gold mine? Amy, during the review, says that she can't hear either "Atlantis" or "Comet." K.J. says that perhaps the whisper in Grant's ear was so soft that the recorders didn't pick it up. And then they just move on! Like that explained anything! How can they not be embarrassed by it? How can they not question them about it? I know, I know…you don't bite the hand that feeds you. But…in life, sometimes…you have to.
So, we don't even get a faked voice as in a recording from a phone or producer/camera man or even Grant doing a bit of ventriloquism. We get the "secret silent voice that only Grant can hear." Are you kidding me? I mean….seriously….are you kidding me?
I am not a member of the TAPS 18+ forum. Never even been to it. I never saw the point. But please, someone, anyone…tell me that they are outraged. Tell me that they are questioning this. Tell me that maybe, just maybe…that they're seeing these guys for what they are…
I'm sorry. I don't mean to rant. But…WOW! This has got to be right up there with the hanger toss and the collar-gate. Yeah, there's no physical evidence….but man….it's just so intrinsically stupid I can't even see how someone can even consider that as "real." Wow…
|
"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer
|
|
|
11:38 pm
September 29, 2010
|
Learjet
| | Australia | |
| Lead Investigator | posts 1122 |
|
|
Revenant said:
I am not a member of the TAPS 18+ forum. Never even been to it. I never saw the point. But please, someone, anyone…tell me that they are outraged. Tell me that they are questioning this. Tell me that maybe, just maybe…that they're seeing these guys for what they are…
Some are buying it, but not all of them…
Snips. Bits edited to shorten comments.
"I found it odd.. that all the sudden Jay wants to go in the other room.. Then Grant starts hearing words wispered in his ear, that Jay told the entity to say. Absolutely no evidence on the recorder. For all you know .. they could have planned it before the investigation. I dont want to think like that.. but .. its there."
" I think because they had no audio evidence, it was pretty thin ground to present to a client."
"As a skeptical investigator, I can tell you flat out, I don't buy it. I wouldn't buy it if members of my own team said it happened. Unlike a lot of stuff that I've seen, heard, and experienced that has been reflected on the show, that didn't feel remotely authentic to me."
" I've gotten to a point where I can tell by their expressions and reactions if they're being truthful (I've got two kids, lots of experience with the big-doe-eyed look). That just seemed really fake."
"the way it played out was not nearly controlled enough for me to be convinced."
|
|
|
|
|
12:09 am
September 30, 2010
|
Learjet
| | Australia | |
| Lead Investigator | posts 1122 |
|
|
I have to admit, I'm playing a variation of the word game myself.
"Once upon a time" there were three friends. One of my friends died a couple of years ago and I want to see if he can contact us using this method. I told my living friend to write a word down on a piece of paper at his home and not show or tell me what it is. In the meantime I'm trying to contact my dead friend during a lucid dream for him to tell me the word so I can confirm it to my living friend. Small hiccup to my plan is I don't have controlled lucid dreams as frequent as I used to so no luck so far.
Edit to add moar. I'm also doing yet another variation of the same word game with my sister. After all we have plenty of dead people to experiment with around here.
Obviously the key element with this experiment is trust. If you have implicit trust in all parties involved then fine. Obviously I'm just doing this for a personal experiment. It's not meant to be proof of the afterlife for anyone else.
By the same token, implicit trust in Jason and Grant is required for this experiment. And of course we all trust them *cough* *choke* *wheeze*. Otherwise it's just a "Stupid Word Game" (SWG).
|
|
|
|
|
1:39 am
September 30, 2010
|
Realdeal
| | Tx | |
| Investigator in Training | posts 15 |
|
|
We have the good old K-II scene with its obvious creative edits. Then we are treated to the latest scientific official TAPS ghost hunting technique "The ESP Trick" . Two investigators go into separate rooms, one investigator says a word and gets a ghost to relay the word telepathically (since Grant heard the word but it was not recorded} to the other investigator. Works every time. And they could give a @#$& if you believe it or not.
|
|
|
6:48 am
September 30, 2010
|
Orion
| | The Mundane Plane | |
| Investigator | posts 105 |
|
|
Honestly, I'm shocked that anyone on the TAPS18 forum is questioning anything.. and still has their membership. That is such a fanboy site, and they don't "tolerate" much.
I actually forced myself to watch a good deal of GH last night. I can barely make it through a whole ep though, it's too boring, but I managed 1 1/2 last night. How the hell do you people do it?
The last part I saw was where Grant was ready to gag over the smell.. but it seemed like Jason wasn't really smelling anything? I also thought it was … interesting.. that Grant characterized the smell as a cominbation of body odor and "decomposition". How many people have ever really smelled a decomposing body, and knows what putrifaction smells like? It seemed more like a logical made-up guess to me.
|
Having an open mind is a two way street.
|
|
|
6:53 am
September 30, 2010
|
Nosfer
| | Rotaredom | |
| Moderator
| posts 2957 |
|
|
Nothing wrong with trying this as an experiment. But as Learjet says, trust is imperative. Given what we've seen from them, I cannot trust anything that is not captured on equipment and seldom do I trust even that given the editing and manipulation we've seen in the past.
Grant said it was loud enough that the recorder should have captured it. It didn't. Therefore it is only a personal experience. TAPS is there to bring solid evidence to the client. There is no evidence that this actually happened other than taking their word for it. It should have been thrown out.
Rev, the actual gold mine was Amy's suggestion that Grant was psychic! Didn't they frown on such people in earlier investigations, at least, when the psychic was from another group anyway.
|
Legal: The content of this post is copyrighted and is intended exclusively for use on skepticalviewer.com It may not be copied, distributed, or redisplayed on any other site without the express written consent of the author.
|
|
|
10:20 am
September 30, 2010
|
Revenant
| | Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage" | |
| Lead Investigator | posts 1393 |
|
|
Ok…I've had time to calm down. I haven't been that revved up (no pun) since the spider…um, I mean ghost train on FoF.
Let me start by asking a question…what exactly are J&G stating about this "experiment?" If Jason is in another room and says a word…is he saying that a ghost hears this word, understands that Jason wants this ghost to communicate this word to Grant, the ghost then goes to Grant and whispers the word to Grant so that only Grant hears it and by the way, it is not picked up by a recorder.
Did I get that right? Is that the "experiment?"
|
"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer
|
|
|
10:27 am
September 30, 2010
|
Nosfer
| | Rotaredom | |
| Moderator
| posts 2957 |
|
|
It's pretty much a variation of the Pawtucket Brewery episode…or was that the Slater Mill? The one where Grant tells the child to go play a trick on Jason and then Jason feels his leg being pulled (pun intended)
Yes, from the way I understood it, that was the experiment, though I don't think there was explicit instruction to the ghost to make sure that it says it without being detected by the recording devices.
In such a setting there are so many flaws with the experiment as far as verifiability that the results cannot, with any seriousness, be accepted as evidence of anything.
|
Legal: The content of this post is copyrighted and is intended exclusively for use on skepticalviewer.com It may not be copied, distributed, or redisplayed on any other site without the express written consent of the author.
|
|
|
10:40 am
September 30, 2010
|
Revenant
| | Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage" | |
| Lead Investigator | posts 1393 |
|
|
Wow….just…wow. There are just so many things wrong with this "experiment" that I hardly know where to begin.
And the fact that no one challenges them or even questions them about it is a joke. Remember when Brian and Andy were around and would actually talk with J&G and discuss ideas and such. I guess those days are gone. My way or the highway (well..or GHI to be exact…)…
Oh, and a big thanks to Learjet for providing the TAPS forum quotes. Greatly appreciated, my friend. Always interesting to hear what the zealots…I mean fan-boys….I mean hard-cord believers…I mean fans have to say when weirdness hits the air waves.
|
"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer
|
|
|
2:50 pm
September 30, 2010
|
Nosfer
| | Rotaredom | |
| Moderator
| posts 2957 |
|
|
There weren't many opportunities in this episode but the few closeups I saw of people's faces showed some very dilated pupils telling me that those scenes, at least, WERE filmed in the dark. There were shots of Kris, Jason, and Grant that were close enough to determine pupil state and they were all quite large. Possibly a few the same with Britt and KJ, though they must not have been quite ready for their closeups.
Britt and KJ in their first investigatory scene…their EMF meter is reading a big 1.3mg! However, that is the TOTAL field strength. The strength with the power lines ignored, ie, removing any signal at 60hz is a big zero.
And according to Britt, 1.3mg is enough for you to not want to be in that room if you are sensitive. At least they recognized that the 1.3mg was man-made and not ghost…either that or this was just the time to use the EMF hypersensitivity angle rather than the EMF=paranormal angle.
|
Legal: The content of this post is copyrighted and is intended exclusively for use on skepticalviewer.com It may not be copied, distributed, or redisplayed on any other site without the express written consent of the author.
|
|
|
4:05 pm
September 30, 2010
|
Awaba
| | Awaba | |
| Investigator | posts 88 |
|
|
"Let’s not beat around the bush and get right to the headline ‘Ghost Hunters do a ‘stand up’ investigation of Lemp Mansion.’ Intriguing headline, no? Well, by ‘stand up’ I mean that while watching the investigation of Lemp Castle I found myself yelling at the television no less than 5 times “For Pete’s sake, STAND UP, MAN.” Apparently Jason Hawes has forgotten that although they do their investigations in complete darkness that we can still SEE him thanks to the night vision cameras. First he laid on a bed in the Charles Lemp room, then he laid on the bed in the Frederick Lemp room and then he went back to laying on the bed in the first room. He did so much laying around that it became contagious and Grant started laying around on beds as well. Honestly, I could barely contain my excitement at all that action and suspense. The drama of watching these two lie flat on their backs in one bed or another very nearly pushed me over the edge. With this episode added in, I think that Jason has now officially been in more beds than Susan Lucci has in her entire 80 year career of being on a soap opera."
http://www.masslive.com/television/index.ssf/2010/09/ghost_hunters_do_a_stand_up_in.html
|
|
|
|
Login 
Register 
The Forum [is where Ancient Roman skeptics hang out.]
Reply to Post
Quote and Reply 
Print this Post 
Topic RSS 
