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3:48 am
April 24, 2009


Grant Wilson

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Greetings,

IMHO it is apparent by now to anyone even remotely switched on that GH are FOS and their evidence is ALL fake. I make this claim based on the fact that if we know for sure some of it (the jacket pull for example) is flat out lies, then common sense dictates the rest of it most likely is too, so we shouldn't believe anything they say in future…..period

In which case, why bother watching it anymore? I only posted this because I came across this site after many months and was amazed people are still debating whether it's true or not.

I don't get it folks…….can someone please enlighten me?

7:27 am
April 24, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

People still watch wrestling -

I find it most interesting that over 5 years, using resources that other investigators can only wish for, GH has added nothing to advance the knowledge of the nature of the paranormal.

I have to believe that if they could, they would, so they are either completely incompetant or there is nothing to find.

8:30 am
April 24, 2009


Grant Wilson

Guest

I agree with you completely

*realizes irony of posting on this forum about people posting on this forum about GH*

8:37 am
April 24, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2957

As the Doctor says:

"I have to believe that if they could, they would, so they are either completely incompetent or there is nothing to find."

Having observed their techniques over the years and their failure to learn, I have to lean more towards the former than the latter.

The show allows me to hone my own debunking skills. Instead of repeating myself, also check out Post #8 here (the term Flogging a Dead Horse was used in this thread as well):

http://www.skepticalviewer.com/forums/ghost-hunters/crossing-over-s05e07/page-1

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8:38 am
April 24, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

It's a comedy show to us now. We watch it for the larfs.

OD'd on EMF

9:15 am
April 24, 2009


Harry

Fort Mill, SC

Investigator

posts 60

It's like a bad traffic accident.

I know I shouldn't slow down and stare, but I can't help myself.

9:28 am
April 24, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Ditto Harry!

9:30 am
April 24, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

Moderator

posts 857

You have to think of these shows (GH, GHI, GA, MH, etc.) as paranormal porno.
And like your typical porno it probably has no actual redeeming social value, but there is still a large market for it.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

9:54 am
April 24, 2009


Grant Wilson

Guest

My porn has a very good purpose, kind sir!!!

10:54 am
April 24, 2009


Queen of the Nerds

Orange County, CA

Investigator

posts 105

I rarely watch GH anymore. It makes me sad to think about what a great show it used to be. I can't debate anything on the show anymore. My common sense tells me it IS all fake. A few weeks ago I decided to tune in and give Jason and Grant a second chance to win me back….. no deal. I don't think the GH drinking game could make the show pleasant!!!

If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.

12:15 pm
April 24, 2009


Grant Wilson

Guest

May I ask you, do you think any of the other PN shows might be more credible perhaps?

12:23 pm
April 24, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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posts 2957

Grant Wilson said:

May I ask you, do you think any of the other PN shows might be more credible perhaps?


I still have hope for Destination Truth.

MH: No
PS: No
GA: No (although it's hard to watch enough of it to say for certain)

One way to gauge it is to look at the frequency and amount of "evidence" they catch. Realize that they are in a place for a very limited time and then put the amount of evidence into context. I wish I had the success rate they did! Look, too, at how they handle the evidence or the personal experiences at the time, that tells you a lot.

What investigator in his right mind after having made physical contact with the other world would just say "Thanks, man. Okay, come on let's go check out this other room now and see if there's anything in there."

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12:29 pm
April 24, 2009


Grant Wilson

Guest

Some very good points man,

So the PN really is poop then do you think? Based on all the evidence we don't have?

1:42 pm
April 24, 2009


Queen of the Nerds

Orange County, CA

Investigator

posts 105

Nosfer said:

One way to gauge it is to look at the frequency and amount of "evidence" they catch. Realize that they are in a place for a very limited time and then put the amount of evidence into context. I wish I had the success rate they did! Look, too, at how they handle the evidence or the personal experiences at the time, that tells you a lot.


   I started watching GH because I thought the others shows were ridiculous. The other shows found evidence everywhere that could EASILY be debunked. It made me laugh. GH seemed like they really wanted to change the PN genre into something more serious. I was so impressed that J&G would debunk their own evidence. Then I started realizing that, most of the time, most of the "serious" evidence was only found (or experienced) by J&G. The show started getting stinky real fast. After the "voice heard round the fort" on the Halloween live show I knew that the PN could not be taken serious on any show. It is too easy to fake evidence. If all the evidence that J&G found was real then there would be much more publicity around them! Flying coat hangers? Jacket pulls? Tons of EVPs? Lots of heat signatures? If all of their "evidence" was true, the PN community would be extremely excited. Thus far, J&G don't seem to be the PN pioneers that they wish to be. Their "evidence" isn't even accepted by people who believe in PN, like myself.

If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.

5:19 pm
April 24, 2009


chrispycritters

Cal

Investigator in Training

posts 17

Grant Wilson said:

May I ask you, do you think any of the other PN shows might be more credible perhaps?


To go back to your original question, I watch because the show has become very telling about human psychology.  I like watching people react to their immediate environment and I sort of enjoy watching the thought process that takes someone from ambient noise to an EVP that says "GET OUT!" (or whatever).   I watch for many of the same reasons I watch other reality shows: the particpants have become characters. We can attempt to predict what they will do; how they will react; why they react the way they do.  I also watch because seeing people so butcher the scientific method and physics can be educational (painful, but educational in a "what not to do" sort of way).  There's a lot to be gained from examining why people believe what they believe and how they got there. 

Are the other PN shows more credible?  More credible than what?  Ghost Hunters?  I think GH had a bit more credibility in the beginning, but they're losing it fast.  However, I give them enough credit to acknowledge that comparing GH to MH is like comparing oranges to lemons.  They're both citrus, but different.

5:30 am
April 25, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

Investigator

posts 99

In which case, why bother watching it anymore? I only posted this because I came across this site after many months and was amazed people are still debating whether it's true or not.

I don't get it folks…….can someone please enlighten me?


I guess one reason why many of us continue to watch is that we are fundamentally skeptical and not completely denying the possible existence of paranormal phenomena. For me there is always the hope that something truly interesting will be accidentally captured by the TAPS team. That hope has certainly diminished significantly over the last year due to mortal wounds to their overall credibility. The debate here continues to be sure but the overall tone has shifted much more to the negative.

Hee hee hee! "Get her!" That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.

10:42 pm
April 28, 2009


Sabrina

Elk Grove, CA

Investigator

posts 27

I watch these shows for their entertainment value. I do believe in ghosties and have had my own experiences to back up my belief; but I have no proof and I don't think proof will ever be found. In the meantime … there's not much else on TV at the times these shows come on and I like the background noise while I'm wasting time on the computer.

If you ain't laughing … you ain't living! May your life be like toilet paper … long and useful.

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