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6:46 pm December 17, 2008
| T.A.Sharps
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Simple question. Are we just an isolated group of dissolutioned viewers, or is it spreading?
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" Your reality Sir is lies and balderdash and I am delighted to say I have no grasp of it whatsoever!"
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8:33 pm December 17, 2008
| ChicagoLad
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While we are vastly outnumbered by true believers our numbers are growing at a steady if not exponential rate (thank you collargate!).
Maybe the admins could shed a bit of light on this with some simple site analytics?
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9:25 pm December 17, 2008
| Stephen
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About 500-800 people visit SV daily, depending on the day of the week. (Technically, we get 500-800 visits daily). This peaked at CollarGate at around 2000.
So tell your friends about us. The more the merrier.
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9:10 am December 18, 2008
| Oubliette
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Is there a banner or whatever it is called that people can put on their websites to link to SK? I'd put it on my MySpace and there may be other skeptic/paranormal magazines or websites that might do it also.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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11:49 am December 18, 2008
| Queen of the Nerds
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I'm sure that with each episode of GH more viewers are taking off their rose-colored glasses and questioning a little more.
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If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.
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2:38 pm December 18, 2008
| Sovolis
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Oubliette said:
Is there a banner or whatever it is called that people can put on their websites to link to SK? I'd put it on my MySpace and there may be other skeptic/paranormal magazines or websites that might do it also.
I think that is an excellent idea. I would also post a banner on my myspace page.
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Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. ~Thomas Jefferson
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1:36 pm December 20, 2008
| Wallydraigle
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In my own experience, the surest way to jumpstart a forum is to leech members away from a more successful forum. It's cheap and dirty, but it's the law of the jungle and it's worked for the last 3.5 billion years or so.
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9:53 pm December 24, 2008
| Dedicated_Dad
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Stephen said:
About 500-800 people visit SV daily, depending on the day of the week. (Technically, we get 500-800 visits daily). This peaked at CollarGate at around 2000. …
Are those unique IP addresses?
/curious (and ok if noyb is the response)…
DD
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1:25 pm December 27, 2008
| Stephen
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I really like the MySpace banner idea. I'm not on MySpace– what are the typical dimensions of such banners?
We can indeed "leech" people from more successful forums– just so long as we only get the good people. I like the quality of the people we've got here. :)
DD: I think those are sessions, not necessarily unique IPs. These are Google analytics numbers, and I'm not clear on how they handle things. I just look at the pretty graphs
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7:55 pm December 27, 2008
| Wallydraigle
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I don't know what kind of hosting you guys have, but if you have CPanel or something similar you probably have a statistics program that will give you the number of unique visitors. The one I have is AWStats, which does a good job.
Again this is just my own personal experience, but early in the life of a forum you want any and all posters you can get. We've all seen boards which get maybe one or two posts a week, usually someone asking a question which never gets answered. They're just sad places. Boards seem to have a sort of critical mass which is necessary for survival. If you can get fifty different people to take a look each and every day then the board will probably succeed. Once the board is thriving, then you can start culling the weak and undesirable, but until then anything is better than nothing. Sign up multiple accounts and have conversations with yourself if that's what it takes. If there aren't new posts every day, then readers aren't going to check out the boards every day, and without readers there are no posters. It's a viscious cycle which you have to break.
A tried and true way of leeching members from a successful board is by adopting a martryr. Forum goers love martyrs. You can usually find one if you don't feel like making one. Maybe the mods are picking on a well-liked member of a large forum. If you can get them to start posting on your forum you're most of the way there already. People ask whatever happened to Martyr, and find out that they're at Skepticalviewer now. You get a rep as that "other" board. If you're really lucky the mods of big board will try to put an embargo on you. Then you've got the Adam and Eve effect working in your favor. Your board is now this forbidden fruit which everyone wants to check out. A lot of mods are dumb enough to try this, too. They'll say something bad about your board, or start deleting sig links, or whatever. Before you know it there are 120 people checking out your site at the same time. Give em a good show and some will come back. Of course if you're really good, you can do things to make all this play out the way you want. Use your imagination.
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9:49 am December 29, 2008
| Camile
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Wallydraigle said:
Again this is just my own personal experience, but early in the life of a forum you want any and all posters you can get. We've all seen boards which get maybe one or two posts a week, usually someone asking a question which never gets answered. They're just sad places. Boards seem to have a sort of critical mass which is necessary for survival. If you can get fifty different people to take a look each and every day then the board will probably succeed. Once the board is thriving, then you can start culling the weak and undesirable, but until then anything is better than nothing. Sign up multiple accounts and have conversations with yourself if that's what it takes. If there aren't new posts every day, then readers aren't going to check out the boards every day, and without readers there are no posters. It's a viscious cycle which you have to break.
A tried and true way of leeching members from a successful board is by adopting a martryr. Forum goers love martyrs. You can usually find one if you don't feel like making one. Maybe the mods are picking on a well-liked member of a large forum. If you can get them to start posting on your forum you're most of the way there already. People ask whatever happened to Martyr, and find out that they're at Skepticalviewer now. You get a rep as that "other" board. If you're really lucky the mods of big board will try to put an embargo on you. Then you've got the Adam and Eve effect working in your favor. Your board is now this forbidden fruit which everyone wants to check out. A lot of mods are dumb enough to try this, too. They'll say something bad about your board, or start deleting sig links, or whatever. Before you know it there are 120 people checking out your site at the same time. Give em a good show and some will come back. Of course if you're really good, you can do things to make all this play out the way you want. Use your imagination.
The ideas that Wallydraigle proposes would be very effective- however, one of the things I like most about this forum and the way the discussions go is that there is such low drama. I love the intelligent exchange of ideas that happens here and I would be much less likely to check in regularly and subscribe to topics if I knew that such high drama was not only encouraged but sought after. I'd choose quality posts over quantity any day of the week- of course, YMMV. :)
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9:59 am December 29, 2008
| Sovolis
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Stephen said:
I really like the MySpace banner idea. I'm not on MySpace– what are the typical dimensions of such banners?
As far as a banner goes I think it would be much more effective to advertise the pod cast rather than the message board. Message boards ingeneral seem to be a fringe element within the internet that only people with a hardline or zelous stance or opinion subscribe to. Pod casts on the other hand take no effort at all on the listeners part and seem to be much more popular. Advertise the pod cast in a banner with a link to the site and a percentage of the people that checkout the pod cast will stick around and post on the message board.
Another thing you could do that would get free and easy advertisement for the pod cast and message board is simply making a Skeptical Viewer myspace page. Those of us with myspace accounts can request to be friends and you will get a bit of exposure that way as well.
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Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. ~Thomas Jefferson
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11:19 am December 29, 2008
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I have to agree with camile on the 'quality vs quanity' issue. I enjoy this board because of the posters. I'm not really a believer in ghosts, spirits, bigfoot, (although I do hold out hope for UFO/aliens ). However, I enjoy reading differring opinions from seemingly intelligent people.
We've already been visited by some from other boards that tried to bring their drama, as camile rightfully called it, here. However, I think the slow, steady growth of this site has been its making. People have to be very interested in this topic and really search to find this site. That has kept most the kids away.
I've only been around since shortly after GH's Live Halloween '07. I don't really recall who was already here, but it seems we've picked up some quality posters like FORMERGHFAN, Oubliette, Harry, Wes, Dr Venkman, and others (that I'm forgetting because I'm typing this list off the top of my head which is always a dangerous thing to do because you inevitably forget deserving people……..but I digress), since then.
I'm certainly not against growth. Logisti and Stephan have done a great job here and made it a must read for anyone who's serious – skeptic or not – about these topics. I'd just like to see it continue to grow with quality.
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12:50 pm December 29, 2008
| SkepticalRader
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CrowTRobot, I couldn't agree with you more. Like you, I was drawn to this message board and appreciate the intelligent and divergent opinions of the posters.
I'm probably more skeptical than the next guy (I don't even believe in UFOs or aliens) but I didn't use to be that way. I used to believe in a lot of things until I saw a psychic investigation program in the late seventies or early eighties with James Randi, where he exposed a charlatan who claimed to have special powers. This program opened my eyes to critical thinking and literally changed my life.
Over the years I have become more of a hard-core skeptic. But thanks to my wife, I try to keep an open mind about all things. She too is a skeptic, but she pointed out that there is such a thing as being TOO skeptical. She dislikes James Randi for the very reason I love him. I remain on the skeptical side but I try to allow that there may be things even science and reason can't explain.
Although I have never really had any paranormal experiences, I know too many, credible, people who have. I do believe that there are things that cannot be explained, deja vu being one of them, but I also believe that not everything HAS to have an explanation. We will never truly know how the humin brain works so how can we expect to understand or explain the mysteries of the universe?
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4:23 pm January 30, 2009
| TheLunatikFringe
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I know this is an old post, but I thought what the heck, I'll post to it anyway. I found this site through Google while researching Mr. Wilsons jacket tugging faux pas during the HW special. I can actually point to the site that directed me here, it's called TheQuijaboard.wordpress.com. It just had this site mentioned (linked with a here) in one of its posts.
I haven't spent too much time on your site, although the posts that I have read seem to point towards a different type of forum poster, enough to get me onto the register page. I'm a huge skeptic, from ghosts/bigfoot/ufo's to a thin Oprah….it's extremely difficult convincing me of anything. I just wish I knew about this place months ago.
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Why be difficult when with a little effort, you can be impossible?
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2:42 am January 31, 2009
| Stephen
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Welcome, TheLunatikFringe!
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Stephen the Friendly Skeptic
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8:56 pm February 1, 2009
| Liz M
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I used to love watching all the ghost hunting shows. Then they started to get on my nerves. MH because it was all the same stuff in a different place. I really enjoyed GH in the first season. Then they started doing things that got on my nerves (and I'm not even talking about hoaxing). GHI I only watch because they are in foreign countries (and this season I think they are just grasping at straws, you'd think by going to places with hundreds of years more history they'd be more likely to find a ghost). GA is fun to watch and has an interesting take on things, but really not all that great (muscle-bound guys screaming like girls when seeing shadows is a bit disturbing). PS is just, well… I never took it seriously (I really couldn't believe college students had that much experience). And then after GH live '08 and the collargate scandal, I found this site (can't remember how).
But I'm not alone. I always talk with a friend at work about all of these shows. We both want to believe and have had varying levels of experience. But we're disenchanted with all of them. He's not much of an internet person, but I've told him of the theories and discussions we've had here. Even his son (13 or so) doesn't believe the bs that's being presented on these shows.
As for trying to get more people… I like the fact that the discussions here are balanced, polite and intelligent. This board seems to find new people and they all seem to be of a similar mindset. I'm reminded of the Field of Dreams mantra – "if you build it they will come". (hey, that was about ghosts, too!)
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