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Are GH (and other similar shows) viewers being hoodwinked for another reason?

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11:12 am
January 1, 2009


A Adams

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Even though I’ve gotten sidetracked by all the controversial footage and theories I came to realize that that is not what I have the biggest problem with on the show, and that I honestly believe that the smoking guns are all red herrings (slight of hand) to keep viewership up BUT ALSO SERVE to give us something to think about other than thinking about those things that might cause us to turn the show off and not watch it.

I can’t see that GH is studying anything. There is really nothing of substance happening by a team supposedly interested in the paranormal. For example, if you had an interest in the paranormal and you found places that you declared as having paranormal activity would you be satisfied with what we see on the show? I mean, after 18 years of ghosthunting I’d hope I would have moved far beyond the “Yes, your home is haunted but you are safe. Goodbye.” stage some years ago. They just keep repeating themselves. They never even meet to discuss alternative actions or reevaluate their methods or (especially) how they can dig deeper into each investigation, etc etc. I believe we would see more of that IF in fact they were at all serious and not about entertainment with little concern for their (serious) audience.(not to mention all the problems with their methods and technology already discussed on here).

They just go from place to place because all TV producers know the public’s limited attention span demands it. Viewers are just interested in what they will see and hear at the next new place. And when that began to get old with some of the more critical viewers then they added controversy to spice it up a bit.

But back to my original question: Are viewers being led astray by controversy on purpose because there is nothing they care to offer us of substance? That is what is so lousy about TV in my opinion. No one cares to offer anything worthwhile– not just for the audience but for stars of the show as well, who are supposedly interested in their subject matter. What kind of sincere investigative interest does that show? And you can add the other shows mentioned on this site as being just like GH.

They even describe themselves as problem solvers due to being plumbers. Are any problems being solved that you can see? And I don’t mean “problems” as in its strictest definition only.

Maybe bringing this up is a mute point as I think TV is 99% pointless, but maybe someone will listen if we all get sick of it and call them on it. They sure aren’t afraid to spend a whole lot of money on nothing. It would just be nice in my opinion if they put all that money, time, and energy to better use, they have the resources. And I can’t for the life of me figure out why they don’t. What are they afraid of? Maybe viewership would soar? The history and science channels are still around.
My dream is one day they’ll quit scamming their audience or at least quit dumbing us down and putting so much effort into nothing and believing we will be satisfied.

For arguments sake I fully realize there are those who watch the show knowing it is highly suspect but do so for purely entertainment reasons. However, I think a sitcom, etc is one thing, but a show marketed as educational and serious that scams its youngest viewers (which I assume MOST of their audience is comprised of) should be called on it and exposed. Plus, I would just like to see something that is real, honest, and had something to offer for those with an interest in already maligned and controversial topics.

12:01 pm
January 1, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Good points -

They really don't seem to accomplish anything as far as adding to the knowledge of the paranormal, nor does it appear they intend to accomplish anything by analysis of their results and adjusting their techniques.

I've always been curious – when they leave a home that they have "investigated", they always tell the clients something to the effect of " call us if you have trouble".

…. Just what is it they would do ?  Are they trained in removing flying coathangers from a kids eye ?

1:12 pm
January 1, 2009


T.A.Sharps

Iowa

Investigator

posts 60

Good points, but I don't think the controversy was planned, they would be diabolical and superb actors if it were.

Basically they have a cash cow right now and their bubble is growing.  They are going to have to do more to keep that bubble from popping.

SciFi is an entertainment channel, for a while there it looked like they would go the way of some legit programs that investigate things, but I think they found that it is not good entertainment value unless something happens, and the up curve would have to be maintainable, and reality TV wouldn't work unless they weighted the dice a little to help get something to happen.

Just think about all the reality TV, they always pair people together that would never get a long (this reminded me of Steve paired with Tango, or the "not hot" Kris paired with, everyone), knowing something is bound to happen, and if not they poke it with a stick.  Basically like one big Springer show.

The formula for money has been working for a while.  J and G have said, "…oh everyone thinks we are rich and we are not…"

I'm not saying if they are millionares, but you don't do all that work for the SciFi channel as volenteers.  Like they just provide transportation, but only pay min wage, and all the equipment comes out of J&Gs pockets.  Just think of the cost and the logistics of getting everything and everyone overseas and all over the US.

It would be an awsome job though, and i wouldn't turn it down if someone came from SciFi and told me they would pay for all this world wide ghost hunting, accept we would have to rigg a few things to make something cool happen.

They want their job, and SciFi wants their show to be successful.

People shouldn't try to look for "faith" in a show like that, you can't even trust the news half the time.  It fooled me to though.

" Your reality Sir is lies and balderdash and I am delighted to say I have no grasp of it whatsoever!"

3:49 pm
January 1, 2009


A Adams

Guest

I agree. And if they claim they are truly helping people "deal" with the paranormal activity in their homes or workplace…Great! But I seriously doubt that is the case. And as an investigator would I be "content" and "relieved" and "satisfied" like my clients claim to be with only the "Reveal". I don’t think so. I believe the clients are selectively chosen as well for specific reasons we can all guess at.

Plus, I just offered this as just more food for thought on the "how serious are these guys, anyway" debate that fills the discussions on here.

Yes, I certainly agree about the entertainment value and purpose but I just wondered why producers think that is the only way to get successful shows about subject matter such as this.

And to me it proves just how J and G feel about their audience.

I haven’t had anyone to discuss all this with so I am a little excited and verbose, I can calm down now. LOL

Thanks for responding.

6:02 pm
January 1, 2009


texasrebel

Investigator in Training

posts 5

I have always wondered, when they find a place with activity why do they only spend one night investigating?

It seems to me that they would spend several nights and days on that sight.

They may have been serious at one time, but not any more.

7:26 pm
January 1, 2009


Sabrina

Elk Grove, CA

Investigator

posts 27

It is my understanding that they quite often spend more than one night on a location. If I recall correctly, this information came from a TAPS (not GH) member of the forum (he is an investigator for the non-TV TAPS).

The organization he is part of does follow up for the locations in his area and he stated that TAPS family members follow up on those locations out of his area.

I do wish they would spend more than 30 TV minutes on a place that seems to have activity, or go back for a follow-up episode. I'm still out on how much control J and G have on the editing.

I'm still a weekly viewer, and I have actually learned quite a bit from the show. How can you help but learn when they repeat the same information over and over and over again?!? I tend to only pay attention to the beginning of the show (the tour) and the reveal. The rest of the time is pretty boring to me and I'm usually on the computer doing other things.

If you ain't laughing … you ain't living! May your life be like toilet paper … long and useful.

7:54 am
January 2, 2009


A Adams

Guest

One thing I have learned is some awesome places to visit in the U.S. and overseas, not for the paranormal, but for cultural, historical, and architectural reasons.

I do feel all I learned from the show (my speculation) was their speculation of what paranormal activity is and how to "evidence" it (a classic example of circular logic ??). And since they are working in speculation I find their unwavering adherence to certain methodology, technology, and "evidence" very lazy, suspect, and un "scientific".

Again, only my opinions, which aren't any more valid or easliy proven than anyone else's, including GH.

7:18 pm
January 2, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 589

I have no idea if TAPS and/or Pilgrim is doing hoaxes carefully crafted to give skeptics something to puzzle out. If so, I really owe them a fan letter– it's great immersive drama. Like so many things about GH, though, it's fun to think about, but there's no evidence for it.

The argument that it all must be deliberate, because they're TV professionals and could avoid any mistakes, doesn't particularly work for me. Mistakes happen on TV all the time. Watch any Sci Fi monster-of-the-week movie, for example.

There're probably people in the Pilgrim/Sci Fi hierarchy who believe that it's hoaxed, but don't care because there's no real downside. After all, Most Haunted is still a popular show, and its hoaxes are even more clear-cut and conclusively shown.

Still, most of the fanbase doesn't particularly believe that their evidence is hoaxed. Skeptics are a small segment of the population. Why limit your audience?

I remember Logisti jokingly imagining a scenario where Grant gets tired of the show and desperately tries to do obvious hoaxes to shut the show down– but the show's fanbase just keeps on believing them.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

9:16 pm
January 2, 2009


A Adams

Guest

I agree, anything is possible, but I still tend to think the production crew aren’t as careless as one might think. And if they are they still are for a reason, I would think by now anyway. I would also hazzard a guess that the skeptical viewers aren’t as big a minority as one might think either. Maybe on-line but not at home. In my opinion skepticism can be a progressive process as well as vary quite a bit between individuals and fluctuate depending on specific [paranormal] subject matter including the various components of this show and similar shows. And I still tend to think any channel or production team that earns its money off of stuff like this would be well aware of this about their audience.

Viewers may "wise up" eventually and then watch the show for different reasons, sometimes this happens quickly and other times not for a season or two. And if a production company is that careless and makes mistakes then they would (or should) expect this from their audience and therefore they may not "plan" anything but ignoring problems may be the same thing. Guilt by irresponsiblity?

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