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3:06 pm September 18, 2009
| Learjet
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Technically speaking then, the K2 (and other AC meters) are not so much an EMF meter but an EMR meter since they don't detect electrostatic or magnetostatic fields. Although the K2 will detect magnetostatic fiields if passed through them at speed.
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6:27 am September 19, 2009
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Tascat I was Working in the midwest at the time, actually trying to find out if the transformer next to one of our facilities was bad. We called in the power companies engineer. He was the one who showed that the current return and the dry earth was causing our equipment to intermittently turn on and off. The facility in question was in a direct path between a step down transformer, an a substation. It also had a chain link fence around it, and a tower. The was some voltage on it.( I don't remember the exact amount). As for the different potential in the grounds that was because the earth grounds were not ganged together. You are aware there is equipment to check the resistance of the earth ground? I know people who have and can sense radar guns from the police, This is in the microwave range of around 10ghz. When I discussed this with a neurologist he never heard of it but said the human brain functions at and beyond that speed.
Learjet So a simple compass should do the same thing, and as it passes through, you should be able to track the direction or movement of a suspected entity. The same way you can follow a ferromagnetostatic fields in a screw driver with a compass. So what component or circuit inside the emf meter is causing the led to light up, when a magnetostatic field passes through?
Maybe we should start another thread on the technical discussions.
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9:23 am September 19, 2009
| TasCat
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@Saber
Thanks for the explanation. I think I understand now what you are referring to in your post. Also maybe we ought to have a technical thread for questions regarding different "scientific" theories to paranormal events. I know we have the fringe topic, I was going to say the geological explanation for the Marfa, Tx lights may be this "tectonic stress theory" but I don't know, they mostly try to group that with ufo sightings, tectonic stress that is, even the famous Flying Saucer event over Washington State that started the whole thing, I cannot think of the pilot's name at the moment, I think my brain is detecting a radar gun trap up the street ;) On that though seriously, we do not know for sure what the brain can do, after all, so much of it is unused, just as there are people who can see sound as light (without the benefit of Dr. Timothy Leary's LSD or a sneak drink of Ken Kesey's kool-aid test). So if the brain can do this without chemical help, plus many other strange things it can do, I wouldn't doubt that some people can detect radar guns, although, most are laser now.
I do want to apologize for getting into different topics in a single post, like my previous one. When you don't get out much, a lot of ideas tend to just start coming out that you haven't had a chance to chat with others in person, slart flowing.
re: high tension wires (electrical), the main ones coming from a hydro-electric dam or nuclear power plant, on the high metal towers, there are people who have had adverse effects to these over years, but mainly in the form of cancer, they don't mention the other symptoms GH mentions. I have been close to these, as a line of them came from a hydro-electric power plant on the Missouri River in South Dakota to our reservation in Todd County, South Dakota, just north of Valentine, NE. You can hear those things hum, and it's not wind induced, I didn't feel any adverse effects, I thought checking them out as a kid was cool just for the novelty factor and the sounds. I would also fossil hunt near a sub-station that was connected to these lines, there was a drainage (natural due to rain coming off of the gravel covering the ground at the substation to keep weeds from growing, I also don't know where they got the gravel, but I did find fossil camel's teeth in that as well, camels did exist in North America before probably hunted to extinction.) But in that ditch, I found a good grapefruit sized piece of limestone packed with different types of shells, bi-valves, cones, pieces unidentifiable….someone stole it, I really miss having that, as well as an ammonite (like the modern day nautilus). (See, there I went again). LOL, a 46 year old jabbermouth. Luckily, my fingers get tired from the disease.
RE: Fibromyalgia, the name itself means muscle-fiber pain, it could be neurological, our brain again does many things we don't know, there are many cases of people feeling severe pain and no reason for it, not necessarily fibromyalgia, but brain sensors placed on the head DO show that the person IS experiencing pain, something that cannot be faked. Often though, it doesn't get this far, and Dr.'s tend to dismiss the person as someone seeking pain meds. Which do help, because they block the pain sensors (narcotic ones) in the brain. NSAIDS, the non-steroidal, non-narcotic pain meds just try to reduce inflammation, of which in fibromyalgia, there is none. So it's kind of pointless and hard on the stomach. Now in my case, they do help, because polymyositis, means "many muscle inflammation", due to the fact the immune system went wacky and started killing my own skeletal muscles, it can go into involuntary muscles like the diaphram and cardiac and smooth muscle of the digestive system, causing a 20% morbidity/mortality rate after 5 years. It's been 20 for me, so I guess this is part of the reason my interest in the paranormal, re: the afterlife, became stronger, it was tough at 24 to hear such things, so you do start to think deep about "what if". So I guess that's why I'm so strong minded at trying to find things you CANNOT explain. So far, there's always been a plausible explanation and when people go out of their way to fake such things, really annoys me.
So to our guest Angelayo1970, hang in there, that's pretty much all we can do, take it one day at a time. Keep your mind occupied, chess and my interest in the paranormal as well as many science subjects, as the poor readers have found out, ;) keeps my mind off of the negative and more to the positive, it doesn't always work, no one is that perfect of course, we will have our bad days, like I am today with pain, but this post and getting ready to read others helps a lot. Speaking of others, I joined that GH forum (and 18+) just to see how they talk over there, I felt like I was reading posts from sheep. But as some have said here, question too much, and poof, you are gone. So I will just lurk and shake my head, as I did yesterday, I don't know how many times I thought "oh geez!" at their willingness not to question and put forth some pretty "out there" explanations about how this or that "ghost" was there and what it was doing. Anyway, I will try to keep quiet the rest of the day, no promises. :P
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11:23 am September 19, 2009
| Learjet
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Saber, the EMF meters use small inductors of one sort or another as the primary sensor to detect EM radiation.
Yes for magnet fields a compass would work well.
Can't say I've heard of being sensitive to radar guns but I'll keep an eye out for further info.
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2:36 pm September 19, 2009
| Angelayo1970
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Thanks Tas, you are sweet. So far I'm not having to go down the pain meds path too often, only on really bad days which for me, luckily, is only a couple a week. I have finally found a specialist as well that is very understanding and patient and handles mostly fibromyalgia patients, so that helps a lot too.
I agree with you completely regarding the Taps 18+ forum. I've not been banned yet, though I know there are SV members who have been, but some of my more "controversial" posts have been removed, which is hilarious to me because I got bashed over there by quite a few fanatics and my posts were in no way bashing on their heroes J&G. Yet the rude responses I got remained up while my politely stated, well thought out opinions were removed. That is why I love this site so much. Reasonable, rational discussion takes place here, and even when there are disagreements between posters, they are handled in a calm and polite way.
I wonder if the TAPS moderators have an unhealthy obsession with the novel "1984"? LOL
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11:00 pm September 19, 2009
| Learjet
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Add me to the list of those with an autoimmune disease. On rather large doses of immunosuppressants and anti inflammatories (not NSAIDS). We all have one foot in the grave already Lol.
We should make a pact that when we go we come back and annoy the ghost hunters and set off all their EMF meters at once Lol.
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7:55 am September 20, 2009
| TasCat
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Oh yeah….those immune-suppressants…still on a low dose of MTX, just 7.5mg/week, but was on higher dose along with large dose of Imuran (azathioprine)…and then the prednisone..oy! That's the worse one of the bunch, cushing syndrome, diabetes, cataracts, etc. When it was first diagnosed, I had to sit for 5 hours getting an iv drip of prednisolone..trying to get my CPK down from over 14,000 (I think about 300 is high end). Just mainly suffering all the side effects of the remedies, but glad to do so, since I am still here!
Now we just have to agree at which haunted site we will congregate to set off those EMF detectors and form into solid objects with a high heat signature! There's this one T-Shirt they like to wear depicting an "entity" that kind of looks like it was from "Scream" without the hood…wait, we have to have a hood, it's required…<sigh> but anyway, if they went around a corner and actually saw something like that, Jason would scream like a girl and run out with Grant in his arms, his arms in a death grip around Jason's neck, yelling "Get the Feck out of Here, Dude!"
I guess we could gather in their hotel…but then that would give them actual ghosts to take advantage of, wouldn't it? We wouldn't want them to profit off of our hijinx. I don't know, but you wear the hood, I will take the black satin sheet. 
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10:07 am September 20, 2009
| Learjet
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Good heaven's I''m on the exact same same pills, except for the MTX. The doc wanted to add that to the list but speaking for my liver I refused.
I think I'll take on Grant and everywhere he goes tug down on his collar with my ghostly finger making it look exactly like a string pull. He started it, now it's our duty to ruin him Lol.
Do you know morse code? You could play with Jason's flashlight and spell out the name "Satan" in morse. But then they are on to ghosts pretending to be demons apparently…
Now we are well and truly off topic Lol. I'm blaming the pills. 
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10:19 am September 20, 2009
| TasCat
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Pills, what pills…. oh wait, yeah, the Morphine and Percocet does that to me…long-term short-term memory loss or short-term long-term memory loss, I can't remember. ;-)
Yes, maybe we ought to start a post-death ghost hijinx list, like the Bucket List, of things to do when that time comes, disclaimer: I too blame the meds!
1. Haunt Jay and Grant whenever they get new batteries.
LOL, okay, I'm done… all meant in good fun, not a personal attack so to speak, but jesting with their methods. Want to keep a civil dialogue here, that's for sure! Somedays, like my cats daily, I just get the crazies, if I could run, I would be chasing ghosties up and down the hallway!
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6:24 pm September 22, 2009
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I am SOOO in on the "coming back to haunt J&G" idea! I get to wear a hoodie and walk in front of their FLIR! LOL
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9:48 pm September 26, 2009
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Sorry I didn't see this sooner.
You asked about my pain tolerance? I actually think it's pretty high. I've had three natural childbirths and even weathered a few kidney stones sans pain meds. But my every day life is painful. It's not the severity of pain that is the issue, it's the chronic nature of the pain and the on-set following what should be NON-pain stimulating activities or stimulus. I have a side issue that complicates the matter, in that I also have a rheumatoid disease, but the pain and discomfort I was referring to in my first post is different. Imagine walking into an office building and after spending a few minutes in this building, you feel like your body is being jolted with electricity. Or, imagine hearing a loud, constant ticking (like a loud clock or someone drumming their fingers incessantly) and you actually feel physical pain. Personally, I think the explanation is somewhat like the above mentioned nerve-theory (wherein the brain criss-crosses signals and hits pain receptors when it shouldn't). Thinking about this makes me wonder if "sensitives" (paranormal sensitives, let's say) just have some sort of criss-cross that makes normal stimulus touch off an abnormal reaction?
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8:13 am September 27, 2009
| Learjet
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Here's another take on the matter. GH seem to take the stand that high EMF makes people feel sick or delusional in some way. However we all seem to have forgotten about the 5 billion dollar industry of using magnets for pain relief – magnetic fields that make people feel better. http://magneticpainrelief.info/
Well hang on, which is it? Does EMF make you feel better or worse? Apparently this psuedo science can have it both ways, if there's money involved and how they spin the tale!
The MRI should either be better than morphine…
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7:31 pm September 27, 2009
| TasCat
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I can attest to the fact that 35 minutes in the MRI didn't help my pain, in fact, holding my shoulder the way I did for so long, it got worse! But at least I didn't have skin irritation, feeling creepy, feeling of someone watching me, the heebeejeebee (cousins of the BeeGees) Did find out my ailment was cellulitis, in the navel no less…and I was worried about a umbilical hernia, since I have weak abdominal muscles, (lucky if I have a half a can of soda, much less a six pack!), diabetes, immune-suppressed for the polymyositis…but at least I can fight an infection with antibiotics (and yes, I take all of them, no need to spread antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria!) rather that worry about some mesh put in with an orthroscope! (Oh yes, and the extra weight from the Cushing Syndrome, oh joy! :-) But have to look at the bright side, got an MRI debunked EMF to myself), no hernia, just an infection….but still have to fight that, no MTX this week! I take over 20 drugs, and you would think mosquitoes would leave me alone…not even lucky on that front, my Mom likes to sit outside and when they go in and out, all the little biting critters come in here, luckily, no Chupacabra's yet!
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2:18 am September 28, 2009
| Learjet
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I had a headache during my MRI as well. It seemed to make it neither better or worse.
If pain relief was only as simple as using a bunch of magnets…
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9:15 am October 9, 2009
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Anyone able to fill in some background ?
Just HOW did EMF readings get associated with ghosts to begin with ?
EMF is supposed to cause nausea, but we don't see everyone starting to barf when there is supposed to be a ghost around.
EMF supposedly causes paranoia – If Casper says " Get out ! " that's not paranoia.
EMF supposedly causes delusions, a real ghostie would cause delusions of … what ?
High EMF readings MAY cause delusions of grandeur — where ghost hunters feel if THEY can't explain something then it MUST be other worldly.
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5:27 pm October 9, 2009
| Learjet
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Maybe someone made a very iffy connection between EMF and nuclear radiation from fallout.
Was watching some docos of the Chernobyl disaster and the side effects from ionizing radiation were just as mentioned on Ghost Hunters – nausea, vomiting, skin irritation, hallucinations, headache etc etc. Only thing is, by the time they experienced those side effects they had already received a LETHAL dose of radiation, and either died a short time later or became invalids.
On the Ghost Hunters show, EMF didn't seem to be directly connected to the presence of ghosts until season 3 with the Manson Murders episode when Chris Flemming introduced the now infamous K-II. Before that, Steve's Sperry was used to debunk feelings of haunting to high EMF. Now days they seem to want it both ways, depending on whether they want to declare a place haunted or not.
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7:55 am October 15, 2009
| TasCat
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Well, it seems the Klinge twins are immune to emf hypersentivity, putting that Tesla coil in the room to "charge" the atmosphere… No mention by the Ghost Lab team about this ailment so far. But they still use emf detectors…go figure. Try to lure ghosts with a tesla coil, charge the atmosphere in the room to over 100 milligauss, hmn… Couldn't figure out why they didn't talk to a geologist about their silver ore theory and lightning, instead, talk to an archaeologist. <sigh> And that speaker in that place, probably scared the lady ghost J & G saw right into the light… Speaking of lights, that speaker did seem to go off when they put their's close to it, but yet did the J & G & now Meatloaf, okay, we're outta here bit. I'm sure this is talked about somewhere already, but just had to mention it….will look for the appropriate thread..which Ghost Labs is hanging by…

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