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10:10 am
April 4, 2009


Nosfer

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I don't see any evidence of reverse footage, however I did find another example of editing. Big Editing!

The light is alternating…It's off, it goes on, it goes off etc.

Then we have:

Grant: If you are younger than 10 can you turn on that light for us
Light goes on
Grant: What does that make him, nine, are you nine years old?
Brit: That's insane
Grant: Are you still here with us?
Flashlight is OFF at this point. It doesn't TURN off, it is simply OFF
Light goes on again.

Of course, they do say they asked if he liked to play with a ball etc, so those responses were (for some reason) not shown. Why, that's some of the most "compelling" evidence caught in the episode but they choose instead to fill the time with scenes of Steve and Tango yelling "Burrito, Taco, El Pollo Loco" and any other Spanish words they can come up with.

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5:51 pm
April 4, 2009


alicat

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First, let me say, as a woman, I too noticed Kris' new look.  My guess is that is why she wasn't at the live show on Halloween.  (I am trying to be ladylike and refrain from making a joke here so insert your own.)  Okay, here's one that may not be obvious but . . . it gives new meaning to "endowment for the arts"?  Arts?  Okay that's a stretch but I won't go any further.

Second, I just re-watched the explanation in the theatre the host gave as to the shooting.  Here's what the host said:

"And between 1923 and 1926 there was a really heated Board of Directors meeting.  One of the members shot one of our presidents in the face" (then there appears to be an edit because the following doesn't match the flow of her statement or make any sense) "and people think the disfigured face of somebody that's blown their face off".  Then she starts talking about standing at the back of the theatre.  Her stories don't match - 1) someone shot someone in the face and 2) somebody that's blown their face off.  Which is it and why the change?

Third, as far as the flashlight, after reading all the comments here and Nosfer's frame by frame analysis, I took a re-look and agree 100%.  Editing, editing and more editing.  I looked at every scene the flashlight turned on and off, frame by frame, and there is absolutely no way that flashlight twisted to turn on or off or that they would see it in the "dark".  Impossible!  I found it interesting though, if you look at their sitting positions on the floor, how they changed from Britt sitting with his legs out and Grant sitting cross legged to Grant then sitting with one leg out – all the time they are talking to the "boy" and there is no flashlight at all on the floor.  Then, all of a sudden during this same conversation (there was never a break) you see the flashlight on the floor and Grant sitting cross legged.  At that point Britt, sitting cross legged, asks for the "boy" to knock over the flashlight and Grant immediately says "if you touch it in the right way, it will turn on and it will be really, really bright".  First of all, "touch it in the right way"?  How would anyone (other than someone with GH) know how to "touch" the flashlight "in the right way" to make it turn on?  I don't think they had MAG lights back when this supposed boy was at least 8 or 9.   And, I don't know about you, but I have never met an 8 or 9 year old that could be that careful in turning on a flashlight without either 1) knocking it over or 2) picking it up to turn it on.  Instead, we are given to believe, the flashlight stayed in position and just the top turned?  Nosfer's comment about Grant's explanation when using the other flashlight was ridiculous.  What was the point?  It wasn't the same type of flashlight which they fixed so you would have to tap the bottom.  If you are going to give an explanation – make it relevant.  It's like seeing a cat and then describing the dog you had 5 or 6 years ago.  They are both animals but two separate types.  It was complete rubbish!  But, I am sure there are those (not on this site) that were shaking their heads and going "ah, yes, that makes perfect sense!"

Did you notice that while all this was going on, Britt was looking down at the flashlight but Grant looked straight ahead and only looked down once each time at the flashlight and right before it turned on?  Was "please" the magic word?  Why, if he was asking for the "boy" to make the flashlight turn on, would he not at least be watching the flashlight?  It makes no sense.  Was he trying to communicate with someone (other than the "boy") "operating" the flashlight?

One other thing that struck me was when Britt picked up the flashlight with his fingertips and, as he hands it to Grant, says "feel the flashlight . . . . . . . it's freezing".  Grant had the flashlight completely in hand but it wasn't until a moment or so after Britt said the word "freezing" that Grant reacted and said "WOW".  It seemed to me like he was taking a cue from Britt because if it had been "freezing" as Britt said, I would have thought his reaction, given the way he held it, would have been instantanous.  Grant reacted more surprised that the flashlight was "freezing" than he did when it was turning on and off.  What a surprise!!!!

Oubliette:  At the end of the flashlight session, just before they cut to Grant and Britt getting up to leave, they did a cut in to Grant making this observation:  "It's one of those moments you really live for in this field.  I couldn't be happier."  He then proceeded to comment about giving the boy his rest and got up and left.  No emotion . . . . nothing.  Huh?

It also seemed to me that Jason's "illness" was very odd.  He seemed perfectly fine though the entire walk thru, Steve's command center explanation and ballroom investigation until Grant stated he was going to do EMF readings before they finished up.  Grant didn't seem the least bit concerned when Jason said he was leaving the ballroom because he wasn't feeling well so to me it was obvious Jason hadn't mentioned anything to him but, then again, it's possible he did keep it to himself.  He seemed very low key (almost annoyed) while investigating with Grant and I'm trying to give him a pass here.  But, given the flashlight session (with Britt taking Jason's place), I'm wondering if he knew what was going to take place and had second thoughts and decided he didn't want to participate in a "flashgate" incident.  Still, very odd.

6:12 pm
April 4, 2009


Nosfer

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I noticed the time delay between the cold flashlight and the WOW, too. Seemed scripted…Grant waits for Brit to finish talking and then says Wow. Sort of like Steve pressing his walkie-talkie and then laughing into it only after Jason had completely finished his statement in an earlier episode.

As for them sitting with legs straight out and then crossed, I've been back and forth over those two shots a great number of times, done stills, compared positions and everything. There is a slightly different camera angle in each shot which would give a sense of distance compression so I think it MAY be possible that there would be room between Brit's outward legs and the flashlight, OR it was between them, but it's still a very odd and questionable position and I'm not convinced there was enough space, or that the flashlight was even set up at the time. But I'm TRYING to give benefit of the doubt lol

Claims that they see the flashlight turning in the dark? (yes, the flashlight was on, causing there to be some light, but it's even harder to tell if something is moving if you're staring into a lightbulb!) Their statement indicates physical manipulation going on, but during the close-up when the light is turned on, there is NO twisting, certainly not twisting that would be visible in the dark from 1 or 2 meters away.

The complete lack of any real excitement about this. Very Telling. Also they claimed the air itself was cold, but did not take any measurements. How many times is this now that they've experienced something that should require an undergarment change, yet nonchalantly laugh it off and do nothing to further the science of the paranormal?

What happened with the K2 during this time. They made a BIG deal about setting up the K2 and the camera and then nothing. In contrast, they didn't even mention setting up the flashlight _on it's end_ until Brit tells the entity to knock it over.

There is an audio recorder not 20 centimeters from the flashlight. Nothing was caught on this? They were asking specific questions and have gotten wonderful EVPs in the past without even having to ask. IF the instruments are set up, why no report as to what was recorded on them, even if NOTHING was recorded. Absence of action is still evidence.

The other thing I need to point out is that, while the other teams make frequent use of their flashlights, this is the ONLY time this flashlight comes to bear. In no other scene with Grant and Jason or Brit is a flashlight used, or even appear to be carried.

Is that possibly because this light doesn't work in a conventional way and thus would be useless for the normal part of the investigation? Was it around solely for this scene?

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6:50 pm
April 4, 2009


Nosfer

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Okay….missed something here, alicat's leg position statement made me go do some rethinking. I think there may still be room for the flashlight but it's immaterial since I don't think it is set up at this point. Take a look at Brit's folded hands. Is he not holding the flashlight reversed and is that not the head of the flashlight pointing back towards his face? I've zoomed in on my DVR and it is cylindrical so it is NOT the audio recorder (and you'd be less likely to hold a recorder that way)

In the first scene of them sitting, I do not believe the flashlight is in place yet. It's not setup until between:

Grant: We heard that there's a boy down here that likes to play around and likes to play catch with a ball.

and

Grant: We have some toys of ours here…

I think there may be a scene break because the footage jumps with a very clean break between Grant and Brit seated (Brit's legs straight out) and then the shot of the flashlight and just the sneakers and crossed legs of Grant. The audio is very fluid, but with overlain music you never can tell.

Question: Is Grant's flashlight explanation (done in studio) possibly his explanation from another episode, or did they do that ahead of time and then switch the flashlight types, or…(fill in wild guess here!)

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11:11 pm
April 4, 2009


Oubliette

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About Jason-I do think he was sick.  I remarked to my husband early in the show that Jason looked very disinterested.  He looked haggard, and he seemed barely aware of his surroundings.  This is the one time that I give him the benefit of the doubt.  He didn't look well at all.  And I usually question stuff like that.

That said, it gave Britt a chance to investigate with the #2 guy.  Maybe they are trying to push him over, say, Joe Chin.  I believe the way Britt took part with Grant in the flashlight bit was basically how Jason would have handled it.  Even so, the lack of excitement was very obvious.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

11:53 am
April 5, 2009


alicat

Guest

Well, I'm guessing Britt is going to be a permanent fixture with GH.  He's on the TAPS website (picture and all) as the TAPS Family Manager with some big long explanation about what that means and the criteria for being "granted" a TAPS member.  Wonder who he's going to partner with or if he's going to be in the command center and partner when needed?  Perhaps they are breaking him in as the new tech guy and will be bringing on another "investigator" for him to pair with since Steve and Tango are doing Ghost Hunters:  New Generation?  It would seem to me that both those shows are going to film at the same time or at least overlap at a point and if they go more than one season, who knows what will transpire.  I posted the casting information and application/guidelines for the new show in the forum as a new topic today.

BTW Oubliette, I agree with you on your assessment of Amy.  She is just plain annoying to me.

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