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DONNA LACROIX Speaks out

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9:50 am
November 14, 2009


alicat

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The Doctor said:

First off, she dosen't OWE fans of the show anything … ever, and the attempt to give her some kind of guilt trip is pretty poor.

He says .." In my opinion, credibility goes down hill faster than an Olympic skier if you can’t provide fact"

So what does that mean then ?   Since Donna was not prepared to tell all, they now have no choice but to believe that GH is telling the truth ?   … that she really didn't suspect anything funky in the editing  ?

SciFake is not going to get anyone to open up by attempting to use a crowbar on the first little cracks.


Doc,

Nosfer is absolutely correct.  No one here is saying that Donna owes anyone anything.  However, if you have something to say and can prove, say it and prove it or keep it shut.  Being coy and teasing does not serve anyone well in any situation.  It just proves you are coy.  It's then I suspect someone's motives.

9:57 am
November 14, 2009


BrendaLee

Thousand Oaks, CA

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I don't know if Brian or Andy will want to speak up after watching the quick and frenzied reaction to this interview Donna gave.  Feels like blood in the water.

I think she is entitled to speak as much or as little as she sees fit.  She just needs to realize that she is opening herself up to criticism from many sides.

That said, I respect what I've seen of Donna and think she always came across as a thoughtful woman – not just a damsel in distress.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Dr. Seuss

10:09 am
November 14, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

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alicat said:

Doc,

Nosfer is absolutely correct.  No one here is saying that Donna owes anyone anything.  However, if you have something to say and can prove, say it and prove it or keep it shut.  Being coy and teasing does not serve anyone well in any situation.  It just proves you are coy.  It's then I suspect someone's motives.


"No one here is saying that Donna owes anyone anything. "   

Nope, but isn't that just what you are feeling ? … isn't that why people are upset ?  … don't people feel cheated ?  That she OWES you the full story since she gave you some hints of what it might be ?

.

Sure I'd like it if she came out swinging and opened up on them with all sorts of good dirt, but that's not ever gonna happen if the people that she thinks would be supportive of her start slamming her for not laying it all out at once.

Her motives could and should be what's best for her, and if she's created some buzz that may get her a book deal or a chushy position somewhere, I say good for her.

10:12 am
November 14, 2009


Nosfer

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By her not saying which show, she then opens up the speculation box even farther. She has already said there was _A_ show that had problems…what is gained by not saying "_______" show had problems? Naming names? Maybe not directly but giving the name of the show might implicate certain people? But is that worse than opening up speculation on a number of other people who may be completely guiltless?

Yes, she is entitled to saying as much or as little as she wants…but then I (and everyone else) am/is entitled to react accordingly.

She is correct, though, in that I don't really see this as the smoking gun. What do we know now that we didn't know three days ago…Nada, zilch, naught, nothing.

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10:14 am
November 14, 2009


alicat

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BrendaLee,

Thanks for posting Donna's comments.  I was posting at the same time so I didn't get a chance to read your post.  My responses were primarily in reference to Formerghfan link and previous statements.  I reserve my judgment on some of her comments but I will say, she is spot on with the damsel in distress description.  I never saw Donna as that type of figure.  Perhaps that became part of the Pilgrim GH mentality as it seems that is the direction they have taken and, from my perspective, it is quite belittling and annoying to watch.

10:28 am
November 14, 2009


alicat

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The Doctor said:

"No one here is saying that Donna owes anyone anything. "   

Nope, but isn't that just what you are feeling ? … isn't that why people are upset ?  … don't people feel cheated ?  That she OWES you the full story since she gave you some hints of what it might be ?

.

Sure I'd like it if she came out swinging and opened up on them with all sorts of good dirt, but that's not ever gonna happen if the people that she thinks would be supportive of her start slamming her for not laying it all out at once.

Her motives could and should be what's best for her, and if she's created some buzz that may get her a book deal or a chushy position somewhere, I say good for her.


No.  I don't think anyone knows how I'm feeling as I don't feel cheated and I'm certainly not upset.  This isn't my life.  It's a television show.  But when people who sign up for celebrity, in any walk of life, make comments in public about dishonesty, I expect them to prove to me with facts and not innuendo.  If you feel you have the need to say something, then say it flat out or shut it.  This holds true for anyone and not just Donna.  However, those that try to use coy motives to "create some buzz" for whatever reason aren't generally well looked upon or offered that cushy position somewhere because of those motives as it may come back to bite them in the *** as well.

10:32 am
November 14, 2009


Nosfer

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Her comments are pretty much a non-event unless she's going to provide additional information. Jason and Grant have already admitted that there was a show that had problems…Donna's comments, therefore, are nothing new; yet people seem to be taking them as the Great Unplugging.

Funny how skepticism is sometimes a one-way street, isn't it?

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10:42 am
November 14, 2009


alicat

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Nosfer,

I agree.  Frankly, all the "hype" of the first link was what got this started and that's why I said I had a problem with it from my very first post.  Certainly this was no smoking gun or am I a member of a different site now? 

11:33 am
November 14, 2009


The Doctor

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If nothing else it got the   SkepticalViewer : Next Generation   , those who tuned in late and never heard of any controversy surrounding past TAPS members a little idea of what went, and may be still going on.

I'm waiting for the      Ghost Divas/ Skeptical Viewer    crossover podcast.

11:47 am
November 14, 2009


BrendaLee

Thousand Oaks, CA

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Or the Donna Podcast.  There would be less discussion of cosmetic surgery. Undecided

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Dr. Seuss

11:48 am
November 14, 2009


alicat

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Oh no!  You had to go there Doctor!

Another "crossover"?!!!!  Laughing

12:21 pm
November 14, 2009


blinddog

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Time to implement Occam's Razor here.

Sour grapes, people, sour grapes.

" Take the red pill ".

12:25 pm
November 14, 2009


StanTheMan

Lincoln, RI

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Jason response on Twitter – is he pointing at Pilgrim?:

Jchawes   As for those asking if I heard radio thing. a bit. Not concerned at all.TAPS has never done anything wrong. People can say what they want.

12:46 pm
November 14, 2009


alicat

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As was pointed out to me, notice Jason says TAPS and not GH……

1:07 pm
November 14, 2009


BrendaLee

Thousand Oaks, CA

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I think Jason feels secure in his own mind no matter what.  TAPS, GH .. a rose is a rose …

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Dr. Seuss

1:10 pm
November 14, 2009


alicat

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Yes, selling out for a paycheck does tend to do that.

1:31 pm
November 14, 2009


Orion

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I think a lot of you are being entirely too hard on her.

She doesn't owe anyone anything, and she's free to say as little or as much as she chooses.  Well, maybe.. Pilgrim/SyFy do have powerful lawyers. Just because a lot of people are jonesing for that final smack down doesn't mean she has some obligation to them. Maybe she's cracked the door open for Andy or Brian to come forth, if they have anything.

And it's quite easy to sign a contract and not know what you're getting into, that's why it's called "legalese".  Look at Billy Joel, for example.. there's plenty examples of otherwise intelligent people getting scammed in contracts.  And what's she going to do anyway: she gets offered a part in a nat'l TV show, her whole group is going in on this, you think she's going to decline the contract and quit the group??  Ever hear of peer pressure? We'd all probably do the same thing.

I also think her choice of venue was honest, if not wise:  had she come out of the gate with a book, she instantly be accused of simply trying to make money off a sob story.  If people think she's disgruntled now (and who would blame her?) what would a book deal look like?

Having an open mind is a two way street.

1:32 pm
November 14, 2009


Nosfer

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Trying to listen to the whole podcast (Botox and surgery seems to be pretty high on the list of important issues)

She says there was a lot of editing going on (in this unnamed episode) Looking at the dates of episodes and when GHI started etc, I'd be willing to bet this WAS the Manson episode. Like I said, who cares, well known problems and problems that WERE ACKNOWLEDGED at least by Grant. Grant even promised to look into it, too….he never followed through, though. If so, then as I said, non-event. Not even a gun here, let alone one with smoke pouring out the barrel.

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2:03 pm
November 14, 2009


alicat

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Orion,

Hard on Donna?  Not exactly.

As far as people getting taken advantage of in their contracts, those are the ones who don't read what they sign.  They stupidly hire people to read and advise and allow themselves to be put up on a pedestal, surrounding themselves with "yes" men who rarely are out for the best interest of their boss but only their own paycheck.  It's like a shell game.  The more you insulate yourself in a celebrity world, the more you will find the money is draining away slowly but surely.

Recent case in point, Nicholas Cage.  Because he didn't use the two eyes given to him to read and review anything he now claims he's "broke".  No sympathy from me.  Intelligent people do not get scammed in contracts.  Intelligent people read what is before them and have the intelligence to put structures in place to avoid getting scammed in any business venture.

And sorry, peer pressure is a lousy excuse.  I wouldn't do the same thing.  Peer pressure may work while you are in school but not out in the real world.  Signing a contract is a serious business decision.  The same holds true if you are buying a house, a car, etc.  It's your responsibility to know what you sign and have the proper individuals advising you.  If not, it's your fault.


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