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10:33 am
December 8, 2009


The Doctor

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According to this article – http://www.mcguire.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123174774

Ineresting that we see that they used a crew of 17, this is more then I had imagined they would bring on a shoot.

But what of the ghosts ? The Hindenburg crashed next to it's intended mooring mast, about 1/2 mile from  "Hanger 1".  Any residual ghosts should be acting out the scene in an open field.

GH investigated the hanger, but only bodies were brought there. The Hindenburg landed in NJ ten times, and only occasionally was brought into the hanger.  The passengers and flight crew embarked in the open.

There are reports of injured beng brought to the base dispenary ( now the clinic ) , but many are listed as dying in nearby Paul Kimball Hospital or others in NY and NJ.

" Fortunately, only one man from the ground crew died at the hospital, Allen O. Hagaman, 51, of Lakehurst."   From –
http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/082802/18829-1.shtml

Lets see if they try their EVP's in German.

1:25 pm
December 8, 2009


alicat

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Thanks for the information Doc.  Interesting that I go through this area quite frequently to visit friends who live minutes away and none of us heard anything about this.  There is an article which I found in the NLHS November newsletter on page 4.

http://www.nlhs.com/newsletter/09-nov.pdf

Apparently there was another New Jersey investigation @ December 3-5.  Not exactly sure where they were but as soon as something pops up, I'll post it.

4:10 pm
December 8, 2009


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alicat said:

Apparently there was another New Jersey investigation @ December 3-5. 


Are they filming next year already ?    The casting call for GHA/GHI was not that long ago, so I don't think they would have gotten them going yet.  Is there even anything official on GHA being renewed ?

4:40 pm
December 8, 2009


alicat

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Looks like they just landed at PHL about an hour ago as I write this.  Still have no idea where they investigated but definitely in South Jersey.  Only a hour from airport to location?  Somewhere in the near vicinity of Orion, Oubliette or myself.

Nothing in the trades about the GHA renewal but if they are casting, they were renewed.  By the way, here's the payoff for GHA:

"Ghost Hunters Academy features a group of aspiring ghost hunters exploring some of the most haunted locations in the country and around the world. Led by veteran ghost hunters Steve Gonsalves and Dave Tango, the students train, hands on, in the paranormal arts. The new recruits venture outside conventional classroom walls tackling new paranormal hotspots as well as favorite old haunts from Ghost Hunters including Fort Mifflin (Pennsylvania), Eastern State Penitentiary (Pennsylvania), and St. Augustine Lighthouse (Florida). By passing the course, students can graduate into investigating on Ghost Hunters or Ghost Hunters International."

New Jersey investigation Tweets:

Per Grant's Twitter:  Investigating in Jersey. from TwitterRide

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Per Jason's Twitter:  Chillen in New Jersey. Darn rain is making me feel tired. Pretty cool case were on 2nite.Hope you all enjoy the show 2nite. Mark Twain house

This rain is brutal tonight.Hard rain can really contaminate an investigation. Makes it so you can't hear anything going on except the rain!

Well 2nite is gonna suck.lol. Investigated last night till late. up since 5am with a fever And investigating tonight as well. Should be fun.

Still feel like crap. Cameras are set up and were ready 2 investigate.Prob is that It's only 6pm? Wow it gets dark early this time of year.

Sitting in Philly airport waiting 2 catch plane. Can't wait to get home to the family.Love Philly but the Airport I can deal without.lol

Getting ready to board plane out of Rhode Island bound for Philly.Still says on time,come on US air, actually be on time for a first please!

Landed in Philly. Now for hour car ride to location. And then video chat with kids. from Tweetie

5:46 pm
December 9, 2009


The Doctor

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alicat said:

 By the way, here's the payoff for GHA:

By passing the course, students can graduate into investigating on Ghost Hunters or Ghost Hunters International."


I think the key word here is  can -

We only have two episodes left for them to fullfill the expectation of exploring "around the world", and I don't see that actually happening.

The twitter info seems to say they were doing a two night investigation – One has to wonder are they boiling it down in editing to make it seem like it was one, or are they taking the hint from GHA ?

5:54 pm
December 9, 2009


alicat

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I'm going to have to look into tonight's (12/9) episode in Willow Grove, PA.  Not sure when that was taped but Willow Grove is about an hour or so away.  Would be interesting if that was a 2 night investigation although I can't imagine an "American Legion" would require 2 nights.

3:43 pm
December 16, 2009


alicat

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Here is the promo for the Season Finale which airs tonight, 12/16/09.

For additional information on the Hindenburg:  http://www.nlhs.com/hindenburg.htm

1:49 am
December 17, 2009


Revenant

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Now…I might be just a simple caveman…but something caught my eye during this episode…

Remember when Jason and Grant were marveling at the "shadow person" that they were tracking in the hanger?  I believe Jason even exclaimed that it was looking over the railing at them.  Ok…yet…they were also showing wide-shots using the FLIR.  And nothing was showing up.

We have five options concerning these "shadow people."

A)  They are hotter than room temperature. 

No unusual heat signatures were picked up by the FLIR.

B) They are room temperature.

The hanger seemed to consist of metal, wood, glass, and probably plaster.  All of these surfaces were registering different heat signatures on the FLIR.  If something was exactly at room temperature, then it would still show up on the FLIR since it would contrast the other materials.

C) They are colder than room temperature.

No unusual cold images were detected using the FLIR.

D)  They are magical and mystical and do not conform to the laws of physics.

Great…

E)  They are tricks of light and misconception by the viewer.

Can't have a shadow without a solid object being in the way of a light source.  And that solid object has to have a temperature. 

Anyone else care to chime in on these "shadow people" and why nothing was seen using the FLIR?

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:11 am
December 17, 2009


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The Doctor said:

But what of the ghosts ? The Hindenburg crashed next to it's intended mooring mast, about 1/2 mile from  "Hanger 1".  Any residual ghosts should be acting out the scene in an open field.

GH investigated the hanger, but only bodies were brought there. The Hindenburg landed in NJ ten times, and only occasionally was brought into the hanger. 


Not unlike the Remington Arms site, this place could be haunted by mere association.

After I blew all the orbs off of my copy of Led Zeppelin 1 and played it backwards, at times I swear I could make out the phrase "Ohhhh the humanity".

7:14 am
December 17, 2009


alicat

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Revenant said:

Now…I might be just a simple caveman…but something caught my eye during this episode…

Anyone else care to chime in on these "shadow people" and why nothing was seen using the FLIR?


Revenant,

I'm specifically going with D and E here.  Being a simple cavewoman, I saw absolutely nothing myself and I kept looking and looking and looking.

Had a phone call from a friend who lives down the street from Lakehurst and who watches GH.  He just kept laughing.

7:49 am
December 17, 2009


Nosfer

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Well one must also consider that shadow can be a very generic term and applied to some darkish entity that may not be solid. What I mean is that it does not necessarily have to be generated by the blocking of light. If so, but neglecting the idea of how they see something dark in the dark, if it is a dark vaporous "thing", the FLIR would not register it regardless of it's temperature. At least not that particular camera.

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7:56 am
December 17, 2009


blinddog

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All of ya'll are not following the Ghost Hunters line of thinking.
After all this time too.

Example: Titanic.
Were would be the location of the possibility of finding ghosts from the sinking of the Titanic.

a: Bottom of the Atlantic at the ships' location. NO.
b: Surface of the ocean where the ship went down. NO.
c: Graveyard in Canada where many victims are buried. NO.
d: Atlanta GA. next to an artificial iceberg. YES.

Looking for Hindenburg ghosts at Hanger 1 is like the old joke, "the light is better over here".

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

8:00 am
December 17, 2009


Nosfer

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At least with the Hindenburg we have a reasonable distance and a reasonable amount of time. If the ghosts are "active", ie this is not a "residual" the hanger isn't too out of the question.

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9:03 am
December 17, 2009


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Nosfer said: "Well one must also consider that shadow can be a very generic term and applied to some darkish entity that may not be solid. What I mean is that it does not necessarily have to be generated by the blocking of light. If so, but neglecting the idea of how they see something dark in the dark, if it is a dark vaporous "thing", the FLIR would not register it regardless of it's temperature. At least not that particular camera."

This is not necessarily true.  There are models of FLIR that are used for gas detection.  In the GF-series, gas shows up as smoke on the screen.  If GH is maintaining that these "shadow people" are not actual shadows (areas absent of light) cast by solid "ghostly objects" but vaporous beings themselves, then I do not see why they wouldn't use this specific model of FLIR.

And really, this wouldn't be only for shadow people.  Appariations as well are often described as vaporous.  If these reports are to be taken at face-value, then having the ability to detect gaseous masses might come in handy…

Here's the link for the FLIR GF-series:

http://www.flir.com/thermography/APAC/en/content/?id=13950 

Also, do we know what exact model of FLIR that they are using?

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9:17 am
December 17, 2009


Nosfer

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This is not necessarily true. There are models of FLIR that are used for gas detection.

Yes, you're right, there most certainly are…that's why I mentioned that that particular camera didn't. Actually I haven't looked to see if they've changed models (doesn't appear they have on the surface) but the model they were using earlier is not one that would detect vapors unless the particulate matter was very high.

then I do not see why they wouldn't use this specific model of FLIR.

I don't, either, but we're talking GH here lol

I don't think there has been any consensus on what exactly a shadow person is. It sounds like a term used for any dark entity, ie something not glowing like ghosts are often thought of to do.

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9:42 am
December 17, 2009


Revenant

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Nosfer said: "I don't think there has been any consensus on what exactly a shadow person is. It sounds like a term used for any dark entity, ie something not glowing like ghosts are often thought of to do."

Agreed.  From what is described from the paranormal TV shows, it seems that "shadow people" are completely different from "ghosts."  If both are proven to exist, which is a monumentally huge "IF," then I would have to imagine that the science behind each of them would be radically different.

I haven't been looking very much at paranormal investigatory websites lately.  Does anyone know if their prevailing belief is that shadow people and ghosts are  different or that they are interchangeable?

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11:48 am
December 17, 2009


The Doctor

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Revenant said:

Nosfer said: "I don't think there has been any consensus on what exactly a shadow person is. It sounds like a term used for any dark entity, ie something not glowing like ghosts are often thought of to do."

Agreed.  From what is described from the paranormal TV shows, it seems that "shadow people" are completely different from "ghosts."  If both are proven to exist, which is a monumentally huge "IF," then I would have to imagine that the science behind each of them would be radically different.

I haven't been looking very much at paranormal investigatory websites lately.  Does anyone know if their prevailing belief is that shadow people and ghosts are  different or that they are interchangeable?


Here's what Grant thought on the subject back in 2002 -

http://web.archive.org/web/20020606091835/the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/arthaunted/gve1.htm

"Typical Non-Human Spirit Activity:
- whispering Voices – black shadowy figures "

12:05 pm
December 17, 2009


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Ah, and we know what an authority Grant is on this. I like the definites with which he speaks…as if these are known, undisputed facts.

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9:36 pm
December 17, 2009


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Nosfer said:

Ah, and we know what an authority Grant is on this. I like the definites with which he speaks…as if these are known, undisputed facts.


I find those questionable and many absurd, perhaps you could post a link to the thoughts of who you might consider an authority on the subject ?  

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