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9:58 am
November 15, 2009


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Nosfer said:

And then there's the old axiom that the level of difficulty in keeping something secret is directly proportional to the SQUARE of the number of people involved.


I've always believed it's not a secret if more then one person knows it Laughing

Curious that the number of small events - like the papers sliding off the edge of the box in the Clovis house - dropped considerably when Techmangler Steve started keeping his hands in his pockets, then started carrying around a notepad. 

My guess is that we had a staging crew consisting of two men acting  independantly.

1:18 pm
November 15, 2009


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alicat said:

Orion,

What I do for a living is of absolutely no concern.  This is not the forum to discuss me and frankly, I don't appreciate the comment, funny as you think it is in your head.

However I can tell you that when you sign up for a show, you know the rules and you know the pecking order of things.  Donna, Andy and Brian joined TAPS of their own free will.  They signed on to the show of their own free will.  Jason & Grant were always in charge.  Big surprise they get the lion's share when GH went into production!  To frame this in a job reference fashion, if you were offered a job in a company whose founders and principal investors were the President and Vice President, would you expect to be the leader of the company and make as much money or garner as much fame as them for the company's success?  I don't think so.  Would you leave your job because the President and Vice President were making more money?  I think not.  So why complain?  You knew the deal when you approached them and subsequently signed up.  There was a President and Vice President and you are the employee.  This isn't brain surgery.

And frankly, I've worked for people that are very successful in the entertainment business and have won Emmys, Oscars, etc.  I'm not the least bit jealous nor would I walk out because my work contributed to their success.  I was hired to work for them and I knew my job within the company.  I don't judge my success by theirs nor am I jealous of theirs.  I wouldn't even think to put myself in their shoes.

Just because you've seen contracts and can't make heads or tails of them, doesn't mean someone else cannot.  Just like someone reading a schematic - there are those that can and those that can't.  There are many who would say that's all a bunch of junk.  Granted you could take that to any bloodsucker who can draw it and charge a lot of money for their services as well.  Problem is, people are too lazy to find the right person to do the job.  Guess that's why there are a lot of badly drawn schematics read or unread.


Easily offended much? My post in no way attempted to steer the conversation toward you in any significant manner whatsoever..in fact, it's called a rhetorical question.  Don't flatter yourself. There is no call for hyper-sensitivity and drama here; I don't appreciate that.  That emoticon was simply there to denote my post as playful, with no ill-intent. If you wish to continue this, we'll do it via PM.

I realize that just because I've seen contracts that I can't make sense of is no reason to logically conclude that no one can, and I never said as much. My point was simply that some - actually, many to most- people cannot.  Bottom line is that people are at the mercy of the lawyers, whether their own or the other partys'.  That was my primary point.  "He who has himself as a lawyer has a fool for a client".  People should not try to decipher legalese themselves (without legal training), so it comes down to her laywer, if she got one.  She also may not have had the money to get a lawyer, or at least, a good one. Therefore, I have a degree of sympathy for her.  Somewhat. Not 100%, but some.

I also never expected Donna (and I don't believe she did either) to get an equal share of the pie when TAPS went "Hollywood", that'd be inane.  Naturally J & G are going to get a bigger share.  But I think what she's complaining about is that, even within the terms of the contract, whatever little wiggle room there was, she was taken advantage of.  IOW, just because a signee or signature "reserves the right" to do something does not necessarily mean they have to act on it.

Sure, she could have walked away from the whole thing, right there and then, when TAPS was first approached.  But I doubt many people would have turned down the chance to be on TV, not to mention the money that was coming in for better gear and stuff. (Although the vast majority of that appears to have gone to the trucks!  Their use of cheap gear like K2s and Sperry meters is laughable when they could afford much better).

I will agree that she's contradicted herself on the whole drama angle.  At first, she did proclaim it would stir up a hornets nest, but now, that was not her intention?  Hmmm…

3:26 pm
November 15, 2009


Orion

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D. LaCroix has more to say on the interview.

I think this addresses a few things..

http://scifake.com/?p=2501

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Donna’s Letter

Hi, this is Donna LaCroix, former TAPS, GH, and GH member. The purpose of this article is to set the story straight on my interview on 11/11/09 with the “Ghost Divas”. Also, I want to thank Ron for given me the forum to explain my side, as I see it clearly has been misinterpreted everywhere.

First off, I’m not perfect. I can say things off the cuff without clearly explaining what I mean. Writing is my forte as I have time to see and write exactly what I want. Now I’m not backtracking here, but I want a few things clarified:

Assumptions From Donna’s Interview With TAPS:

  1. TAPS fakes evidence and Donna knows of a staging team that is part of the crew that does this. (So, please Dan, take down the You Tube please).

    Answer: NO! I never said I caught them staging things. I said I had a turning point moment where I saw something I considered staged and it upset me to an incredibly disappointing point. And I never heard of TAPS having a “staging crew” on their Ghost Hunters show until it was mentioned in the interview. And I said it in the interview. I have since verified that they DO NOT have a staging crew.

  2. Donna and other almost went bankrupt after leaving the show:

    I left the show abruptly because I have Crohn’s disease and it came out of remission while filming. We all had a hectic, crazy schedule and it got to me. I ended up internally bleeding and flew back to the states and my doctor and was in the hospital. At the time, I had no insurance because Pilgrim pays by 1099 and gives no medical insurance. Also because I was overseas and my checks from Pilgrim were not direct deposited (as I was promised they would be), my rent was late 3 months in a row and I was evicted. I had nowhere to go but my parents. And now no job.I don’t blame my illness on Pilgrim. But not having my checks not direct deposited got me evicted and caused my credit to take a huge hit. Luckily I had to dip into some of my retirement savings and get myself back on my feet. But, when you are dumped into the worst economy out there, it was hard to find a decent job. I finally did, but it was 8 months later.

    I also know that Andy was facing some tough financial times as well as Brian. I don’t want to go into their personal ordeals; it is not my business to do so.

  3. Asked about scandals but didn’t go into detail:

    Yes, I was asked about scandals and yes they happened, and NO I wasn’t going to mention the nature of them because I didn’t want to hurt or exploit the people involved. We all make mistakes, including myself, so that was a question I couldn’t speak about.

  4. Addressing The Contract With Pilgrim

    Yes, I should have gotten a better lawyer. I did have a separate lawyer look at it and ok it. I also had Andy and Brian look at it (since ours were all identical) and their lawyer friend’s look at it.What wasn’t told to us by Pilgrim was that it was going to be a domestic show with an international pilot to kick things off. Ok we thought, but then the schedule had us doing all international investigations. This WE should have gotten in writing but didn’t. We assumed we were being told the truth.

    We were also told we could pick our own investigators to put a great team together. That didn’t happen either. We met our co-workers, Robb Demarest, and Shannon Sylvia at the airport. Shannon was part of the TAPS family team New England Paranormal at the time and Robb was part of Florida Ghost Team at the time. I met Shannon briefly on a filmed investigation the year before up in her end of the woods, but we didn’t know each other. Robb, we had never met before.

  5. Filming Paranormal Shows:

    They have one goal in mind: entertainment. Need I say more? I wish I realized that because I wasn’t aware that that would be the forefront of the show. I thought they were really interested in what we did: paranormal investigating. But that wasn’t the case. I was naïve and I’m to blame for that. ALL paranormal shows must produce excitement for its viewers.How this hurt the paranormal community: It gives them the wrong ideas about how to investigate. However, the show is only really 43 minutes (without commercials) and a good investigations takes weeks to do properly. In 43 minutes in watching the show, you have to give the audience something to come back for more. That’s the way it works. Scared team members, strong fearless leaders, and stuff that may be happening in the location = hit show. That’s a formula now used by all shows. If you keep in mind that these are ENTERTAINMENT shows, then they are excused from keeping the beat. This isn’t a new concept, look at the shows were there was no doubt things had been a little out of line, like CollarGate, for example. We all know that one. Not going to even get into it.

    In the beginning, most of us didn’t know how it went. That is why Season 1 was so great and gets played a lot. There was this organic chemistry (that was really the way the TAPS team was, we all are very eccentric people). And yes, we were like a little family. We met at a coffee shop every week to discuss investigations, and had meetings, etc. We were friends for a unified cause. No one can every deny us of that. The TAPS team, even before I came on board, was like a family and had been through so much together in terms of investigations and what they had seen and gone through. There was a trust there. We did a lot of laughing and hanging out, we got serious when we had to, but there was no need to perform.

    And that “it” factor that we just had with the excitement of showing people nationwide how we operate. We were riding on the energy of who we all were and what we could teach people. We had no idea that things were to get big, and ultimately change. No idea whatsoever.

    And if I had known up front, and knew what production companies were all about, I would have denied being in the cast. I’m NOT saying it was because TAPS lied or they pulled any tricks, but if that was going to happen I did not want my name associated with it. And of course, the production company wants to make money, and keep ratings high, all do. They put quite a bit of pressure on the leaders to make that happen.

    Now, had we been a fictitious group of investigators playing the role of actors, and not using our own image and name, I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. When all is said in done, I’ll always be known as Ghost Hunter Donna, not to say that is really bad, but I can’t be associated with a production company who uses my identity like that. I’m a very private person, despite the fact that I was on TV. I’m sure Jason and Grant and the others have traded in their privacy to do the show. That is A LOT to sacrifice.

    In the interview, I must say I felt a bit pressured to answer some hard questions, I really wasn’t prepared. I’m not blaming the Divas, I’m blaming myself for not well-thought out answers. But it is hard to answer honestly a question while not character assassinating someone else. That is the last thing that I’m about.

    So, in conclusion, I am sorry if I didn’t answer accurately the questions were asked. I listened to it over and over, and I paused A LOT, because there were some very incriminating questions, no doubt.

    I never meant to hurt anyone. I admit, I answered some questions without really thinking them out. I’m over being hurt by it. I’m woman enough to admit that. I really didn’t know the interview was going to be about getting the dirt on GH and GHI and TAPS. I thought I’d be asked what I am doing now, what I’ve been up to. So, I just went with the flow.

    I’m not taking any of my interview back, just clearing up some very misconstrued comments I made. I was appalled to see a YouTube had been made about this, which highlighted the inaccuracies of my comments even more.

4:40 pm
November 15, 2009


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Frankly Orion, I have no interest or wish to waste my time addressing any issues on or off SV.  I stand by what I said.  We all have our opinions on what we have heard, read and posted.  I also see now the backpedaling has begun.

5:53 pm
November 15, 2009


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190 minutes in and I was too bored. I'll have to just read the posts.

POST EDITED: HipKat, We prefer the term 'Kris's enhancement'.

1:13 pm
November 16, 2009


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I know nothing about the private lives of the GH or GHI members but I was curious if it is being hinted to that Kris got her lets says "Boobs enhanced" also I keep reading about Kris and Jay having some kind of hook-up is all of this true? I never pay that much attetnion to everyones appearance on the show so what was said about Kris's enhancement cracked me up.

9:02 am
November 17, 2009


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Nosfer said:

Jason's Response:

scifake.com/?p=2488

Not so much a response as a "statement" since it appears that Pilgrim and/or SyFy is preparing a response. It is good to hear that they will because that allows us to hear all sides and see what falls out from it.


Well that about wraps it up folks ….

The internet sanitation crew have been at work on Jason's comments, they have disappeared from his Tweets and SciFakes post of his response.  Donnas comments on MySpace have evaporated.   SyFy has not responded, not that they would have any real knowledge of any shenanigans in any case.

Nothing to see here, go back to your daily lives.

9:26 am
November 17, 2009


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The Doctor said:


Well that about wraps it up folks ….

The internet sanitation crew have been at work on Jason's comments, they have disappeared from his Tweets and SciFakes post of his response.  Donnas comments on MySpace have evaporated.   SyFy has not responded, not that they would have any real knowledge of any shenanigans in any case.

Nothing to see here, go back to your daily lives.


Not so much an "internet sanitation crew" but definitely by Jason and Donna personally.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist here to figure out why.  Looks like all communication was directed in private to the individuals concerned and probably under threat of breach of confidentiality.  Donna somewhat alluded to that during her interview.

Syfy won't comment because it's a Pilgrim problem.  Any conversation between the network and production company, even if it did exist, would be extremely minor and strictly between them so don't expect to hear a thing.

And, quite frankly, haven't similar comments such as "go back to your daily lives" been said in one way or another since the beginning of this thread to all parties?  I repeat what I and others have said:  there was no smoking gun here folks.  What we heard and saw were just overzealous people with an axe to grind.

9:35 am
November 17, 2009


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So, this was a classic example of the 'Dallas Syndrome'.
It didn't really happen, it was all a dream.

9:53 am
November 17, 2009


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alicat said:

The Doctor said:


Well that about wraps it up folks ….

The internet sanitation crew have been at work on Jason's comments, they have disappeared from his Tweets and SciFakes post of his response.  Donnas comments on MySpace have evaporated.   SyFy has not responded, not that they would have any real knowledge of any shenanigans in any case.

Nothing to see here, go back to your daily lives.


Not so much an "internet sanitation crew" but definitely by Jason and Donna personally.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist here to figure out why.  Looks like all communication was directed in private to the individuals concerned and probably under threat of breach of confidentiality.  Donna somewhat alluded to that during her interview.

Syfy won't comment because it's a Pilgrim problem. 


Not sanitized ?  Then why remove anything at all ? Or better yet, why would Jason say anything at all - then take it all away ?   Or even better, just what reason would Donna have to remove her entire webpage ? 

What possible reason could Scifake have to remove their copies ?

Jason said that SyFy would respond, not Pilgrim, I doubt he simply made that up.

Jason, Donna, and Scifake did not suddenly decide on their own to make it go away - someone was there with whips or lollipops to make it happen.

10:00 am
November 17, 2009


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Doc,

I never said it was not sanitized.  I said it was Jason and Donna who did their own and I'm sure, at their request, others did the same.  It's called fear of a lawsuit and not wanting to bite the hand that can feed you.  I can't speak for Jason but why he would think Syfy would respond in public is beyond me (if he did at all) but then he has said many things in the past I haven't believed as well.  Have you?  From the posts I've seen, I think not.

What I have said and I'll say it again is, this is Pilgrim's fight.  Syfy and Pilgrim may "talk" amongst themselves but they buy the project from Pilgrim.  It's their ball of wax.  Simple as that.

10:01 am
November 17, 2009


Nosfer

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We had Manson, we had Halloween 08, and now we have "this" There's no reason to expect that in a few weeks or less it will be any different after this and life will go on. Not everything has been sanitized, though, in fact, major remnants exist in this very thread lol

As for SyFy responding vs Pilgrim, I sure thought Jason indicated both, not JUST SyFy.

10:05 am
November 17, 2009


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Excellent points Nosfer!

10:40 am
November 17, 2009


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alicat said:

 I can't speak for Jason but why he would think Syfy would respond in public is beyond me (if he did at all) but then he has said many things in the past I haven't believed as well. 


LOL … there you go …

…maybe it never even happened, after all it dosen't make sense that it would have happened

Do a google search for 

"I was asked not to respond about it directly from Syfy and Pilgrim"

and see how many of those pages no longer exist.

10:57 am
November 17, 2009


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Yet some DO exist still, even on SyFy (for now lol) Grab it while you can!

http://forums.syfy.com/index.php?showtopic=2333461&st=140&start=140

10:58 am
November 17, 2009


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The Doctor said:

alicat said:

 I can't speak for Jason but why he would think Syfy would respond in public is beyond me (if he did at all) but then he has said many things in the past I haven't believed as well. 


LOL … there you go …

…maybe it never even happened, after all it dosen't make sense that it would have happened

Do a google search for 

"I was asked not to respond about it directly from Syfy and Pilgrim"

and see how many of those pages no longer exist.


Why bother?  This is a non-starter.  You actually made my point.  "I was asked not to respond about it directly from Syfy and Pilgrim".  Does it say Syfy or Pilgrim is responding and does it say in public?  No, it doesn't.  He was just asked not to respond.  I can't blame him for saying something.  It's human nature and understandable and, in all fairness to Jason, his response was measured and rational and not at all venomous unlike some of the comments that have been made.

11:05 am
November 17, 2009


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"I was asked not to respond about it directly from Syfy and Pilgrim, They want to write something up and release it. We have nothing to hide so I am comfortable with that."

Edited: We'll just have to wait and see if they actually DO release anything, that will be the true measure of whether or not they are going to actually respond in public. If they do, we have another side to look at…if they don't, then we're back to where we were a few days ago and we pull out the popcorn and watch GH and GHA like we normally would have :)

12:01 pm
November 17, 2009


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I think the moral of this story is "Ignorance is bliss."

  • The GH die-hards probably have no clue any of this even went on.  If they did they will just blame Donna as disgruntled ex-TAPS member
  • J&G will pretend it never happened.  
  • The evidence "disappears" from the internet.

In a month no one will remember.  Life goes on.


12:07 pm
November 17, 2009


Orion

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I highly doubt we'll see anything at this point, it appears dead in the water.  SciFake.com removed all their references to the issue at Donna's bequest, citing her health -she has Crohn's disease, and, apparently, all the hubbub has caused a flareup and pain.  While this seems rather convenient to me, on one hand, OTOH, I realize it's also credible;  it's also a really lousy thing to live with and I wouldn't wish it on an enemy. Of course, it could be a combination of things, some spoken, some unspoken.

I highly doubt we'll see Brian or Andy "come forth" either, after this whole debacle.   If there are any beans to spill,  looks like we'll have to wait until A) The GH franchise is no more and totally milked out  (including possible syndication), or B) someone makes a deathbed confession.

Oh wait, there's a "C" Option:  The series runs it's course, then J& G write a tell-all book and Pilgrim gets a huge chunk of the royalites. That'd be a good read.


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