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10:04 am
March 28, 2009
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The Doctor
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Background of hauntings in Tampa's Cuban Club -
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/69f69/ ( note the page was last updated 07/15/2005 )
On this page http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/31/TampaBay/That_haunted_feeling.shtml
I found a very interesting quote from October 2002 -
"Members of Tampa's Historic Cuban Club, founded in 1899, prefer to think of their ghosts as helpers or maybe even marketing tools.
"They're half the charm of the place; I swear one of these days I'm going to do a spend-the-night fundraiser," said Angie Manteiga, a member and past president of the Cuban Club Foundation, which owns the neoclassic Ybor building constructed in 1917. "
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10:13 am
March 28, 2009
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Nosfer
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The Doctor said:
"They're half the charm of the place; I swear one of these days I'm going to do a spend-the-night fundraiser," said Angie Manteiga
Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that that spend-the-night fundraiser is about to become a reality?
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8:09 pm
April 1, 2009
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stronglike
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An apt name for GH in general. Far from being a non stop fak-a-thon, the show gets slower and slower. Lends a bit of credibility even as it induces sleep. Doubtless they manufacture some, but it is mostly wishful thinking. One man's "Juan" is another man's brush against the camera. And um, I have to ask. Kris Williams. Augmentation? Has it come to that?
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10:20 pm
April 1, 2009
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Revenant
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The flashlight-
Just to be clear on this…to turn on the light, one must "twist" a part of the body of the flashlight? I wasn't sure if I was understanding Grant correctly. So there is no switch or button…just twisting the light turns it on?
If this is the case…why in the world wouldn't the camera zoom in on the flashlight and keep aiming at the flashlight? We would be able to see it turning! I don't need to see Grant and Britt in order to hear their questions. I don't need to see their reactions. I don't need to see the very top of the flashlight. I need visual evidence that the body of the flashlight is moving. From just watching the show, I couldn't see this. If this was truly happening…why isn't Grant screaming at the camera guy to focus in on the body of the flashlight? This would constitute evidence! You know, it's "kind of" why they are there. So instead of zooming in on the flashlight, we get to see Grant asking "Are you younger than ten years old?" Hmmm…something weird about that whole bit…
And Stronglike, I'm glad I wasn't the only who noticed Kris looking a bit different. I thought it was just me… 
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1:21 am
April 2, 2009
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I believe the flashlight has a tail switch. What they do is turn it on, then unscrew the back to break battery contact just until it turns off. This makes it easier for temperature effects….. er sorry I mean "ghost" to turn it back on.
A few of us did some experiments back in the flashlight thread and I'm afraid to say that our flashlights are haunted also, even though we weren't asking ghosts questions. 
Edit, just had a chance to watch the video, this is a Mini Mag and apparently there's no switch just a twist action to turn on/off. Same effect though.
I did think it interesting that the flashlight turned both on/off several times.
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6:12 am
April 2, 2009
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The second part with Trelles clinic has an interesting scene shown in the reveal of one of the cameras turning. The camera is mounted on a tripod with a ball and socket joint. The camera being top heavy, if the ball joint isn't tight the camera will drop rather than rotate as it does in the video. The only other way it can rotate like that on it's own is if the camera socket screw is loose. But in this case the video shows the camera making incremental rather than smooth turns.
I believe the only way for the camera to turn like this is with deliberate and willful force. Especially since the guys checked it afterward and found it tight. We don't get to see what is behind the camera, if someone can come up unnoticed out of frame and turned it or not. But the choice is clear, either someone or something turned that camera.
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6:20 am
April 2, 2009
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Revenant said:
And Stronglike, I'm glad I wasn't the only who noticed Kris looking a bit different. I thought it was just me… 
TAPS is obviously aware that the flashlight evidence is suspect. Why else, in the customary minivan fade out shot, (The Skipper and Gilligan riding into the sunset) , would The Skipper (Jason) rule the place barely out of the ordinary at the end. (Gilligan [Grant] agreed with The Skipper. As is his custom.) If the evidence was credible, it would clearly spell out an intelligent haunting. A 9 year old spirit answering on demand via flashlight is certainly not ordinary.
And Rev - I guess it isn't just the evidence that's fake.
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6:21 am
April 2, 2009
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Even as a female, I noticed the "new Kris" also. Thought it was just my imagination. And Amy Bruni is a sissy. There's no better word to describe her. She couldn't even support Kris in provoking. "I'm not going to say I'm going to burn the club down." What a nice, sweet, innocent girl! I mean, Donna appeared to be a very nice person as well, but she did her fair share of provoking. Amy is certainly no Donna.
About the flashlight-I was thinking that if a lot of other people investigating a supposed haunted location had gotten those results from the flashlight, they would have been excited as all ***. I'm not saying Grant and Britt didn't show interest, but it was "geez, that's something, isn't it? Let's move on now…." No WOW factor and it was treated like an almost commonplace experience. They seemed to be more excited about any debunkings then this alleged evidence of flashlight manipulation by a spirit.
Maybe I'm way too skeptical of them at this point, but is it possible the camera movement might have been caused by our old friend the fishing line???? Just throwing some thoughts out there.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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6:31 am
April 2, 2009
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blinddog
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stronglike,
I noticed that also.
Kris appeared to be more 'abundant' than I recall.
One thing that had me bewildered on the walk though and the investigation.
The little boy in the cantina was said to be seen playing with a ball.
Never saw a ball in the area.
Seems that with a ball being a major part of said haunting that the GH crew would have found one to use as an enticement for the child to appear.
Ghost ball?
I have never understood how a non-biological object can become part of an intelligent haunting as opposed to the time imprint blah,blah,blah residual haunting.
Also, had a friend over last night that is a psychologist and we were watching the segment with Steve and Tango in the cantina.
He observed them and asked me "Are those guys alright?", I replied "You should have seen them last week".
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7:07 am
April 2, 2009
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Nosfer
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Definitely a twisty-type flashlight…My flashlight that requires twisting requires the head to be twisted. Grant announced that the flashlight was twisting. How the HELL could he see that in the dark?
Something like that happens and they just thank the spirit and go off somewhere else to investigate? B*****S*****
No EVP attempts, no measuring with an EMF, no temperature measurements (yeah, Brit said it was cold, but how much colder, was the air colder around the flashlight and then warmed the farther you got?)
Juan? That said "Juan"? Boy are we stretching things for evidence.
The camera turning on it's base in the second episode…they didn't notice it in a different position when they "broke things down"???
Here again, redundant cameras trained such that each would view the other camera would have been very useful here. But no, they won't do that because the number of "possible paranormal events" would go down to about zilch.
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7:08 am
April 2, 2009
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Wes
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Kris (at the behest of the producers or in an effort to boost an, errrrr, sagging movie career?) obviously has taken on a bigger role in TAPS. But enough about that.
Pet peeve - Taking on/off results, as in the epsiode last night and in the mill episode, and ascribing to them an intelligent response. I’m not a statistician and I’m sure it can be better explained why these results are meaningless, but consider this scenario. You flip a coin and get random results: heads, heads, tails, heads, tails, heads …
You then say heads is yes, tails, no and ask away. The result:
Are you here with us? (heads) Yes!
Are you a young boy? (heads) Yes!
Are you 12? (tails) No.
Are you 13? (heads) Yes!
Are you sad you died in the meat grinder? (tails) no
Do you just want to play with us? (heads) Yes!
And then you tell the client you made contact with the 13 year old boy, who’s not unhappy, who died in the meat grinder accident in 1913 and claim you were getting intelligent, rather than random, responses.
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7:11 am
April 2, 2009
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That's why they need to repeat questions, establish what a response is (not all ghosts are going to assume "light on" means yes)
I'll be going back over this episode probably tomorrow, I made several notes during the watching that I want to go back and review.
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8:22 am
April 2, 2009
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Wes
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To be clear, they have said they ask questions in different ways, but we haven't been allowed to see much if any of that. Why not start out asking the same question to establish if you are getting a random response??? That could save a lot of time — but i think we all know why they don't …
Also, Oubliette, great point about their reaction: Look, a ghost is twisting the head of a flashlight to make it go on and off. Cool. If the camera got close it could probably show the twisting, but no reason to get up. OK, let's move on.
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8:55 am
April 2, 2009
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blinddog50 said:
Also, had a friend over last night that is a psychologist and we were watching the segment with Steve and Tango in the cantina.
He observed them and asked me "Are those guys alright?"
Now that's funny.
Point well taken from Wes that we ought to move on, but there's almost no where else to go. This show's gruel was pretty thin, and most of it has been critically digested.
On equpment moving: Pretty suspect. A lot easier than faking something in front of the camera. "Gilligan, is that you?"
And yet. And yet, it still beats "Most Haunted" , what with all its kookdom that seems so endemic to the fallen empire of Britain.
"Good God Man, get a hold of yourself!" Whatever happened to the stiff upper lip of the Empire?
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10:20 am
April 2, 2009
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There's a theory out there …. enhanced equipment, a nickel in the K2 for example, will attract more spirits. Look for Kris to take a more active role in the investigations especially when in search of male ghosts/spirits. Maybe the EVP was "Wow" not Juan.
Whatever happened to research. A suicide and murder in the first investigation which were key points in the stories with no historical research to determine if they ever happened.
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10:24 am
April 2, 2009
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I need to check this, but wasn't the story that in the meeting someone shot the other guy in the face…then as she is describing the figure seen, she describes it as someone who shot their face off (as in self-inflicted) I will check and get actual dialog for this.
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11:28 am
April 2, 2009
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Oubliette
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….And yet. And yet, it still beats "Most Haunted" , what with all its kookdom that seems so endemic to the fallen empire of Britain.
"Good God Man, get a hold of yourself!" Whatever happened to the stiff upper lip of the Empire?
I second, third and fourth that! Shows like this are to me definite markers of the dumbing down of both countries. We can only guess what will happen next.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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12:40 pm
April 2, 2009
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blinddog
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Oubliette, my dear, I can answer your question with four words.
Ghost Hunters-College Edition.
That show is going to make Hawes and Wilson look like Einstein and Hawkings.
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12:50 pm
April 2, 2009
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Revenant
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Nosfer said:
Definitely a twisty-type flashlight…My flashlight that requires twisting requires the head to be twisted. Grant announced that the flashlight was twisting. How the HELL could he see that in the dark?
Something like that happens and they just thank the spirit and go off somewhere else to investigate? B*****S*****
No EVP attempts, no measuring with an EMF, no temperature measurements (yeah, Brit said it was cold, but how much colder, was the air colder around the flashlight and then warmed the farther you got?)
Juan? That said "Juan"? Boy are we stretching things for evidence.
The camera turning on it's base in the second episode…they didn't notice it in a different position when they "broke things down"???
Here again, redundant cameras trained such that each would view the other camera would have been very useful here. But no, they won't do that because the number of "possible paranormal events" would go down to about zilch.
Excellent point on Grant being able to see the flashlight turning…"IN THE DARK."
Another excellent point in the fact that they didn't make any comments about the camera being in the wrong position when they broke things down. And speaking of that, I'm just going to assume that this camera wasn't tied into the 4 screen moniter that they view during investigations in the van. If it was, that raises a few more questions. Why didn't anyone see the camera move? Why didn't anyone notice that a camera was focused on a wall instead of the hallway? Hmmm…I'll just assume that this was a stand-alone camera.
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