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6:01 pm May 17, 2010
| Mollyscribbles
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Hi, everyone! I'm new to the forum, but love the approach you take to the shows. I love all these paranormal investigation shows in theory, but of the ones I've seen . . . well, it leaves me more of a skeptic than when I started. That, or makes me develop a theory that the ghosts hide out of spite.
I'll accept that, perhaps, I've just seen some sub-par episodes — I'll admit I've only seen a few — so I'm asking for recommendations.
Which episodes of Ghost Hunters do you consider to be the best? Not just in terms of results, but in their approach to the investigation — no turning off all the lights when the sighting was reported in a well-lit room or anything like that. Failing that, anything that comes with a good story attached — I'll be happy to simply relax and be entertained.
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10:46 am May 18, 2010
| darkeyes
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Howdy! I used to be a big GH fan, but they’ve pretty much sold out and are nothing more than an entertainment program now. Personally, my favorite episodes were while Donna was still with them, after she left I think the show’s integrity really took a downward plunge. But hey, I’m not saying don’t watch them. I enjoy Ghost Adventurers but don’t believe their evidence either. I just think they are fun to watch and don’t take themselves as seriously as GH.
So basically, in my opinion, as a guideline for the ‘good’ GH episodes I’d say watch any that Donna were in.
Oh, as a side note, I never really cared for any of the GH International episodes. No one on there ever seemed like they were having a good time, they were all rather stiff with little personality coming through. One of the best things about the early GH seasons was all the drama between the investigators.
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2:48 pm May 18, 2010
| Mollyscribbles
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Thanks! Any specific episodes that are worth checking out?
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2:50 pm May 18, 2010
| Revenant
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Mollyscribbles said: "Which episodes of Ghost Hunters do you consider to be the best? Not just in terms of results, but in their approach to the investigation…"
First, welcome to the site…
Hmmm…as for what you're asking…I'm not sure. What do I consider their "best" results? Well…none of it. In science, "evidence" denotes "fact"…something proven true. I have not seen anything on GH that has been proven true to any degree. Since they are issuing this "evidence" as truth, then it is upon them to prove its validity. They certainly do not take those kind of steps. They have shown themselves to lack integrity and trustworthiness. From that…one can hardly garner "truth" or facts…or "best" results.
And really, it's not up to us (at this website or any other website) to disprove anything that they do. It's just fun to do so. And perhaps, on some level, it's needed. A voice of reason must be heard through the cacophony of craziness, conjecture, and speculation.
As for "their approach to the investigation"…what is the "best?" Wow. Um…you may want to spend a little time just cruising through the website here and reading various threads. There, you shall find a common denominator in every single GH/GHI/GHA show…an insanely poor concept of scientific method. From their lack of knowledge of how to correctly use the FLIR to deeply flawed execution of EVP gathering to simply standing next to a giant block of ice and marvelling at the "cold spot" next to it and start speaking to it…wow…I just can't think of one of their experiments or evidence gathering techniques that I actually acknowledge as legitimate. Yeah…it's that bad…
But…in the "spirit" of the question…I would offer that lighthouse in Florida with the shadows in the spiral staircase. Someone here will be able to give you the exact name (I can't remember it right now). Anyway, at first blush, the show is pretty interesting. The evidence seems solid (no pun…that shadows can be solid…). But…watch the show closely. Watch for them not to debunk ANYTHING concerning the shadows. Not the relationship of themselves and their movement to the shadows, not trying to find or correlate any sort of light source to the appearance of the shadows…the whole thing…just a very weird lack of any sort of debunking at all by the TAPS team. Keep in mind, when this show aired…TAPS was still getting the "benefit of the doubt" from many people. Many, many things changed that. So, when one looks back upon that episode, you begin noticing things that you didn't notice the first time. It is my opinion that the shadows are real. And…the shadows are their own. So…they are literally chasing their own shadows. It always brings a smile to my face…
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10:57 am May 19, 2010
| blinddog
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Without a doubt the live episode of GH at the asylum/hospital (can't recall which one) that had the wrestler that got spooked and went running down the hallway screaming like a scared bitch.
Hilarious!
Zak's kitty cat attack in Savannah may be a close second.
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12:06 pm May 19, 2010
| Revenant
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BD50 said: "Zak's kitty cat attack in Savannah may be a close second."
Yeah, that was definitely "hawesome." I'm going to counter with the "spooky alien egg room" from Magnolia Lane Plantation. That was "hawesomer." And keep in mind, it also offered a ghostly light seen from a window in the same room. So you've got the "two-fer" with both aliens AND ghosts.
But…I'm just about to go "hawesomest" on you BD. Zak's possession at Preston Castle…that was "hawesomestish" on a whole new level. The sheer banality of it and the fact that it went on for what seemingly felt like forever…I've got to propel that episode into the GA "Best of" number one slot. That particular show's motto? "This stupidity goes to 11."
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1:47 pm May 20, 2010
| Mollyscribbles
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Ah. From what I saw, they've got a habit of going "OMG WHAT WAS THAT!" and then keeping the camera focused on the reaction rather than whatever it is that provoked a reaction. They listen to accounts of sightings and then do nothing to recreate the conditions of the sighting — if it's caused by a shadow in a well-lit room, you're not going to prove anything one way or the other if you do the investigation with all the lights off. And they'll say they're alone in a room when they're quite clearly being filmed by a person rather than a standing camera or something, which . . . really.
I suppose what I was trying to say was "What episodes make you want to throw things at the television the least?", but needed to gauge how polite I needed to be about it.
Most of the time, I'm left with the impression that, were I a ghost in the same room as them, I'd quietly leave and do my best not to set off any equipment; I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of showing up and scaring the crap out of them.
If it's intended as entertainment, they've missed their mark. It's certainly not entertaining me.
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2:47 am May 21, 2010
| Revenant
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Mollyscribbles asked: "I suppose what I was trying to say was "What episodes make you want to throw things at the television the least?"
Hmmm…well, if you don't wish to throw anything at the TV, then I would skip the entire paranormal category. I would suggest "Castle." Want something with a bit more grit? "Justified." Something funny? "Modern Family." And actually, I think "Eureka" might be starting up again. Hard to keep track of these six episode "micro-mini-seasons."
*sighs*…I guess if push comes to shove…I'd suggest "Destination: Truth," the first season. Some decent shows in that one. And at least it's usually funny.
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5:11 am May 21, 2010
| blinddog
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Rev, while we are comparing episodes, lest not we forget the Idaho State Prison showing by GA.
The prison shower scene where Aaron exclaimed, "Dude!! Something just grabbed my ass".
Oh! We can't leave out the harrowing trip up 'SNAKE' mountain also in the same episode.
Newton Minow, once vilified, now a proven visionary.
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1:39 pm May 21, 2010
| Mollyscribbles
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Heh, I'm already a fan of Castle. I watch Eureka, too, but have been getting annoyed at their habit of forgetting that some characters exist. I miss Taggart.
The shadows I'm just ignoring. Unless it's acting like it got seperated from Peter Pan, it's likely nothing more than the result of people walking around a building with flashlights and cameras as the only light source. Walking through your own house with a flashlight during a blackout can result in some creepy shadows jumping out; it doesn't mean your house is haunted.
Watching the Preston Castle ep of Ghost Adventures now, and it's hilarious. They're blaming minor scratches that are barely visible on the ghosts. At least it's better than Ghost Hunters, in that they actually give the place a proper once-over in daylight and generally come across as less pretentious.
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4:48 pm May 22, 2010
| Learjet
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Apart from the latest season, I've watched pretty much every episode of GH from day 1. The first couple of seasons were believable at the time, but then came the EMF meters and the string which left any credibility after that on permanent leave.
The only things I'm still pondering over are some of the EVP's. Can't remember which episodes specifically now. But EVP's are about the only thing that other freelance groups have had some success with also IMO.
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6:49 am June 2, 2010
| thetalkingmongoose
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They've been faking since the get-go, so choosing episodes based on investigative techniques is a fool's errand, which leaves the old "but I just watch Ghosthunters for the entertainment value" claim, which only works if you enjoy watching people act really stupid while doing next to nothing. As it happens, I kind of do, so I strongly suggest choosing episodes based on whether Brian Harnois is in them or not. Not that everyone else doesn't act equally stupid – it's just that Brian has a certain joie de vivre that makes watching it much less excruciating. To that end – the second episode of the first season (Mishler Theater and Railroad Museum in Altoona) is stellar for Brian in night-vision goggles expounding upon "zero lux." At the New Bedford Armory (also first season) he tries to explain what a Geiger counter is (plus Frank di Angelo gets knocked down by something – one of the only episodes I still sort of believe). Of course, there's the infamous Eastern State Penitentiary ep, which has the bonus of Brian Harnois dragging back Brian Bell from a bar across to the street to work (B.B. claims he had to wash his hands of slug slime).
Otherwise, um…there's not much to recommend. It's all too fake and too dull. It's entertaining in the way a scab is. I think you'd be better off reading a book. Ian Wilson's In Search of Ghosts is much more fun.
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11:33 pm June 2, 2010
| JM
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thetalkingmongoose said:
They've been faking since the get-go, so choosing episodes based on investigative techniques is a fool's errand, which leaves the old "but I just watch Ghosthunters for the entertainment value" claim, which only works if you enjoy watching people act really stupid while doing next to nothing. As it happens, I kind of do, so I strongly suggest choosing episodes based on whether Brian Harnois is in them or not. Not that everyone else doesn't act equally stupid – it's just that Brian has a certain joie de vivre that makes watching it much less excruciating. To that end – the second episode of the first season (Mishler Theater and Railroad Museum in Altoona) is stellar for Brian in night-vision goggles expounding upon "zero lux." At the New Bedford Armory (also first season) he tries to explain what a Geiger counter is (plus Frank di Angelo gets knocked down by something – one of the only episodes I still sort of believe). Of course, there's the infamous Eastern State Penitentiary ep, which has the bonus of Brian Harnois dragging back Brian Bell from a bar across to the street to work (B.B. claims he had to wash his hands of slug slime).
Otherwise, um…there's not much to recommend. It's all too fake and too dull. It's entertaining in the way a scab is. I think you'd be better off reading a book. Ian Wilson's In Search of Ghosts is much more fun.
I personally put the point where they started faking evidence at Race Rock…..not that any of the episodes previous had any real _scientific_ merit, but being naive and lummox-like is better than being deceptive.
I'd recommend the New Bedford Armory ep…if only because it's the only major evidence-yielding ep that I can't really debunk. Not that I think it's proof ov teh GHOSTSIS or anything, but it's a puzzler to look at, even if you approach it from a "how did this happen naturally?" angle.
And yes, getting rid of Harnois was the biggest mistake they ever made. Sure everyone hated him, but having a scapegoat, a villain, a doofus, a Curly, a Kramer, an Archie Bunker…is vital to any show, "reality" or not. There's just no tension without him in the mix, and then all we're left to look at is….*groan* the 'evidence'.
Which nowadays seems to bore both the skeptic and the believer viewers, honestly–I occasionally wander over into the TAPS forum no-man's-land–they seem just as bored with it as we are, just in a different…'special' way. : )
I also miss Andy Andrews…annoying, yes, but fun to watch as he geeked out like a nerd at his first anime convention everytime spooky stuff happened. Now it's just Jason, Grant, and a rather forgettable team of red shirts.
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3:21 pm September 20, 2010
| Dreamsinger
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I think the staging of evidence has been going on since the first episode. Chappel on the SciFi message board pointed out that you could hear a whispered "now" cue. For the longest time I couldn't hear it. But once I got rid of my $5 headphones and bought some decent ones, I too could hear it. A few years ago, Brenda, the homeowner, was on a form (ghosthuntersplayground I believe) and she was telling that at first she didn't believe it was her daughter, but later, after some harrassment she received and after listening to it again, she too believes it was her daughter. Especially the "Can I come in" EVP.
They should have never got rid of Gilligan… er, Brian. He was better comic relief, and brought way more enthusiasm to their Spook Hunts than anyone who has followed. Andy was alright, but at first bothered me a bit. Once I got use to him, he was okay, and I prefer him over the Stango duo.
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3:26 pm September 20, 2010
| Nosfer
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Brenda was also here at SV:
http://www.skepticalviewer.com/2008/09/08/gh-101-altoona-home/
And briefly she was on the TAPS board back when I was a member there, too.
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3:53 pm September 20, 2010
| Dreamsinger
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Nosfer said:
Brenda was also here at SV:
http://www.skepticalviewer.com/2008/09/08/gh-101-altoona-home/
And briefly she was on the TAPS board back when I was a member there, too.
Looks like she got a different tale about the EVPs here then there. She still has the same sentiment about TAPS and her story sounds the same, with the exception of the EVPs.
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