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7:23 pm October 14, 2009
| Mugs
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I thought some of you might find the following useful to know/have when discussing tonight’ EP, if not also when watching it; should you see this before you do that is…sorry I’m late posting it, I wanted to post it yesterday but didn’t get a chance to do so.
Map [lay-out] of Fort Henry http://www.forthenry.com/mapfort.htm
Tour page, has info about the fort, an aerial shot and a list of the various areas/rooms within the fort [as seen on the fort site map] that are links which take you to a page that provides a bit of info about that particular area/room – quite a few also provide a photo of the room/area. http://www.forthenry.com/tourfort.htm
A short historical overview http://www.forthenry.com/pasthist.htm
The man who brought Fort Henry to life http://www.forthenry.com/ronway.htm
The 6-week long Fort Fright event, opened September 25 and runs to November 7, believe this is 2nd year for it. Sound and lighting effects, animatronics, and costumed animators are all part of the production. TAPS was there in June, well before things were set-up for the 6-wk Halloween event. http://www.forthenry.com/09090901.htm
Several photos of the Fort Fright event http://www.forthenry.com/fright/visuals.htm
An outside company that does ‘Haunted walking tours’ in Kingston offers a ‘ghost tour’ at the Fort – the Fort itself doesn’t have a ghost tour….save for the above, the only place I found ghost tour noted was in a list of activities done with students for the ‘Overnight Soldier Program’. Fort programs/tours: http://www.forthenry.com/progfort.htm
I can’t recall exactly when, but it was years ago when I first heard Fort Henry was reputedly haunted. Since then I’ve read more about it, heard stories from relatives and friends that live in Ontario, and it was featured on Creepy Canada in past as well.
Whether or not it’s Haunted is of course debatable, as with any locale its up to each individual to decide for him/herself if there is or possibly is PN activity going on – be it based on their own experiences and/or investigations done there, and/or the info and evidence that others present. I won’t hold my breath that TAPS will gather meaningful data or present any evidence that isn’t highly questionable with the usual issues and red flags that we’ve unfortunately seen time and time again over the past few seasons – well IMO pretty much from the get-go. Home pg http://www.forthenry.com/home.htm
This site offers ‘virtual tours’ of the Fort plus an aerial photo that allows you to zoom in a bit [looks like google earth]. Scroll down for a list of 9 areas you can take a virtual tour of, and 3 sunset ceremony VTs. The Fort is quite large you really get a feel for it in the VT. http://www.virtualkingston.ca/forthenry.htm#
Lots of good photos [slide show], quite a few are interior shots of different areas including part of a tunnel, wine cellar, basement/stairs area, barracks, officers quarters, school room, kitchen etc….some nice exterior shots of the Fort, dry ditch, parade ground, plus the lake and land areas around the Fort.
http://ontarioguide.com/OntarioPhotos/FortHenryKingston/index.html
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8:00 pm October 14, 2009
| darkeyes
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Thanks for the info! Not a bad episode overall, but that door movement seemed almost too good to be true. Also, if a ghost could rap on the glass in that sealed chamber, why couldn’t it move the rocking chair? Oh well, let’s see what trouble Josh will get into on DT now.
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8:32 pm October 14, 2009
| HipKat
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Just watching it now, but caught something odd.
They leave Warwick, RI to go to Kingston, Ont, which is the gateway to the Thousand Islands area of the St. Lawrence River. (Which makes sense, since they were in Alexandria Bay last week, where my family owns a house!)
So they drive through Rhode Island, Massachussettes and NY.
Why, in the beginning, as they're talking on the radios, are they in Delaware?? I paused to see the Highways signs on the overpasses and they'rei n the New Castle, DE area….
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10:22 pm October 14, 2009
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Your welcome darkeyes. I haven't seen the EP yet, I won’t be able to watch it for a few hours yet. However when the promo clip played during last weeks EP [next on GH] it showed a door closing, pretty sure it was in a room that [surprise] Jay/Grant were in.
And in a clip titled 'sneak preview' that I'd seen a few days later the scene played was [surprise] Jay/Grant standing in a hallway of sorts at a window of a room – likely the sealed chamber you noted – Jay rapped on the window and got a response, did it again and this time put his hand on the glass to feel for a vibration and of course it happened again [then G felt it]….and right after the KII lit up – if I'm not mistaken they had 2 KII units on the window ledge, both lit up – and then Jay started to claim he was filling all dizzy and light-headed and needed to get out of there….I don't think he was even through the doorway when he noted he was feeling better already.
I suppose I'll find out soon enough, but after seeing the latter clip I wondered if J/G would still chalk up the dizziness Jay felt to being a symptom of the dreaded 'fear cage' [hypersensitivity], or as being possibly PN since – if I recall right – Grant claimed the KII meters going off was seemingly inexplicable because it was random. Since Amy was a victim of the fear cage last week I'm guessing it will be the latter. More to be said on this but I'll wait until after I've seen the EP as who knows I may be surprised and find nothing more was said on it.
I get the feeling that I've already seen the 'highlights' with regards to activity experienced and evidence obtained – save for possibly the usual claims of hearing footsteps and/or voices and seeing shadows [that we of course don't get to see], with an EVP or two captured – with the door being what the promo clip was referring to as being 'the most astonishing evidence yet' [unless that was yet another loss leader]. Time will tell. 
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10:31 pm October 14, 2009
| Mugs
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@HipKat – good eye, thanks for noting that I’ll be sure to watch closely for what signs are on the road. Not sure if this will help or not: Cornwall Jail aired last week however they actually investigated it ‘after’ Fort Henry – Fort H was done sometime during the June 15th week – and according to the DVR D/T stamp the U.S.S Salem investigation was on June 2nd, and if I’m not mistaken the Isle of Pines case was done on June 7th [give/take a day]….if they were in Delaware when they ‘staged’ their driving to Fort Henry chatter/scene, then it had to be sometime ‘after’ they did the Canadian cases or ‘before’ they did the U.S.S Salem [assuming the D/T stamp was correct or within a day or two of when they were there].
They ‘stage’ a lot of scenes, including some of the ‘lights out’ scenes thus actual investigation – frankly I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if most are staged, despite the fact that all of the actual investigation scenes should be impromptu IMO. Save for the ridiculous number of redundant sound bites they do during same that is. Who knows maybe they did ‘driving there’ scenes for several EPs on the same day – when they happened to be in the New Castle area – or they got a call from post-production saying they had to re-do the one for Fort Henry for whatever reason? You know despite being a so-called reality show, IMO the ‘reality is’ there isn’t a lot of ‘reality’ actually involved. 
ETA: sorry not sure why the script/font size keeps going small, I've gone through all the buttons up top but can't find a font-size one to correct.
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4:43 am October 15, 2009
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I thought the show was..well…more of the same. I wasn't impressed by the door. If a ghostie jumped up and bit Grant, I wouldn't be impressed! I just don't belive anything they do…just enjoy watching them screw up the investigation or say/do somthing stupid. I had to laugh at how "they" made Kris and Amy take off their coats while they were investigating. It was obviously cold, because Kris kept putting her coat over her legs, around her shoulders etc….but of course, we need to see her cute outfit while she was walking around the cold fort. All the guys kept their coats on for the entire investigation…just more typical production crap!
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6:07 am October 15, 2009
| alicat
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Mugs and HipKat,
Living in NJ, going to college in Wilmington and travelling these roads to MD on almost a weekly basis for many years, I noticed the I-95 and New Castle signs immediately. Those scenes were cut and pasted while the vans were being driven on I-95 South near the New Castle County Airport on a drive to MD/VA – but not actually being driven by J & G who flew to the locations in MD/VA.
Also take a look at the scene just after Grant makes the statement about Ft. Henry activity and says "it seems a little more credible" ( ), you will see added footage of the vans being driven down a highway. Notice the trees have absolutely no foliage (a winter shot somewhere) yet it is summer and in every other scene the trees are green and in full foliage. I think they would have more credibility with stupid things like this if they didn't Twitter all the time because J & G flew to Canada and drove from their hotel/airport for the investigation and then flew back for the reveal. Everyone else drove to Canada as documented on Kris' Twitter as well as J & G's.
I've said it before and I'll say it again – no continuity and very sloppy production.
EDIT: From Jason's Twitter:
Packing 4 Canada trip. Will b great to get out there again. I love Canada! Wonder if plane will leave on time. We should prob place bets.LOL 7:57 AM Jun 6th from web
Well we are here in Ontario. I love Canada. great area.Have not been here since childhood. We are only an hour or two from where I was born.9:31 PM Jun 7th from web
Case tonight, time to get ready and then go see some sights..7:44 AM Jun 8th from web
Just landed in good ole Boston.can't wait to see my family and get some huge2:59 PM Jun 10th from Tweetie
Perfect day in Rhode Island, head back to Canada tomorrow. Then back following week. My good friend Meatloaf will be filming with us soon.7:27 AM Jun 13th from web
Well we made it back to our hotel. But this is where we investigated last week.. http://yfrog.com/5juwdzj8:55 PM Jun 15th from Tweetie
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8:14 am October 15, 2009
| darkeyes
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That’s funny that J & G get’s to fly and everyone else has to drive. It’s good to be the kings!
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12:27 pm October 15, 2009
| Mary
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I have a comment to make about the 'debunk' Steve and Tango did with the cold air rushing into a room through a small slit. Now, mind you, I'm far from brilliant and I mostly slept through high school science classes…
Steve points to a small slit in a stone window, and the window well becomes wider as it comes toward them. Steve says, "This explains the blast of cold air, because as it enters the narrow window it will then blow out stronger as it comes through this open space." (or he says something along those lines.)
Huh? Like I said, I'm not too smart, but wouldn't the wind force lessen in strength once it gets past the narrow window? If it were blowing in from a wider area and being forced into a smaller space, then I could understand that it pushes out stronger. If one were to use water in a plastic pop bottle as an example… cutting off the wide bottom, turning it upside down and pouring the water into the jug, the water coming out of the small round hole would come out harder, right? But if you poured it into the smaller top hole, it would dissipate and have less pressure as it poured out of the wide, cut open bottom??? Right? Unless I'm wrong. Which wouldn't be the first time. (only the second… )
Please, would one of you smart people explain to me how Steve could be right about his wind theory.
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"Quando omni flunkus moritati" ("When all else fails, play dead") – Possum Lodge motto. Jason and Grant should adopt it as their own.
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1:22 pm October 15, 2009
| blinddog
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@Mary
You are quite correct.
I was half asleep when Steve expounded this theory and I thought I was imagining it.
Sadly, I was not.
After you consider the MULITUDE of sins this show has committed you just relax back down and say, "WTH".
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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1:58 pm October 15, 2009
| Rib
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Mugs said:
….and right after the KII lit up – if I'm not mistaken they had 2 KII units on the window ledge, both lit up – and then Jay started to claim he was filling all dizzy and light-headed and needed to get out of there….
I noticed this during that particular scene, notice that both KII meters were pointed towards eachother, in between there seemed to be a lightswitch or something like that.
Then I think it was J picked up his and waved it around the switch for a few seconds, you see the KII going mental, the second he takes it away from the lightswitch it stops.
If they're going to try and fake KII evidence, at least try and make it more convincing.
I also noticed that they have seemed to stop all together with the EMF detectors now, what gives? they would have come in handy dring the investigation as they were obviously finding rogue EMF signals everywhere. the KII doesn't pick these up properly, it just flashes, the EMF gives you a reading!
Finally, how dare you guys complain about Kris and Amy having to take their jackets off!?
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6:38 pm October 15, 2009
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Steve asks if it is possible to get behind the glass, and the docent says "no it isn't" seconds AFTER we are shown a short clip taken from the back corner of the room.
The've sliced and diced again – as they go into the officers quarters with the rocking chair, production gives us cutaway scenes of a different room without the rocking chair.
Grant exclaims " Holy Crap" as he points his KII at a light switch. Maybe he needs to take a refresher at Ghost Hunter Academy where Techmangler Steve explains how electrical outlets can discharge a burst of energy ?
Grant then realizes that they are sporadic with no rhyme or reason to it so they ignore them . ….. ??? Well Mr investigator, just what causes sporadic with no rhyme or reason KII hits ?
— don't you think it might be a good idea to find out how your equipment works ?
Bakery door - We have the production camera, we have what was probably Grants handheld that he convienently leaves on the table pointing directly at the door where something is about to happen, and during the reveal Steve digs out yet another MiniDV that was aimed in that general direction during the event.
But — what happened to the dvr camera that was originally covering that same angle ? The one Steve shows us during the setup and they mention has it's cable routed through the back corner of the front door ?
Why did they need to put the MiniDV there at all ? ( My best guess is that it was placed there to capture the "front" door opening since we now know that it was left unlatched because of the cable )
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12:58 am October 16, 2009
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i got a little annoyed at the constant "I know there was no breeze, we were standing in front of it" that was said probably half a dozen times. I was watching my back catalogue of episodes and when a door was closing itself they would spend a lot of time trying to debunk it, find out what is causing it to do this, is it a draft, vaccum, etc? However, now it's less about debunking more about finding evidence to point towards a haunting and a lot of shadows, figures and strange things that Grant only sees.
A quick note on Grant and his "figurines".
As mentioned, I was watching the back catalogue and it was one of the earlier episodes where Grant and Jay see their first full bodied apparition. They are so excited, I actually want to say that they did see something judging by their reaction. However, it seems now that Grant in particular sees something, a figure, a person just walking past a window, someone standing in the corner that disappears the second a production camera pans towards it. Once upon a time I believed that a guy who had been in the field for 18 years or however long it was genuinely excited about seeing an apparition. Now he sees one every week. Have him and Jason gone to a witchdoctor to help them see the spirits? Thats the only explanation I can think of that would suggest the weekly "Holy Grail of Paranormal Investigation"
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1:15 am October 16, 2009
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@alicat – Thanks for the info. I actually didn't end up watching the EP until today. Not surprised that J/G flew while the rest of the team hit the highway….it's a given with Steve/Tango, besides Steve's phobia it seems that – save for the Ireland trip in S3 – when it comes to the equipment van slash mobile command unit TAPS never leaves home without it. As for splicing in footage of a highway scene that was filmed weeks or months earlier, can't say I'm surprised there either: splicing, slicing, dicing and [definitely] staging with little to no regard paid to continuity have long been par for the course.
@Mary – I had to watch/listen again to part of the [so-called] debunking that Steve/Tango had done in the wine cellar, as I honestly thought that I had either heard it wrong or, like blinddog, I imagined it – even though I was fully awake/alert at the time. It was worse hearing it the second time around lol. And this is the duo that will be 'leading' the new [college] team?!?
@Rib – Now that I've seen the full investigation/EP and thus all of the Jay/Grant in the Officer's Quarters #3 scenes….honestly, the whole thing had a very staged feel to it to me. Actually there were a few oddities I noted that raised a red flag for me, but I'm going to have to save noting more – along with other observations/questions and comments in general for this EP that I have – until tomorrow …..I've had to step away from the computer several times since starting this post and looks like I'm needed again so I'm just going to call it a night…..so until then have a good night all.
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2:14 am October 16, 2009
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Mugs said:
….And this is the duo that will be 'leading' the new [college] team ?!?….
On GH it's Jay and Grant who get the lion's share of the so called "evidence" and the others get very little………on the new show it will be Steve and Tango.
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8:38 am October 16, 2009
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Is there no device that they could have used to prove the glass was vibrating? How thick is the glass? If it's temperature controlled does that mean that there is some sort of air system that keeps it the same, and if so, couldn't that be making the glass vibrate? And why didn't they do more to work with the KII if they were getting responses with the knocks? And if there were three cameras on the door then why did they constantly show the one that blocked off the bottom half? So many questions that have no good answers.
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Ghost, n. The outward and visible sign of an inward fear.
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3:18 pm October 16, 2009
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Speaking of that first apparition, in Tombstone, since theyaired it last week, I notice that Grant sees the "Lady in white" and get's all excited and Jay responds like he didn't really see anyting, but then his excitement kind've builds up over the next minute for so…..
The other I notice, watchign the reruns is that Brian really was a bigger goof ball than I remembered.
Man, that dude sees something in every single scene……
"I swear to GOD, dude…."
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3:26 pm October 16, 2009
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Not much more than J or G.
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4:46 pm October 16, 2009
| Angelayo1970
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Mugs said:
@Mary – I had to watch/listen again to part of the [so-called] debunking that Steve/Tango had done in the wine cellar, as I honestly thought that I had either heard it wrong or, like blinddog, I imagined it – even though I was fully awake/alert at the time. It was worse hearing it the second time around lol. And this is the duo that will be 'leading' the new [college] team?!?
I'm wondering what the interview process will be for the college kids selected to go on these hunts with "Drs. Steve & Tango". I'm thinking there will be a few rules of thumb:
1. The girls will have to be attractive.
2. The boys will have to be "frat boy dumb-jock" types.
3. NO SCIENCE MAJORS!!!
I mean, we all know how Steve feels about people who read…
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"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei
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