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GH in a post-collargate world

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3:56 pm
January 12, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

Investigator

posts 99

I've been pondering this lately and wanted to get other people's thoughts on this topic. Here's the situation as I see it. The collar tug incident has been exposed for what it was: a badly executed hoax.

Will it affect the content of future shows?

I'll chime in with my two cents later…

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4:48 pm
January 12, 2009


Bobarino

Valencia, CA

Investigator

posts 181

I for one think the show will progress exactly as it did.  They will change nothing.

As a viewer who was "turned" due to that episode being the final straw, I will still watch but for different reasons.  Before it was always to see what they would find and to see if they could catch any evidence.  Now it is to see if I can figure out how they pulled off the latest trickery. 

I've found that being AWESOME is a full time job…

5:04 pm
January 12, 2009


Jacqui

Investigator in Training

posts 14

I don't see them changing things. As long as people on internet forums enjoy talking about the show,whether it's in a positive or negative light, the show would continue to do well. And now, with DVRs in so many households, people who might have just turned the channel before will record the show even though it's no longer their first choice of programs to watch. It's not until we truly become bored with it that it will lose viewers.

(Oh, and of course, there's always the kicker that keeps us watching–they are being called in to investigate supposedly haunted locations. What if by accident or intention, they actually capture something? I mean, who wants to miss that episode?!)

5:36 pm
January 12, 2009


Harry

Fort Mill, SC

Investigator

posts 60

They could change a lot of things.

Will they take strong measures to prevent even the appearance of fraud or trickery, such as by inviting hardcore skeptics along on their "investigations" and allowing their equipment and clothing to be inspected by those skeptics?

Will they place the data gathered—–video, EVPs, or whatever—-with an independent third party (such as a university physics professor) to make sure it isn't tampered with or altered prior to "analysis"?

Will they finally develop something resembling a methodology for investigations—-such as which devices to use and the sequence they are used—-or will they continue with their seat-of-the-pants, ad hoc approach?

Will they finally develop clear, rigorous criteria for determining the reliability and accuracy of the data they collect? Will we ever hear them say, "Gee, I don't know what caused the K-II meter to light up, but we have no basis for assuming it was paranormal."

Will they ever explain their criteria for determining if a place is haunted or not? I've been watching GH for years and as best as I can tell a place is "haunted" or not depending on how Jay and Grant feel during the Reveal.

Of course, they will do none of these things. All would go a long way toward enhancing the show's credibility, but they would also make hoaxing and evidence fabrication much more difficult. And we can't have that, can we?

If "Collargate" has demonstrated anything, it's that GH has a fanatically loyal core of fans who are eager to accept, without question or hesitation, whatever nonsense Jay and Grant want to peddle. It is impossible to engage in any rational debate with such people, and I can't help but wonder if we're all just wasting our time here attempting to debate the true believers.

7:05 pm
January 12, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

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posts 99

I think there will be some changes but they will probably be subtle. The basic recipe for the show will remain intact. Evidence might get more careful scrutiny to insure that undue critical attention will not be paid. The greatest potential for change is live shows. I think they will be much more careful about what they do in the future.

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12:37 am
January 13, 2009


A Adams

Guest

IMO the ratings will be the only thing that decides whether they keep or alter their formula (or maybe just keep trying "exciting" newbies to the fold to punch it up).

But for some reason I also can't help getting the feeling that these guys (G and J not the newbies) have had enough themselves and they are just plain bored and if they are (TV) popular will either want to do something else (even paranormal) or maybe just walk away?? But I have never been much of a psychic so who knows? lol

4:55 am
January 13, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

Investigator

posts 99

A Adams said:

IMO the ratings will be the only thing that decides whether they keep or alter their formula (or maybe just keep trying "exciting" newbies to the fold to punch it up).


I agree. Ratings are king. However I can't see the TAPS members willingly put themselves into another situation where they suffer pubilc ridicule like collargate. I think that some comprimises will be made and things will appear normal. There will be highly questionable evidence that rational folk will be able to debunk and the rare bit of inexplicable stuff that keeps us coming back for more.

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6:04 am
January 13, 2009


Jacqui

Investigator in Training

posts 14

A Adams said:

IMO the ratings will be the only thing that decides whether they keep or alter their formula (or maybe just keep trying "exciting" newbies to the fold to punch it up).

But for some reason I also can't help getting the feeling that these guys (G and J not the newbies) have had enough themselves and they are just plain bored and if they are (TV) popular will either want to do something else (even paranormal) or maybe just walk away?? But I have never been much of a psychic so who knows? lol


If they are bored, they're apparently not walking away any time soon because they just moved into new offices, as seen in their Q & A videos at:  http://www.scifi.com/ghosthunters/video/index.php?cat=qa.  I will venture to guess that one change they'll be forced to make with everyone switching over to digital reception and higher grade tvs is to be more exacting in their efforts to hoax something, especially since so many more people will be keeping an eye on the details in the wake of collargate.

7:54 am
January 13, 2009


Wes

Spaulding Inn, Room 38

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posts 142

I think they (and the behind-the-scenes folks who control the show) couldn't care less about skeptics and bad hoaxing as long (as others have pointed out) the ratings remain strong.

"The truth shall bear all light."

9:32 am
January 13, 2009


A Adams

Guest

"If they are bored, they're apparently not walking away any time soon because they just moved into new offices" Jacqui

Yes, it was 3 am (ZZZZZ….) when I posted and I realize I was probably transferring my own personal feelings onto them. Cause if it was me, I'd be bored (and humiliated) and walk away (really, reallly quicklySmile)

10:00 am
January 13, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2957

Jacqui said:

A Adams said:

IMO the ratings will be the only thing that decides whether they keep or alter their formula (or maybe just keep trying "exciting" newbies to the fold to punch it up).

But for some reason I also can't help getting the feeling that these guys (G and J not the newbies) have had enough themselves and they are just plain bored and if they are (TV) popular will either want to do something else (even paranormal) or maybe just walk away?? But I have never been much of a psychic so who knows? lol


If they are bored, they're apparently not walking away any time soon because they just moved into new offices, as seen in their Q & A videos at:  http://www.scifi.com/ghosthunters/video/index.php?cat=qa.  I will venture to guess that one change they'll be forced to make with everyone switching over to digital reception and higher grade tvs is to be more exacting in their efforts to hoax something, especially since so many more people will be keeping an eye on the details in the wake of collargate.


Of course, if they continue to shoot with non-HD cameras, none of the changes will make a lick of difference, and I suspect that they WON'T upgrade cameras…afterall, just like using a crappy recorder, they get better evidence with the lower quality equipment.

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10:34 am
January 13, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Nosfer said:

…afterall, just like using a crappy recorder, they get better evidence with the lower quality equipment.


You hit the nail on the head with that one. I couldn't agree more.

OD'd on EMF

5:27 pm
January 13, 2009


Wallydraigle

Ohio

Investigator

posts 114

Nothing is going to change.  I mean, nothing is going to get any better.  If anything it's just going to get even more hokey.  Behind closed doors, I'm sure the question was asked many times, "Just how far can we go before people stop watching?"  Now they know.  For now.  It's kind of naive to think they won't try to top themselves soon.

2:46 pm
January 14, 2009


T.A.Sharps

Iowa

Investigator

posts 60

I wonder if the Collergate live hunt will come out on DVD, un-edited?  I would think this would let people view it in higher definition.

Someone earlier mentioned they watched it in high definition and you could really see the string when J was "checking" Gs collar.

" Your reality Sir is lies and balderdash and I am delighted to say I have no grasp of it whatsoever!"

3:09 pm
January 14, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2957

T.A.Sharps said:

I wonder if the Collergate live hunt will come out on DVD, un-edited?  I would think this would let people view it in higher definition.

Someone earlier mentioned they watched it in high definition and you could really see the string when J was "checking" Gs collar.


If that were the case I would think we'd be awash in still-captures of the string so I have to assume this is an unfounded rumor. HD shouldn't really make any difference if the cameras used originally are "low" definition.

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1:40 pm
January 15, 2009


T.A.Sharps

Iowa

Investigator

posts 60

I have to assume we are a very small minority of those who watch the show, and our opinons here don't matter to them.  Unless our opinions spread to normal viewers more and more.

They have seemed to respond to a few things on youtube after collargate, but I wouldn't think they have someone to read through these forums and get really nervous.

So I would think nothing will change as a result of collargate accept for them being more careful.  If anything it might spread enough by the time the show has reached the end of its normal life cycle.

I don't care that much, if it spread that much really we wouldn't have anything to post about here, and being able to do our own form of debunking will be over.

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