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4:57 pm
October 14, 2009


tinytim

Investigator in Training

posts 20

Seems to me that the Ghost Hunters TV series claim to try and debunk ghost activity, yet on many episodes they seem to try and prove the existence of ghosts.  And on most of there episodes now, they seem to count anything and everything as a possible ghost or paranormal event.  And they also seem to claim they see shadows, and aparitions that no one else sees but them.  I don't buy it Ghost Hunters.  Can't you come up with something better than that to get ratings.  Also, I have seen a Ghost before, I know they exist, but to actually capture a Haunting twice in the same place is next to impossible, and we don't need fakery to explain it.  Sorry Ghost Hunters, but your debunking and fakery don't fool me.

5:04 pm
October 14, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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posts 2957

but to actually capture a Haunting twice in the same place is next to impossible, and we don't need fakery to explain it.

I'm not sure I follow this one…what makes you say that it would be next to impossible?

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5:10 pm
October 14, 2009


tinytim

Investigator in Training

posts 20

Sorry about the unexplained comment.  I say that because the Ghost I saw was in a building that I use to frequent many times.  I saw the Ghost only once the entire time I had visited the building.  So, I say this from experience.  I am sure the Ghost probably hung around a few times or many, but I only encountered it once.  that is not to say that others may have seen something paranormal there besides me, they may have, but from my experience i say to have more than one encounter or one haunting in the same place more than once would be very rare.

5:23 pm
October 14, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

I guess what I don't get here scaryharry is why you refer to Ghost Hunters as "they" and then you end it with "Sorry Ghost Hunters, but your debunking and fakery don't fool me." as if you might think this is their site.  You do understand this is a skeptical site, right?  Or, am I just misunderstanding your post?

Also, can you please expound on your statement "I have seen a Ghost before, I know they exist".

Thanks.

5:32 pm
October 14, 2009


Angelayo1970

Sysematically breaking all my new year's resolutions

Investigator

posts 162

And actually I have to take exception with the statement "but to actually capture a Haunting twice in the same place is next to impossible…". I think, generally speaking, that most so-called "haunted" places report the same types of phenomena happening over and over again. This is why they are deemed "haunted".

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

5:42 pm
October 14, 2009


tinytim

Investigator in Training

posts 20

I am a skeptic.  I don't believe that a lot of what the Ghost Hunters put on the episodes is real.  On the other hand there are a few things that may be real.  I say may be real, because i wasn't there and how do I know a string or some kind of Houdini trick wasn't at play or fakery of the camera, I am no photo or film expert so I can't say on that..  No, I don't believe everything on the shows is real, but because I have seen, I say some of the stuff may be real.  And if this is a place for skeptics and you say I am not, why do you call yourself an investigator.  Do, you mean a skeptical investigator.  As far as a Haunting goes, I can't say that I was in an actual haunting and as far as the real meaning of the word Haunting, I never really looked at the definition, and like I said, I was in the building many times after, and never saw it again. I have my own theories. I don't think anyone really knows for sure what a Haunting is or a Ghost is.  I mean have you actually set down with a Ghost and had a talk with him or her to find out.  I've heard so many stories about Ghosts and paranormal activity, that no one can say for sure what is actually going on.  So, can I say the place is Haunted.  Don't know!  But, I did not see it more than once, so I am only going by fact on my part.  As far as the "Sorry Ghost Hunters" comment, well you never know who is watching! How about "Sorry Skeptics"  Do Ghosts exist?  Well, I'm not sure, but just maybe!

7:04 pm
October 14, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

I think I know where you are coming from ScaryHarry. For instance some places the the GH crew investigate may have only 2 or 3 sightings over a 10 year period, but when GH come along ghosts are jumping out of every corner during a night's investigation.

OD'd on EMF

6:57 am
October 15, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2957

Learjet said:

I think I know where you are coming from ScaryHarry. For instance some places the the GH crew investigate may have only 2 or 3 sightings over a 10 year period, but when GH come along ghosts are jumping out of every corner during a night's investigation.


Of course now we're talking sightings vs GH sightings. The latter being a completely different phenomenon, largely associated with cues and scripts :)

I still don't see it, though, you probably have no less a chance (or probably greater) of capturing something in a place where there was a legit sighting than if you set up in a random location.

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10:48 am
October 15, 2009


Nosfer

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@scaryharry: Could you elaborate more on the ghost sighting. Form, duration, aspects etc?

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10:57 am
October 15, 2009


captainsteve

Investigator in Training

posts 13

I'm wondering if the show should be called "Noise Hunters" or maybe "Door Closing, Ill Feeling Hunters"?

That seems to sum up most of their episodes.

3:46 pm
October 15, 2009


tinytim

Investigator in Training

posts 20

@scaryharry: Could you elaborate more on the ghost sighting. Form, duration, aspects etc?   Which Ghost sighting are you refering to?  The one I had or on a Ghost Hunter episode.

3:47 pm
October 15, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2957

scaryharry said:

@scaryharry: Could you elaborate more on the ghost sighting. Form, duration, aspects etc?   Which Ghost sighting are you refering to?  The one I had or on a Ghost Hunter episode.


Uh, the one _you_ had; I doubt you could add too much to ones that we've seen on TV :)

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4:17 pm
October 15, 2009


tinytim

Investigator in Training

posts 20

"Uh" If I told you I doubt you would believe me!   And you may believe me as far as what i saw, but you probably would think that what i saw was something other than Casper himself! After all, this is a Skeptical Reviewer forum!

4:20 pm
October 15, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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posts 2957

scaryharry said:

If I told you I doubt you would believe me!  After all, this is a Skeptical Reviewer forum!


Skeptical does not mean disbeliever. Skeptical means that one examines the evidence before making a decision. Now, if you're not going to give us any evidence….

Many here HAVE had their own experiences, so this is not a site of deniers. I'd be interested in hearing about what you saw as far as what it looked like, what it was doing, etc,

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4:26 pm
October 15, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

Moderator

posts 857

I'm getting my empty 8 x 10 ready.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

4:35 pm
October 15, 2009


tinytim

Investigator in Training

posts 20

Well, I can't present any evidence, because the evidence is gone.  As far as the Ghostly encounter goes the form looked like a cloudy mist in the form of a human, I mean it was a mist, but could be seen.  You could tell it was a ghost, basically.  It was in an old church building next to a grave yard and it happened in mid afternoon.  It also floated above the ground and was moving back and forth.  I could just say it was a mist with nothing exceptional to it or non human like if it wasn't for a few characteristics about it.  At first encounter inside the church building there were a lot of dirt and leaves on the floor, because all the windows were gone.  It was basically all open, easy to view.  All the leaves on the floor of the building started spinning inside the building.  I mean they just lifted off the ground and started spinning around, then the apparition appeared.  We ran outside, beause we were scared.  We saw the apparition from outside, it floated across the windows, back and forth.  It then stopped and stared at us, that is when we took off running.

4:45 pm
October 15, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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posts 2957

Thanks for the description, an interesting encounter…I'm guessing this took place when you were in your teens?

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4:55 pm
October 15, 2009


tinytim

Investigator in Training

posts 20

How did you guess!  Yea it happened when I was younger!  Actually me and my brother both saw it.  It can be colaborated.  All i can say is it was weird.  It really isn't unusual, other people told me they had encounters on the same road that the church house was located on.  In fact a good friend of mine who lived down the road from the church house saw an apparition on his back porch that looked similar to my encounter.  And the road where i had the encounter had a famous battle fought there from the revolutionary war.  Probably a lot of people killed on that road.  A few murders took place there.  So, as far as the definition of a haunting goes, I guess you could say that area may be a haunted area.  And the grave yard had a lot of those soldiers (militia) buried there as well as some indians.

5:01 pm
October 15, 2009


Nosfer

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So then the likelihood of repeat sightings seems fairly good in that area.

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