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8:16 am
June 16, 2009


The Doctor

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http://jointhehunt.scifi.com/tutorials  Heads up, hunters: On June 22, 2009, we'll be moving features like Haunted or Not, the Interactive Tutorials and more to the official Ghost Hunters site, making it a one-stop shop for all your paranormal needs and TAPS updates.

As a result, the Join the Hunt network site will be discontinued on that date."

If you haven't read them before, this may be your last chance to read his "tutorials" and wonder at the total lack of understanding of the equipment that Techmangler Steve provides.  

I especially enjoyed this quote from his tutorial on using the EMF detector -

"electrical outlets, which leak power into their surroundings, can discharge an energy burst that can be picked up by an EMF detector."

9:39 am
June 16, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

I know it sounds silly the way he worded it, but he's actually not far off the mark with that comment.

Of course any comment he made that was even remotely close to the truth would be purely by accident in his case. Foot in mouth

OD'd on EMF

9:41 am
June 16, 2009


Mary

Pondering what you're pondering

Investigator

posts 147

The Doctor said:

"electrical outlets, which leak power into their surroundings, can discharge an energy burst that can be picked up by an EMF detector."


Dang.  I wondered why my electricity bill was always so high.   This explains so very many things. 

"Quando omni flunkus moritati" ("When all else fails, play dead") – Possum Lodge motto. Jason and Grant should adopt it as their own.

3:16 pm
June 16, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Wonder why our Techmangler didn't point out that Brandy's high EMF field at the Spaulding Inn could have been simply an electrical outlet discharging a burst of energy towards her ?

3:36 pm
June 16, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Because…. the only EMF allowed at the SInn, <— acronym, is from ghosts. Friendly ghosts. In fact the friendly ghosts are part of the staff. They help you get the best night's sleep ever, unless you want to hunt them in which case they play along to give you the bestest ghost hunt ever.

High EMF from electrical wiring or appliances is not allowed as it will cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, blindness, loss of sanity, frothing at the mouth, convulsions and death.

OD'd on EMF

4:00 pm
June 16, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

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posts 99

Learjet said:

Because…. the only EMF allowed at the SInn, <— acronym, is from ghosts. Friendly ghosts. In fact the friendly ghosts are part of the staff. They help you get the best night's sleep ever, unless you want to hunt them in which case they play along to give you the bestest ghost hunt ever.

High EMF from electrical wiring or appliances is not allowed as it will cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, blindness, loss of sanity, frothing at the mouth, convulsions and death.


You forgot: If your high EMF lasts for more than four hours, please seek medical help.

Hee hee hee! "Get her!" That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.

7:20 pm
June 16, 2009


Mugs

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posts 30

The Doctor said:

http://jointhehunt.scifi.com/tutorials  Heads up, hunters: On June 22, 2009, we'll be moving features like Haunted or Not, the Interactive Tutorials and more to the official Ghost Hunters site, making it a one-stop shop for all your paranormal needs and TAPS updates.

As a result, the Join the Hunt network site will be discontinued on that date."

If you haven't read them before, this may be your last chance to read his "tutorials" and wonder at the total lack of understanding of the equipment that Techmangler Steve provides.  

I especially enjoyed this quote from his tutorial on using the EMF detector -

"electrical outlets, which leak power into their surroundings, can discharge an energy burst that can be picked up by an EMF detector."


I perused the site for the first time today, after reading the 'tutorials' done by the bumbling Techmangler Steve and seeing the sidebar note that the site is closing I thought of SK….I was going to post about same noting as you have that this may be the last chance you'll have to read these prized tutorials. Tongue out They say they'll be moved to the official GH site but who knows if it will happen or if they'll be revised before doing so. 

I've spent considerable time [off/on] over the past 18 mos or so doing research on thermography in general and how a thermal imaging camera [TIC] works – capabilities & limitations, type of user adjustable settings/modes they have and how each affects the image, how anomalies [false positives] are created, how to obtain a quality image with accurate temp readings, and so on – perusing forums where certified thermographers meet and looking at hundreds of thermograms etc, in addition to reading a substantial amount of literature [articles, blogs, FAQ's, help sections, newsletters etc] at many different sites….all in effort to educate myself, to increase my knowledge/understanding of same. 

It just so happened I was doing more research today when I stumbled upon the site; with the key words I'd used the bumbling TM's tutorial had appeared in the list of sites that came up.

Saying his tutorial on the TIC is a joke would be kind, along with making unsubstantiated claims about spirit energy he not only provides false and misleading information regarding TICs but neglects to note: 'key' if not critical info regarding settings/modes; importance of the user fully understanding 'emissivity' before using the cam; how to determine RAT [reflective apparent temp]; basics and importance of FO-R-D [focus, range, distance] and so on.  That it takes 'considerable time' to learn how to obtain quality temp accurate images [in varied environments/scenarios] and how to interpret/analyze the data……at the very least you should take a course to become 'Level I certified' [though some companies will only allow Level II or Level III certified thermographers do on-site diagnostic work and/or post analyses of images].

I'm not even a thermographer yet I shuttered while reading his tutorial, I can only imagine what a certified thermographer would think.  Sad thing is, some of the diehards that are still willing to simply 'take TAPS' word for it', that trust them and believe they're the end all be all of PN investigators, thought it was the greatest thing [as with the other 5 he'd done]…..greatful to Steve for having shared his knowledge and wisdom with them. Sealed 

I'll step off my soap box now, and end with saying if nothing else they can perused for a little amusement – or used for kindling [tis bonfire season] if you print them out. Laughing  

7:35 pm
June 16, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Welcome Mugs!  Thanks for your comments.  I think you have echoed the sentiments of many of us on this site on various matters on your very first post when you said:

"Sad thing is, some of the diehards that are still willing to simply 'take TAPS' word for it', that trust them and believe they're the end all be all of PN investigators, thought it was the greatest thing [as with the other 5 he'd done]…..greatful to Steve for having shared his knowledge and wisdom with them. Sealed 

I'll step off my soap box now, and end with saying if nothing else they can perused for a little amusement – or used for kindling [tis bonfire season] if you print them out. Laughing"

Welll done!  Smile  Enjoy the site and please come back soon.  The next season of GHI starts, per their commercials, either July 8th or July 10th depending on which Sci Fi/SyFy commercial you choose.   Either way, GH starts in August.  I guarantee you it's going to be a bumpy ride!

2:26 am
June 17, 2009


Mugs

Investigator

posts 30

Thanks alicat Smile I've already attached a seat-belt with shoulder strap to our couch – fell off the dern thing again and again while watching the first half of S5, but now I'm ready for maximum turbulence, so bring it on I say! Tongue out

Got a glimpse of a locale that we [apparently] should be seeing on GH upon its return.  Stumbled across this site while searching for any team/individual that had conducted an investigation at the SInn in past [after J/G announced they were buying the place with Jay claiming it's haunted], opted to check a few of them again recently to see if any suddenly had info about the SInn and/or were now making claims that they'd investigated there before [geez that sucks you know, now that I think about it, thanks to the shennanigans and tomfoolery and bogusness etc of GH/TAPS I've become suspicious of everyone it seems, especially if they're affliated with TAPS]….and though I haven't seen anything as yet I did find this post:

New Hampshire PN grp had [according to them] passed the case onto Ghost Hunters [as the gal put it in her post, odd she didn't say passed the case to TAPS], a private res they investigated last yr apparently [no info on the site about that investigation] – in Hopkinton NH – I'm guessing the NHP believed it was/is haunted or has legit PNA of some sort otherwise why would they 'pass the case' to GH/TAPS? 

She also notes that the house is now up for sale and gives contact info etc for those who might be interested in it.  Wonder if the owners are telling perspective buyers [or buyer if it sold already] that the house is haunted – IF that's what TAPS' conclusion was?  NHP is a TAPS family team [no surprise there lol], if TAPS concluded not H and no PNA – debunking some of their claims in their so-called debunking way – after NHP told the owners otherwise and/or told TAPS they believe it has activity or is haunted….to me that would raise questions about NHP's investigative abilities, provided TAPS' debunking had some validity to it. Simply stating an alternate explanation [especially one that in/of itself is questionable, such as their ever popular 'hypersensitivity' jargon: noted when it suits TAPS' needs] without providing evidence of same or at least it having a high plausibility factor, is IMO no different than claiming something is PN or inexplicable w/o having 'credible' evidence to support same and/or w/o all possible causes being conclusively ruled out.

She's added some photos from the EP shoot, NHP had joined TAPS for the investigation so will be appearing in the EP…..my $$ says they'd taken more photos but either can't show them until after the EP airs or at all lol…no one has commented as yet [posted May 22] but she may have locked the thread so no discussion takes place till after the air date?  She says it should air in June or July but GH isn't returning until August, maybe it'll be in the first EP or two done upon return.  IDK why but the house looks really familiar to me, I feel like I've seen it before but can't think of where, perhaps it's just a common style of home and is similiar to one of the homes TAPS had done in an earlier season?  Any rate, have a look:

http://www.newhampshireparanormal.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&t=980

11:24 am
June 17, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Learjet said:

I know it sounds silly the way he worded it, but he's actually not far off the mark with that comment.

Of course any comment he made that was even remotely close to the truth would be purely by accident in his case. Foot in mouth


I could be wrong, but I doubt if the miniscule leakage to ground from a socket without an electrical problem would be detected on his meter. If the socket were passing current then a magnetic field would be created and could possibly be measured.

I wonder if TM Steve understands house wiring ?

In some wiring configurations, current could be flowing internally through a socket that is not currently being used, the load being connected to another socket or fixture at a different location. 

For example – If a socket near Brandy's location at the SPIN (Spalding Inn) were wired through to a bathroom ceiling fixture on a lower floor, it is possible that someone turning on that light could create a higher EMF reading near her for a temporary period.

Steve identifies this poorly as a burst or discharge without any understanding of what the cause might be, and it becomes paranormal.

BTW – anyone know if the camera/sound men would have occasion to plug their spare battery packs into any nearby outlet to top them off  if they were going to be at a stationary location for a bit, like the girls doing EVP sessions ?

11:58 am
June 17, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Just to expand on my last  thought – a cameraman plugging in a empty battery pack could result in a sudden spike, followed by a slow dropoff in current draw and resulting EMF as the pack charges.

Wonder if this fits any of the "burst" and "discharges" Steve is reporting ?

8:42 pm
June 17, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

The Doctor said:

Just to expand on my last  thought – a cameraman plugging in a empty battery pack could result in a sudden spike, followed by a slow dropoff in current draw and resulting EMF as the pack charges.

Wonder if this fits any of the "burst" and "discharges" Steve is reporting ?


I'd say that was the spike that Brandy reported. You can see in this vidcap they had chargers plugged into the wall in front of her at the time and she was also sitting right next to a heater. I can't tell if the heater was on or not but the chargers probably were. Very poor performance of Brandy, to the point it almost seems deliberate.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3366/brandyemf3.jpg

Yes I agree on the earlier comment that something needs to be plugged in to the socket and turned on to set off most cheap EMF meters. Like I mentioned, Steve worded it badly.

With more sensitive equipment like mine though, I can detect fluctuations in power usage from household appliances without being near a power point. Then there are bursts of higher frequency harmonics. These are the ones that really tick me off as they interfere with "shortwave" radio communication.

OD'd on EMF

9:20 pm
June 17, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

 I can't tell if the heater was on or not but the chargers probably were. Very poor performance of Brandy, to the point it almost seems deliberate.


Nice catch on the charger – there is a longer shot some frames before looking through the doorway, but I can't identify the gear plugged in – sure dosen't look like any regular consumer item tho …

Curious about the heater – seems to be a steam radiator – how would that create emf ?

2:13 am
June 18, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

I thought it might be an oil convection heater. There's a power outlet that it appears to be plugged into near Brandy's head in the vidcap. The heating element would draw several hundred watts creating lots of EMF. One with thermostat control would result in interesting EMF hits.

OD'd on EMF

5:52 am
June 18, 2009


Mary

Pondering what you're pondering

Investigator

posts 147

Those old-timey steam radiators might be good for creating misty apparitions.  They might even make hissing noises, which TAPS could claim to be other-worldly voices.  Wink

"Quando omni flunkus moritati" ("When all else fails, play dead") – Possum Lodge motto. Jason and Grant should adopt it as their own.

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