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8:28 am June 5, 2009
| chrispycritters
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This topic keeps coming up, both on the show and here, with some debate. I would like to get everyone's feedback on this issue.
Simply put: Is there such a thing as "EMF sensitivity"? Why or why not?
Anecdotal evidence is fine, but I'm really looking for scientific arguments.
That stated, I'll offer a little of both. I'm in the middle on the issue. I'm a skeptic, to the core. I also have sensitvities to what might be considered 'odd' things. For example, I have a hard time with certain lighting that doesn't seem to bother others. My skin flushes bright red and I feel ill. I'm also highly attuned to sounds that other people don't seem to hear and if exposed too long, I get a headache and other physical symptoms. I've been told that this could be related to my fibromyalgia (a debated illness, given). Since I have these "problems", it does make me wonder if there are people sensitive to electromagnetic fields. Might they have a similar disease process or sensitivity that normal people just don't have? I don't understand EMF enough to know what the answer is. We see Jay and Grant measure exposed wiring and talk about how someone's expereince is directly tied to that "if they are sensitive" – where's the scientific support for that or is it just a theory?
What bothers me about Jason and Grant's proclamations of EMF sensitivity is that it seems they know just as little as I do about the physical nature of the ascerted affliction, but they don't admit that. They just start labeling people as sensitives. I know it's a separate post entirely, but why can't they just say they don't know?
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9:17 am June 5, 2009
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Crispy,
I think a lot of people have sensitivities to things that seem odd only because a small portion of the population is effected. I cannot handle peaches. . .the fuzz on the skin makes my hands burn and itch as though I was rubbing fiberglass into them.
I looked into this months ago, reading a lot of stuff on the web and came away with the impression that is is rare for one to find enough EMF in their home environment to make a difference. I would call it a theory. As Revenant can tell you, I am not gonna receive a scientific award, nor is it my field by a long shot. However, there are some very good scientists on this board and I hope they will chime in.
"EMF are present in the vicinity of all electrical devices, and human society has lived with (and used) electrical devices for over a century. Beginning in the late 1970’s, some research scientists turned asked whether there might be health effects from EMF associated with electricity generation and use. A period of intensive research followed, but now, much of this effort is winding down because well-funded, worldwide, intensive laboratory investigations have not been able to uncover reliable evidence for an EMF health hazard."
http://www.powerlinefacts.com/Expert%20Testimony/Valberg%20testimony.htm
"The panel divided the articles' findings into several areas of interest: diseases in human populations, effects on growth control, epidemiologic studies of cancer, reproductive effects, and neurobehavioral effects. Among the effects the studies examined were: effects on cell growth and proliferation, brain cancer, leukemia, male breast cancer, birth defects, spontaneous abortions and stillbirths, changes in behavior, sensory detection of the field, calcium ion exchange in brain tissue, induced currents in the body, and changes in the secretion of melatonin from the pineal gland (effects on circadian rhythm)."
The executive summary of the panel's report states:
"This review indicates that there is no convincing evidence in the published literature to support the contention that exposures to extremely low frequency electric and magnetic fields (ELF-EMF) generated by sources such as household appliances, video display terminals, and local power lines are demonstrable health hazards."
http://www.radiationcontrol.utah.gov/Board/emf_pos.htm
"In 2001, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a part of the World Health Organisation, classified power frequency magnetic fields as a “possible carcinogen”, based on recent epidemiological study findings which associate childhood leukemia with higher levels of exposure to residential magnetic fields. They comment that no scientific explanation has been established for the observed association."
“On balance, the scientific evidence does not indicate that exposure to 50 Hz EMFs found around the home, the office or near power lines is a hazard to human health.”
http://www.energex.com.au/network/emf/community_emf_approach.html
The Skeptics Dictionary on EMF: http://www.skepdic.com/emf.html
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10:40 am June 5, 2009
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Great reply Hannah and for the most part I agree that levels in the average household shouldn't pose any risk, certainly not to the point of what rubbish GH claims. However….
There are some appliances that can make you feel sick in close proximity for different reasons. One is an electric alarm clock near the bead head. Many of these have step down transformers to supply low voltage and spray a huge EM field out for quite a distance. This is often blamed for nausea etc but I believe this is a red herring. Many of these have a fluorescent display, the semiconductor circuits that drive them oscillate at all manner of both AUDIO and RF frequencies. That can easily give sensitives a headache and mess with their head.
In a similar fashion a fridge with an imbalanced motor will give off a low frequency vibration that could affect some people. I had an air conditioner like that once.
The circuitry in some things does break down and can "buzz". Again though this has an audible explanation, rather than EMF.
EMF at high levels and/or at high frequencies can be dangerous however, especially at short wavelengths. There are power and antenna height restrictions for Ham radio operators here in Australia over 100 watts.
Also remember what cooks your food in a microwave oven – electromagnetic fields at around 2 GigaHertz and up to 1000 watts. Fortunately for us it's contained in a faraday cage.
Refer again to my "fear cage" where I spend my free time. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6906/fearcage.jpg
You may be surprised to learn that the nastiest piece of equipment spewing EMF galore in this entire shot….. is the TV set. DC to daylight it doesn't care it blows EMF everywhere. By comparison the rest is chicken feed.
So, ask all those that claim to be EMF sensitive if they get sick watching TV. Note, there are cases where a TV set can induce epileptic seizures, but that's more to do with picture motion or the scanning refresh rate.
Everywhere, everyday we are bombarded with EMF. Most of the time there is no choice in the matter. Every radio and TV station, everyone's cell phone, your car, lawnmower, powertools, the Sun, the Earth, every lightning flash. There is no escape.
I often watch the background noise on VLF for a hobby with a PC spectrum analyser. It's running on the laptop in the far right of the pic. Wider frequency coverage spectrum analysers are becoming available now to see all that is out there up to several gigahertz. It's quite a revelation.
But back to the average household, nope, I don't buy it, not unless one sticks their head in a microwave oven.
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8:35 pm June 5, 2009
| Stephen
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I wrote a previous article on electromagnetic sensitivity summarizing my understanding of the current research. Summary: no compelling evidence for it so far.
People do vary in their susceptibility to high-frequency and low-frequency sounds. I remember that when I was much younger, there were particular buildings I couldn't enter because I found the high-pitched whines of the lights or the alarm system deafening.
Sometimes people bring in Persinger's experiments exposing the brain to particular patterns of magnetic fields. These are very interesting, but don't have much to do with EMF sensitivity, since Persinger uses computers to modulate his signals very precisely.
Not to say that your discomfort is in any way unreal. Something is causing your symptoms, and I don't know what. I wish you the best.
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12:27 pm September 14, 2009
| TasCat
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I quickly scanned Stephen's report, but one thing he failed to mention and a lot of people fail to mention is pretty obvious. The MRI scanner, Magnetic Resonance Imaging, I was told by the tech goes in the the thousands of gauss, and we are NOT warned about any of the symptoms mentioned by TAPS when we get one. The only one close that I saw when I recieved an MRI recently, was possible tattoo discomfort, and this would be in the "skin irritation" category, but this is when older red ink is used with a large concentrate of iron oxide in it. Even with this, this was busted on the Discovery show, Mythbusters.
Hallucinations were mentioned by the tech, when I listed some of TAPS' claims on EMF Sensitivity, but this was explained by obvious head injury or a mass on the brain causing the hallucinations. Also of course, there is claustrophobia, but that is due to the confined space and loud noises which can be disconcerting to them. No one ever reported seeing ghosts (even the tech who is around the thing all the time), felt they were being watched, had skin irritation, feelings of dread (except again in severe trauma, patients can feel this, a feeling of impending doom, something I learned as an EMT-A in my past, caused by shock from internal injuries and such).
Remember, this thing has to put out an Electro-Magnetic Field strong enough to see small injuries in soft tissue like muscle and ligaments, tendons as well as internal organs. But do people have any of the EMF Sensitivity claims I have heard, oh yeah, nausea as well…but can be attributied to head injury, common occurrence to someone with a concussion..to throw up and used as a symptom of concussion. But as for anything else not attributed to injury to the body or brain, the MRI Tech heard nothing. Nor is it listed as possible on the form you sign when you agree to the test. I had had a previous mri to the latest one, but this was before the Ghost Hunters phenomenon, of course I had nothing happen, except find out that I needed knee surgery. This time nothing happened except the fact I might now need shoulder surgery! I spent well over 30 minutes in this Ultra-Massive Fear Cage and had nothing happen. I didn't feel scared, didn't see anything out of the corner of my eyes, no skin irritation, but yet we have these guys with EMF detectors that measure in the milligauss and assure people that all these symptoms can be attributed to that. Hogwash. All of you who have had the necessity to get an MRI, think about it, unless your were claustrophobic, you probably felt nothing but annoyed at having to lie there motionless for 20-30 minutes listening to the thumping and humming over the music they try to let you listen to during the test.
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1:30 pm September 14, 2009
| Learjet
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Great post TasCat and welcome to the forum.
Yes MRI is one that I forgot about also. I wasn't particularly comfortable with the machine wen I had mine, but that was due to nerves. Can't say I had any of the cllaimed effects of high EMF either. I should have been seeing spooks all over the place.
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1:34 pm September 14, 2009
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Well said TasCat. After having a procedure recently, I too asked the tech who did a double take and said the same thing. One of the biggest problems with people who have closed MRIs is that they open their eyes during the MRI and panic – even those who are not claustrophobic. Personally, I am not and have had the procedure on a few occasions. That being said, I did open my eyes once and after that decided the open MRI was better for me. However, I always tell people who ask that the only requirement to have a successful MRI is to close your eyes and keep them shut until they take you out. It's no big deal. No one I know has ever had any of the symptoms we hear from GH. The biggest problem is lying flat on your back and trying to stay motionless for the procedure. To handle the thumping noises I just start a conversation in my head of how and what I want to say to my boss when I get back to work. That usually lasts for the entire procedure and fortunately stays in my head and is not verbalized when I get back to work because I need the insurance to pay for such a pricey procedure.
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10:42 am September 15, 2009
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I also have fibromyalgia (the so-called "fake" illness, according to so many doctors!) and chronic pain syndrome and I don't have any sensitivities to light or sound at all. Of course, fibromyalgia is such a "new" diagnosis that I'm not really sure all the potential symptoms have been identified, so this could have something to do with it after all.
Having had multiple MRI's, I too have never experienced anything remotely close to what J&G say could or should happen when exposed to high EMF's. Just a little claustrophobia, but I've also found the "eyes closed" route the best way to go.
I would really like to see J&G drop this theory from their roster of "debunks". I said as much on the TAPS18 forum and my post was promptly removed.
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10:49 am September 15, 2009
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angelayo1970,
I agree with you but I'm not surprised your post was removed. When it comes to people who have actually had these tests and can attest to nothing actually happening, it's a threat to them. I think that is truly the "fear cage" effect.
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8:28 pm September 15, 2009
| Stephen
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TasCat– good point on MRI scanners. My article was mostly a medical literature review, but I'll bet there have been plenty of studies on MRI side effects or lack thereof. I'll see about updating the article.
I've also heard MRI scanners used as a counterexample for magnetic bracelets that claim to have some kind of magnetic effect on the blood. If the iron in your bloodstream were magnetic, then every MRI would be a horror movie.
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5:22 am September 16, 2009
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I new to this site but not electronics.
When it comes to emf and its dangers, I would like to point out the warnings that are placed on some of the devices.
When I ran a Metrology Lab, There were certain places a pregnant Metrologist could not go in fear of damaging the developing baby.
Individual sensitivity to emf or signals is different in every individual. I was able to hear high pitch sounds of a failing capacitor, where my coworker could not.
This is purely speculation on my part, but just like a frequency could cause epileptic seizures, migraines, why can't people become ill to a frequency or range of frequencies. Similar to the reaction people get from finger nails on a chalk board? It is highly possible the suspect frequency is not audible.
Early in my career I ran into an individual who worked as a contract scientist for the navy. He told me that the study he and others did on low frequency, high current, was classified Top secret, and put away so no one could find out what damage at a cellular level it does.
He did warn me not to hang around transmitting devises any longer than it took to get the work done. He also told me to look into the career fields of people who have the highest rate of cancer. This was at the time electrical techs, and engineers.
I would also like to point out the military’s Non-Lethal Active Denial System (ADS). Some one has been studying how to effect the human body with transmitted waves.
Just some food for thought.
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6:57 am September 16, 2009
| Learjet
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Welcome to the board Saber.
One thing though…
" This is purely speculation on my part, but just like a frequency could cause epileptic seizures, migraines, why can't people become ill to a frequency or range of frequencies. Similar to the reaction people get from finger nails on a chalk board? It is highly possible the suspect frequency is not audible."
You are speaking of audio frequencies rather than radio frequencies. The physiological effects of certain audio frequencies can be quite profound. If I listen to a high pitch audio tone for any length of time I feel ill, become nauseous etc. However I have no problem with the same frequency as a radio wave.
The electro-hypersensitivity that the Ghost Hunters show go on about also refer to radio waves as they use LF AC EMF meters to detect them.
Obviously RF is dangerous at certain levels, but GH go on about all these side effects at ambient levels and that's what our gripe is about. .
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7:58 am September 16, 2009
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We do know that sound frequencies can cause all kinds of havoc with the human body, as noted with the anti-personnel (non-lethal) audio devices that are used to control crowds. These frequencies can drop a person very quickly, causing disorientation, nausea, all kinds of bad effects. This was seen on the Animal Planet show "Whale Hunters" when the device was used against people trying to get the Japanese whaling fleet to stop whaling by throwing "stink bombs" to taint the whale meat that was sold commercially after supposed "Scientific Testing" by the Japanese Whalers. A loophole in the treaty signed by whaling countries allows the country to determine how many whales it will harvest each year for such "scientific testing" and allows for the remains to be sold in commercial fish markets. At any rate, the device was pointed at a spotting helicopter used by the anti-whaling group (which was very dangerous, the guy operating the helicopter could have crashed into their own ships, but did have it's intended effect of getting the helicopter well away from the whaling fleet and keep it from coordinating small boats in their attempts to "taint" the meat
But these frequencies are far different from Electro-Magnetic Fields. Magnetism isn't included in the range of frequencies which radio, light and radiation emit. It's a force unto it's own so to speak, included in the likes of gravity and nuclear forces (in atoms, the binding forces). I mean to say, magnetism can be stronger than gravity, this is shown just by taking a magnet and using it to lift a nail off the ground, gravity couldn't hold the nail down, for that matter, gravity cannot hold old automobile hulks down from strong electo-magnets used in junk yards, another place I guess ghosts could congregate.
But maybe Natiive Inuits have it right, that the aurorae is the road for the ancestors, as it is the solar wind interacting with the Earth's own magnetic field…hmn. :)
But I do want to put a disclaimer in this, my explanation of magnetism compared to actual radiation (all frequencies, radio to light to gamma-rays) is explained rather crudely. I just don't buy the fact that an electro-magnetic field has anything to do with the paranormal and isn't a way to measure paranormal activity. I would be more interested in the light spectrums, like someone mentioned in a post concerning how GH is sliding backwards in technology to how GHI is going forward, ie. the ultra-violet camera. A spectrum of light we cannot see. But I did see my MRI images yesterday….and I couldn't even find a face matrixed in there anywhere…lol. Now if technicians started seeing extra arms and heads in MRI images of normal people (who didn't have a parasitic twin) there might be something to this EMF business. But all searches I've done for MRI side-effects, none were consistent with GHI claims of EMF sensitivity. If there was such a thing, I'm sure that this would be mentioned on the signs I saw or the forms I signed, ex: 1. You may have feelings of dread and someone watching you (besides the technician) during this procedure. 2. You may experience skin irritation, nausea, hallucinations, hearing voices or footsteps during the procedure as well. 3. Be prepared for a mind blowing experience and say "Hi" to ancestors.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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8:11 am September 16, 2009
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ps. And thanks for the warm welcome, I had posted on the web-comments, but not main forum, I saw the topic and had thought about this, so thought I would throw my 2 cents in there as well. BTW, I do believe in Fibromyalgia as I have Polymyositis and have to take morphine and percocet to help with the pain that causes, as I found out yesterday as well, it is likely the cause of the problems in my shoulder. My rheumatologist told me once that my muscles were like "cheap brisket" now, to explain the effects of the disease, full of fat and gristle…scar tissue, you could actually see this on the MRI when I had mentioned the "brisket" analogy to the orthopod. He said, "wow, pretty visual analogy", then proceded to show me exactly that in the MRI in my muscles. After telling me nothing could really be done about my shoulder…but physical therapy, which in the case of polymyositis, you work the muscle, it hurts more…a catch-22. But I also chatted with the nurse and physician's assistant about GH and the EMF claim, you could see on their faces it sounded pretty silly to them and said as much. Of course the Orthopod was too busy.
Also, I did want to say, I HAVE experienced a few things I cannot explain, so I am not trying to throw out that the possibility of ghosts existing is true. I just want better science, I will be interested to see if this new show "Ghost Lab" will be using EMF.
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8:04 pm September 16, 2009
| Learjet
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I didn't know about Ghost Lab. October 6, must mark it on the calender…
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6:33 am September 18, 2009
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"You are speaking of audio frequencies rather than radio frequencies. The physiological effects of certain audio frequencies can be quite profound. If I listen to a high pitch audio tone for any length of time I feel ill, become nauseous etc. However I have no problem with the same frequency as a radio wave."
Audio frequency, is just the frequency you can hear. It can be generated by a devise, or speaking.
The frequency is a unit of measuring Of periodic phenomenon in a unit of time. In specifying electrical frequency,, the unit of time is 1 second.
Hertz, Hz is a unit of frequency equal to 1 second.
As for audio, that is a range we can hear, but it is still frequency, ultraviolet, high frequency, low frequency, is still just units of measuring visible and none visible light.
When you run around with and emf meter you are looking for a leakage frequency, some meters read from 20hz-4000hz, for example. If you want to see pure magnetics try a simple compass, probably work like a divining rods.
The intensity, level, or voltage, or dB, or gauss, are also units of measure. They can be between, different mediums, wire, air, vacuums, etc.
As in epilepsy, a 15 Hz either radio wave or visual representation, such as properly spaced traffic cones can cause a seizure. The eye sees it as a 15 Hz rate. Police cars flashing lights can cause a similar effect, where an individual won't see the vehicle or police officer on the side of the road and nearly or hit them. How many people who hit the police car say they didn't see them.
Now for fingers on a chalk board, I haven't measured it but most likely it is a series of frequencies including multiple harmonics. All in the audio, and none audio ranges.
As for measuring emf, is anyone here aware that the electric company uses the earth as a return from a transformer on a light pole to its substation? If the soil is extremely dry, this current can go back up into a building, if in its path. If wet, normally no problem. Also power companies voltage isn't steady, I have seen it down to around 100 v, and up to 130 v. This can reek havoc on electrical devices.
Grounding in a building can also be different, I have measured 5 v different between ground wires in receptacles in a single room.
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7:18 am September 18, 2009
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I was looking for a good definition of fibromyalgia and all I see are general definitions, it seems the DRs don't have a clue. It looks like they treat the symptom, and are baffled of the cause. I know there are different levels of pain between people that they can withstand. In my house I and my 2 youngest sons can handle a lot, but my wife and oldest have no threshold of pain. Hell, I swear a fly landing on them cause pain.
This is purely speculation on my part. If the vibration from a signal sourse shakes the nerves, I wonder if it can cause pain to you. This may not be a factor to others.
chrispycritters, Curious what kind of pain can you handle?
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7:53 am September 18, 2009
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All comments noted and I agree Saber.I understand what you are saying. However in the context of the GH show…
With epilepsy (and migraine sufferers) the frequency or strobe effect does cause those sensitive to it major problems. As humans we have a sensor for it – our eyes.
The difference between audio – AF and RF isn't the frequency or oscillations of a sine wave per second. As we know we can have both/either at the same frequency. The difference is how the wave is propagated, but most importantly in the context of discussing EHS, as humans one of these we have a sensor for (audio – our ears) and one we don't (RF nor magnetic). I believe some birds and one or two other animals do for magnetic.
To make a point, using a signal generator, generate a loud high pitch tone, say around 3000-6000 Hertz and put it near your sensor – ears. Discomfort should follow within a short period of time.
Next using the same frequency at the same level inject it into a transducer capable of radiating RF but not AF. Place near any part of the body you like. Since as humans we have no sensor for RF, there should be zero effect. At least short term. I would be very surprised to find a human with an inbuilt RF sensor.
What Ghost Hunters are saying when they run around with their AC/RF and magnetic EMF meters, is that everyday levels of radiation from wires and appliances cause nausea, hallucinations, skin irritation etc etc. Like Penn and Teller we say male bovine digested grass! You get more exposure to radiation from watching TV! And as mentioned above I think the MRI takes the cake for magnetic output. For these reasons I don't buy EHS.
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11:31 am September 18, 2009
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"As for measuring emf, is anyone here aware that the electric company uses the earth as a return from a transformer on a light pole to its substation? If the soil is extremely dry, this current can go back up into a building, if in its path. If wet, normally no problem. Also power companies voltage isn't steady, I have seen it down to around 100 v, and up to 130 v. This can reek havoc on electrical devices.
Grounding in a building can also be different, I have measured 5 v different between ground wires in receptacles in a single room."
I am just a bit confused by this statement, aren't substations the fenced off areas with all kinds of electrical devices topped with non-conductive ceramic tops? Or do you mean the grey boxes found around neighborhoods with the "high voltage" stickers? Sure we see transformers on poles which reduce the amperage and voltage to lines to the various dwellings in the area. But how in the world does this correlate with electricity going back to these places using the earth or soil, seems to me this would be a bit dangerous, especially if the soil is wet, as many people who have been in the area of a lightning strike have found out. This electricity has no where to go, and the soil stops the current after a certain radius depending on the condition of the soil, so people close to the strike get thrown and stunned or if struck, even killed, lightning being the biggest killer of people due to severe weather of all. So I am a bit confused.
Also, regarding the voltage difference, it sounds like you were checking different outlets in rooms, but were devices being used in other parts of the room on the same circuit? This could affect the variances you found. High voltage does wreak havoc on electrical devices, usually from a power surge, which is why we should all have surge protectors on our devices we wish to keep, like our comps and HDTV's. This usually happens again with a lightning strike, or a transformer giving out and blowing up, as we all have probably heard and jumped out of our seats as the lights flicker or go out. The power companies try very hard to keep voltage in a certain range with these transformers to provide us with electricity, they do have surge protectors on them as well (circuit breakers) to prevent a mass killing of computers and electronics in our homes.
RE: the devices used to put people down using audio waves (LRAD) Long Range Acoustical Device, that was used vs the Whale Conservation Group by the Japanese it seems was a bit misused (besides using it vs a flying helicopter), it's intended use was just for seconds at a time "
Carl Gruenler, (former) vice president of military and government operations for American Technology Corp. (and who now runs a company making a competing device), says that being within 90 metres (98 yd) of the device is extremely painful, but its use should be limited to 270 metres (300 yd) to be effectively used. He concedes that the device is powerful enough to cause permanent auditory damage, but that it is only meant to be used for a few seconds at a time.
Visual parts of the spectrum can be harmful to Epileptics as stated above, but generally have to be flashing or pulsing, not just one part of the spectrum on continuously, say the color blue. Our eyes are very limited compared to some other species of animals, and if we think about it, can decieve us very easily, after all, they are limited only to the visual spectrum of light and aren't very powerful, wouldn't it be interesting to see objects as they really are on the atomic level? We are just walking masses of different molecules interacting with other molecules, we are all connected in a soup of atoms, some more dense than others (not intellectually speaking), and some moving much faster than others. I guess this is what drives physicists to understand our world. On the atomic level, our universe is one. I guess to me that's pretty wild. Are there remnants of former beings still in this atomic soup? Conscious or a memory of what once was, still repeating itself due to factors we cannot see? I don't know, I do know that magnetism doesn't cause the symptoms as reported by GH.
I also know that limestone shouldn't be included with quartz as a possible medium for taping events "so to speak", Quartz is a crystal created by an igneous process, as is granite, however limestone is a sedimentary rock, created by sediments high in calcium deposits usually from ancient reefs and layers of old shells from seabeds long gone. You often can still see shell fossils in limestone and sandstone, which is common in the midwest. Where of course there was once a large inland sea, anyone driving through the midwest on the interstates, can often see the layers of limestone and sandstone in the paths carved out of the hills for the roads. But heck, if you squeeze and compress limestone long enough, you get marble. A metamorphic rock. However, sandstone can contain a lot of quartz, depending on where it comes from, as granite and other igneous rocks containing quartz crystals are eroded, you can get sandstone with a good amount of quartz. Or you can get sandstone that is just that, sand without so much quartz, there is a lot of sandstone around where I live in Kansas, many buildings are made of it, of course you can go up and look at the buildings closely and actually see shells fossilized in it.
Does this make the building more susceptible to ghosts? I really doubt it. I would really be worried about the dead mausosaurs making a meal of me! If we have ghost reptiles anyway. A little off topic though, but in the realm of magnetism creating ghosts, or vice versa, to where GH claims certain types of rock can record events. We would have to consider beaches prime ghost territory for the silica they contain which in turn is turned computer chips? Hmn. There is a phenomenon where possibly tectonic strain somehow caused a visible phenomenon, but this is more in ufo theory. I just wanted to say that these far out theories producing hauntings, to me, is well…pretty far out there…like that "apparition having no place to go, but through the books" in the GH episode Wednesday. But I will head to that topic to see is people agree with what I thought I saw.
Sorry for the multi-topic post, but I kind of got on a roll, which happens to me a lot, hopefully, you can excuse that, and again, the link to the range of electromagnetic radiation, not to be confused with a field, is below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
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