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4:39 pm
September 29, 2008
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kevin
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I know I'm jumping the gun here, but I'm anxious to hear everyone's opinion of last week's GH episode. We were shown more K2 fireworks and, of more interest (at least to me), a human body heat signature caught on a FLIR camera while the camera set up next to it captures nothing. Proof of something paranormal? I think Jason called it a "good catch", but I'm skeptical. Any thoughts?
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8:23 pm
September 29, 2008
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Stephen
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My first thought was, "are they reading this board?" We've been calling for backing up FLIR with night vision video for some time now. In most circumstances, that would have been an amazing piece of evidence.
But (you knew there would be a "but", right?) there's a big black square on the night vision camera. This is a hallway (again with the hallways!) leading into a big room, and at the far end it's too far for the infrared light from the night vision camera to reach. They didn't take care to line up the FLIR and the night vision camera, so the two pictures don't quite match up. To me, though, it looks like our "apparition" is hanging around in that black area– too far away for the night vision camera to see, but easily visible by the FLIR.
That's suspicious to me. It means that if this was a living person, then they knew exactly where the camera was pointing and where to walk to stay invisible to the night vision camera. Our apparition is also moving very strangely, like someone trying to do a creepy walk.
Normally, with this type of "apparition", I would go for an innocent explanation– perhaps someone blundered into the wrong area and just happened to stay out of the FLIR camera's range. The walk puts it over the edge for me, though. I don't know who it was, but someone tried to fool us.
If so, they failed.
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2:40 am
September 30, 2008
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bullerspoke
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I was appalled to see how they used the K2 meters in Buffalo. They jammed pentops and coins onto the button that activates it, where you push with your thumb when you hold it in your hand. That is just, well, beyond me. Of course you get fluctuations then. It's not even bad science, it's just bad.
The K2 is shady as it is and when resorting to such amatuerish handling of it, during a serious investigation, really puts a big dent in TAPS credibility. Scientific methods, yeah right…
Actually it almost pushed me over the edge of dismissing it all as downright chicanery and fraud. The FLIR footage didn't help either…
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6:12 am
September 30, 2008
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As with the recent fort "soldier" this again looked like someone sneaking around trying to stay out of sight and then scampering when seeing the camera. My first thought was a homeless person or someone else who wasn't supposed to be there. Of course, it could be a deliberate hoaxer.
The bottom line is that it seems too coincidental that these Flir "ghosts" never fully approach the camera (like they do the infamous K2) and move like humans trying not to get caught.
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8:39 am
September 30, 2008
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I actuall laughed out loud when I saw the crazy walk the "apparition" was doing. It looked like who ever it was was trying to walk on there tip-toes to try and not make a noise. The Buffalo Train Station was way too big of a place for the team to make sure there was no one in there. I too think once the person saw the light from the camerea they tried to get out of there as quietly as they could. Who knows, it was probably Grant trying to set up his next hoax and got lost along the way.
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4:42 pm
September 30, 2008
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I too found this apparition a little to close for comfort. It was very much like the fort soldier.
There we are shown an apparition with its hands in its pockets casualing stepping in front of the camera and then back out of frame and then it leans into the frame and back out again. I always thought that was Steve or someone with his body type that had snuck into the place.
This same thing here, these places are too big to enjoy absolute security. Did you catch the 6 foot high chain link fence keeping this massive structure safe from intruders?
Also from everything we have heard over the seasons on this show, I never heard anyone say well the ghost was just standing around with its hands in its pockets :)
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5:04 pm
September 30, 2008
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kevin
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5:08 pm
September 30, 2008
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kevin
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For once I would like to see one of these "apparitions" walk slowly toward the camera, passing by the camera or, better yet, passing through the camera. Maybe as it walks (or floats! or glides!) toward the camera it will slowly dissipate or disappear. Now that would be impressive. Ghosts should flaunt their ghostliness, not run from the cameras.
The second camera as a back-up camera to the FLIR is a good idea, but in this case it didn't matter, didn't prove anything. Like Stephen said, the area where the image appeared on the FLIR was too distant for the light from the night vision camera to reach and remained in shadow. Does Jason really think this was a good catch?
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6:01 pm
October 4, 2008
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Oubliette
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Haven't been on the TAPS boards in a while, but I seem to remember that almost everyone there has convinced his/her self that the "apparition" MUST have been a soldier. To me it always looked like somebody who was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was peeking out to see if he had been noticed and/or Jay and Grant had gone.
I guess Fort automatically equals soldier.
I compare the apparitions on GH to one just caught on Destination Truth in that very spooky forest at the foot of Mt. Fuji. Now that LOOKED like an apparition–a white human form which literally crumbled away, not ducking, dancing etc. Now if TAPS had come up with something like that, just maybe I would put some faith into them again.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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1:55 pm
May 24, 2009
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Just took a look at the Ideal Management site as GH/TAPS are doing an event at the Terminal this weekend (5/23-24/09). Here is a link to the page: http://idealeventmanage.com/buffalo3.html
Of course, this is yet another corporate restoration project which was investigated and aired in September 2008. However, if you read the following portion of that release by their own management company, you would never know they had ever visited the Terminal. WAKE UP IDEAL! It is at the bottom of the page:
"We are very excited to be holding the first investigation at this location with the Ghost Hunters and they are very excited to be part of this investigation and event"
Here is a link for the Terminal. You can read the press releases and fan comments back to September 2008 relating to GH, such as "they are my idols!". Perhaps this is where our "friend" went? Who knows?
http://buffalocentralterminal.org/
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3:58 pm
May 25, 2009
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Nosfer
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Oubliette said:
Haven't been on the TAPS boards in a while, but I seem to remember that almost everyone there has convinced his/her self that the "apparition" MUST have been a soldier. To me it always looked like somebody who was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was peeking out to see if he had been noticed and/or Jay and Grant had gone.
I guess Fort automatically equals soldier.
I compare the apparitions on GH to one just caught on Destination Truth in that very spooky forest at the foot of Mt. Fuji. Now that LOOKED like an apparition–a white human form which literally crumbled away, not ducking, dancing etc. Now if TAPS had come up with something like that, just maybe I would put some faith into them again.
There was discussion on the TAPS board about how the Fort Delaware "apparition" executed a perfect heel-and-toe about-face. I enjoyed the laugh at that description and immediately came to the conclusion that the person writing it had not only never served, he had never even seen such an about-face performed!
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10:41 pm
May 25, 2009
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Revenant
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Oubliette said:
I compare the apparitions on GH to one just caught on Destination Truth in that very spooky forest at the foot of Mt. Fuji. Now that LOOKED like an apparition–a white human form which literally crumbled away, not ducking, dancing etc. Now if TAPS had come up with something like that, just maybe I would put some faith into them again.
Agreed. Although, I did have questions about the particular site that I listed in that DT thread. Such as if they were close to water (mist), a volcano (escaped gases), etc. Yet, as far the all the recent paranormal shows out there, I still find that piece of footage as some of the best around. I mean I'm somewhat confident that there was no hoaxing involved. DT has an excellent track record in that regard. It could still be a very natural phenomenon. But I'm more than willing to throw it into the "hey, this is very curious and I'm just not sure what we have here" pile. And that pile, by the way, is very small.
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12:45 pm
May 26, 2009
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My sister copied both episodes for me, so I'll have to go back and look through them again to see
what you all are talking about. I know Buffalo Terminal is huge, so it is possible that there was a homeless person in the building.After, all they didn't investgate some of the very upper floors that I know of.Diidn't they say the place was ten or twelve stories tall?
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