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12:00 am October 13, 2009
| Stephen
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According to this article, the Ghost Hunters will be visiting Samuel Clemens' Victorian home in Hartford, Connecticut. It's now the Mark Twain House & Museum, so I have little doubt that TAPS will work hard to find it haunted.
In this case, I'm rooting with them. Sam Clemens was known for his skepticism. I have no doubt that, ironically, if anything could bring someone back from the grave, the idea of Jay and Grant running around in his home claiming to be able to detect him with blinking bits of gimcrackery would do so. Of course, being a man known for his twisted sense of humor, Clemens/Twain would carefully appear just out of reach of their cameras, just to keep them tantilized.
In other words, it'll be a normal Ghost Hunters episode. Oh well.
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4:03 am October 13, 2009
| Revenant
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So many to choose from…but…
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." ~ Mark Twain on TAPS.
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6:10 am October 13, 2009
| alicat
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Thanks Stephen.
Interesting that the "original" article, picked up from the CT paper, is different than what the Indiana paper quoted. Talk about freedom of the press! You can see the original article, complete with a picture of the duo, here. Check out the last 4-5 paragraphs one of which is edited and the others not even included. I think those paragraphs alone tell the story as to why GH/TAPS went to yet another commercial location. Sorry, I think we all know what that means.
Red flags:
Grant says "We can't touch anything".
"And seeing a trend, the Mark Twain House & Museum is opening its doors this month to point out the spooky doings for a series of special “Graveyard Shift” nighttime tours."
"New management meant an opening for investigators."
"Twain officials say they hope any interest they get from ghost hunters on their Friday-night tours might spill out into general interest into the Twain House; studies have found that most local people have visited once, usually back in grade school, but haven't found a reason to return."
"Then came the most famous amateur investigators, in another all-night investigation late last month." yet then the article says "Because the show usually spends two weeks in each place, the ghost hunters spent a week at the Mark Twain House with some after-hours investigations this past week at Hartford's Old State House." First they say "all-night" then "two weeks in each place" and then "spent a week"? Huh?
"But staffers also stayed around all night to assist them."? Interesting the original article ended this sentence with "and to keep an eye out".
The article also states they are from Westerly, RI. Okay. How do we tell a reporter that obviously has never seen the show, read the PR or even looked at the website, that in every opening of every show, we see a photo of the Warwick water tower and their offices in Warwick, RI which is an hour away from Westerly? By the way, Hartford is less than 2 hours away from Warwick.
I have one question, where is Andy? I think we may need that hairdryer for the cigar smoke in the pool room.
And, Is it a bad sign for the place when Grant says "“I'm more interested in the history of the place than paranormal activity”?
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7:17 am October 13, 2009
| Oubliette
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@alicat–that article is unintentionally funny. You've brought up some good points and I'd like to comment/add on this poorly researched article.
"New management meant an opening for investigators. First the Smoking Gun Research Agency of Stratford came up for an all-night investigation that stopped short of saying the place was haunted but concluded it was "energetically active."
"Energetically active"? Never heard it put quite that way before. Stopped short? Guess that's the equivalent of J & G's "You do seem to have some paranormal activity going on here but it's not enough to say the place is haunted".
"This is gorgeous. He lived in style here," "Ghost Hunter" Grant Wilson said when opening the front door to the house last week, cameras capturing the moment.
No s—!
"This place is incredible," agreed Jason Hawes.
I would love to have a dollar for every time Jason has said that over the years.
Together, the two began the Atlantic Paranormal Society in their spare time in Westerly, R.I., where they were Roto Rooter men. Since the TV show started following their activities five years ago, they have done less and less plumbing and more investigating spooky sites, hoping to disprove and provide explanations for unexplainable things they are called to look into.
First sentence–not true, as you pointed out. Not just the Westerly part but also that Grant was not the co-founder. And it would be more correct to say they haven't done ANY plumbing for the last 4-5 years.
"We can't touch anything," Grant says.
Here we go again. Remember that historic house in NYC? Kind of hard to investigate when you can't so much as put a finger on a piece of furniture. 
"I'm more interested in the history of the place than paranormal activity," Wilson says.
I can't believe he actually said that.
Twain officials say they hope any interest they get from ghost hunters on their Friday-night tours might spill out into general interest into the Twain House; studies have found that most local people have visited once, usually back in grade school, but haven't found a reason to return.
At least they are being honest as to why they're having GH there. Bump up the tourist traffic $$$.
If nothing else, proof that GH is being called in more to help increase revenue than to try and prove a place to to be "energetically active". This one outta be fun.
Twain was an extremely witty guy, as Stephen point out. IF his ghost is around, he's going to have great fun with this bunch.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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7:43 am October 13, 2009
| alicat
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I agree with your comments Oubliette.
I have to say I couldn't figure out exactly what the Smoking Gun Research Agency was getting at either but then I realized they were leaving the door open for others since they were the first to be allowed in to investigate.
EDIT: Interestingly, the Smoking Gun Research Agency claims they have been subject to hacking and their website is currently unavailable. Hmmm….
"This was, after all, an august literary landmark, not some spooky spectacle" as the article stated. Hmmm…. what happened to change all that? Could it be "studies have found that most local people have visited once, usually back in grade school, but haven't found a reason to return."? Could it be ?
I've always had a problem with the fact that Grant states he's a co-founder. How exactly do you become a co-founder 2 years after Jason claims he founded the group (originally called RIPS) and specifically states he is the "founder"? Was it just because they changed the names? If so, wasn't that many years afterwards? I guess if you say it enough, people will believe it, much the way they do with their investigations.
Plumbing the last 5 years? Please don't get me started on that again! lol
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7:47 am October 13, 2009
| Nosfer
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Founder…Co-Founder. My first question would be just what exactly did Jason do in those first 2 years? Was it an organization of one? I think it may say in the book but gosh if I haven't had the desire yet to read that lol
More interested in the history than the paranormal. That sounds like one of Grant's typical diversion tactics…where he plays down the chances of anything happening or acts like he's not interested so that when something DOES happen, he can say he was surprised and that it was unexpected. Redirection, if you will, to use a magician's term. Okay, maybe it's not a magician's term, but you get the idea!
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7:50 am October 13, 2009
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Nosfer,
From what I remember someone saying, he was operating with a few investigators from a 2 bedroom apartment and connected with Grant because he was a computer tech who was doing websites for others.
P.S. I didn't want to read it either.
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11:08 am October 13, 2009
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Umm … when the show airs, are we supposed to comment here, or in the one or two new threads that will be started or wait for the blank "review coming soon" place holder to be put up in a day or two ?
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11:09 am October 13, 2009
| Nosfer
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The Doctor said:
Umm … when the show airs, are we supposed to comment here, or in the one or two new threads that will be started or wait for the blank "review coming soon" place holder to be put up in a day or two ?
Yes :)
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3:12 pm October 13, 2009
| phillyk48
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I hate to admit this, but I broke down a while back and bought J&G's book. It says in there that when Jay was 20, after being exposed to the technique of "Reiki", he started seeing things, mists, lights, see-through animals, full-body human apparitions. After this was when he started "RIPS", the Rhode Island Paranormal Society, which started out as a support group. Eventually the group (doesnt say how many members it had) started ghost hunting with a couple of cameras and a tape recorder. Eventually Jay says he got a call from someone who had seen the RIPS website and said he could improve it. This person turned out to be Grant and after they discussed their experiences, etc, they decided to hunt the paranormal their own way and formed TAPS. So I guess Grant IS a co-founder, at least according to the book. So who knows why in the beginning of the TAPS website, it doesnt list him as such. 
From the book:
"Grant and I insisted on a more rational approach. Before we would ever say a place was home to a supernatural entity, we needed to have proof. It was a significant departure. And it was on that basis that we founded T.A.P.S.—both of us, because the idea was as much Grant's as mine."
Yeah….right…like they're really "rational" anymore…
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8:09 pm October 13, 2009
| The Doctor
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phillyk48 said:
After this was when he started "RIPS", the Rhode Island Paranormal Society, which started out as a support group.
Interesting that here it is claimed that Brian founded RIPS -
"This veteran ghost-hunter has gained expertise throughout his home state of Rhode Island, first as founder of The Rhode Island Paranormal Society and then as a member of TAPS."
http://www.univcon.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38:
distinguished-speaker-brian-harnois&catid=2:list-of-speakers-presenters&Itemid=5
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8:30 pm October 13, 2009
| Learjet
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No wonder Brain and J have issues that go way back…
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5:06 pm December 2, 2009
| Nosfer
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Nosfer said:
The Doctor said:
Umm … when the show airs, are we supposed to comment here, or in the one or two new threads that will be started or wait for the blank "review coming soon" place holder to be put up in a day or two ?
Yes
Bumping to bring this to the forefront since it already exists….
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11:36 pm December 2, 2009
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Jason and Grant with the FLIR image on the window…should be nominated as one of the top ten worst attempts to debunk something on the show.
"We tried everything" exclaimed Grant. Really? You mean except for Jason standing on the stair when he captured the image? So…J&G supposedly spent all kinds of time trying to debunk something when Jason isn't even the proper position to start with? Brilliant…
So if not for Dustin, would we have been stuck with the tried and true "Well, we really don't know what it is but it could be paranormal." A few months later…it becomes paranormal. A year or so…it becomes one of the most "scariest" episodes shown next Halloween…
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6:44 am December 3, 2009
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Nice place, no activity, brought to you as an outreach for your tourism dollars. Did they see anything at all that was reported? No. Did the picture the guy showed look even remotely like two figures in the window? No. If this had been any other older house, they wouldn't have even considered investigating it let alone film it for this show.
Dustin's comment to Brit about the place smelling like a haunted house? I'm sure the curator was thrilled to hear that Dustin.
I will give them this, at least the not missing Steve and Tango comment was funny.
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11:41 am December 3, 2009
| StanTheMan
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Same old, same old. This show has become predictable. The number of "what was that" incidents perfectly matches the number of commercial breaks. J&G have a "did you hear (see, feel, etc) that" moment almost immediately. Whenever Britt is around he uses his incredible peripheral vision to see things. The plumbing opening was a bit different – Kris on the road while the boys were cleaning the office toilet.
Am I the only one who found the dead hard drive too convenient. There were a number of shadows seen near where cameras were placed. If nothing was found on those camera it would be easier to say the hard drive died then to admit nothing was caught.
Another wasted hour of my life gone although the location was interesting and being less than 100 mile away I may visit it – not for the spirits but the history.
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1:57 pm December 3, 2009
| Orion
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I wonder if they edited the article, or if this one is different (the original link no longer works)?
http://www.courant.com/entertainment/tv/hc-ghost-hunters-mark-twain-house-1202,0,5172971.story
Nosfer, it's "misdirection". ;-)
Loved Pari's "smells like a haunted house" faux pas. Then again, it's gotta be hard to watch what you're saying all the time. God knows what I'd blurt out.
J.H. : "Steve and Dave who?"…. I might make that my new signature! lol
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2:50 pm December 3, 2009
| alicat
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Orion,
The article you linked is an updated and abbreviated version of the press article I posted on October 13. As I said then and now, they were looking for press and this newer article was to remind everyone the investigation was being televised last night. The article Stephen linked was picked up by the press and, as you can see, I posted the key elements they edited from Stephen's article in my post.
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1:42 pm December 5, 2009
| alicat
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Looks like Dustin had some quick 'splaining to do after the comment I mentioned above regarding the place smelling like a haunted house. From his Twitter page today:
"For those who've asked regarding Twain episode- A Haunted house smells a little musty, w/ a whiff of cigar smoke & flowers to cover up death about 21 hours ago from web"
And the location has now turned into another profit making opportunity…..
"Looking fwd to lecturing at the Mark Twain house in CT on Dec16th with John Zaffis- tix and info about 19 hours ago from web"
and the beat goes on ……
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