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10:37 am
March 21, 2009
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alicat
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Accidentaltraveler,
From what I have found, J&G are listed as "producers" as I noted in my previous post. However, the Associate or Assistant Producer runs the set on the ground level. Here are two articles which explain their function. Note that one of the Assistant Producer's duties is supervising post production which is an ongoing discussion on this site. Of course J&G know all this. If your name and reputation was on the line each and every week, wouldn't you be concerned about how you were perceived unless you had other irons in the fire or the fame and money eased the pain?
http://www.skillset.org/film/jobs/production/article_3874_1.asp
http://filmtvindustry.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_assistant_producers_role
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11:26 am
March 21, 2009
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Actually, I thought the very first answer was the one that summed it up nicely:
Question: What do we have to look forward to on Season 5?
Jason Hawes: Absolutely nothing…. :)
And from Grant…
And they have a traveling Titanic exhibit, I guess, with actual artifacts from the Titanic.
He "guesses"? In the sentence before he says they already did the investigation. Guesses, he should friggen "Know" if he's already been there!
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11:52 am
March 21, 2009
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alicat said:
Accidentaltraveler,
From what I have found, J&G are listed as "producers" as I noted in my previous post. However, the Associate or Assistant Producer runs the set on the ground level. Here are two articles which explain their function. Note that one of the Assistant Producer's duties is supervising post production which is an ongoing discussion on this site. Of course J&G know all this. If your name and reputation was on the line each and every week, wouldn't you be concerned about how you were perceived unless you had other irons in the fire or the fame and money eased the pain?
http://www.skillset.org/film/jobs/production/article_3874_1.asp
http://filmtvindustry.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_assistant_producers_role
Those articles on the role of associate/assistant producer are much more detailed than the wikipedia article. Thanks. It sounds like the duties of an assistant producer could include as much or as little as the executive producer assigns them. I was drawing on the comments from earlier in the thread when I used the term assistant producer.
If J and G are in charge of many aspects of production, maybe they are being spread far too thin? But it may be that they are in charge of very few. It's not unusual for leads in the cast to be listed as producers – one example: Sarah Jessica Parker was an Executive Producer of Sex and the City. It's difficult to imagine that she was actually doing any production work in addition to acting in the show. That is partially what gave me the idea that it is something of an honorary title in some cases. But GH might be very different – I really have no idea how much of the shows planning, organizing, editing, marketing, etc. are the responsibility of the cast.
To answer your question – Would I care about how I was perceived if I was involved in a television production? I'm sure I would. But I couldn't speculate as to how J. and G. would like to be perceived. Perhaps they would want to be thought of as 'Producers' who are capable of creating/producing/performing in a program that is entertaining and lucrative. Or they may prefer to be perceived as effective researchers. If it's the latter, they may be feeling frustration and disappointment right now. If it's the former, they may be very satisfied. Not many shows make it through five seasons.
I don't know very much about either man… that surely shows in this post! But you may have a better understanding of their personal motivations and their role in production through your own research, so you would probably be a much better judge than me!
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1:59 pm
March 21, 2009
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alicat
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Accidentaltraveler,
I understand about the associate producer thread. I thought so too. I was surprised when I saw their "producer" titles and IMDb could be wrong however they are more in the know than I am.
I have no idea if J&G are spread too thin but understand your Sarah Jessica Parker comment although I'm probably the only one who has never seen Sex in the City. Keifer Sutherland has also added producer credits to his name for 24. Some times these stars (not necessarily Keifer) want and/or need (a/k/a ego) to control every aspect of their show and, because they are responsible for drawing viewers due to their celebrity status, they are accorded the title of "Producer". Generally, it is because they are responsible for bringing in other big name actors to guest star on their show and because of that and the "buzz" it generates, the ratings and thus the revenues increase. I don't know J&G's motivation either but I can surmise, like all of us, they'd like to increase the $'s going into their pockets and the more titles you can add, the more you get paid.
As far as you not knowing that much about these guys, neither do I other than what I read, hear and see like youself. I agree that their roles could be more or less than those descriptions and they could be at the mercy of the Executive Producer. No one knows other than them. We are all speculating here on this site. Personally, I opt for the less due to the star factor as well. The Producers I worked for would do the important work and leave the lesser work to the next in line down to even the office staff. However, if they didn't treat J&G right, via $'s and titles, I'm sure they would be left without the stars of a popular show. I'm sure that these demands are reflected in their contracts. So, I think they boxed themselves in but I don't think either party is unhappy about it. Honestly, as a rule I don't think the general public cares about the credits in tv or film. How many times are you sitting in a theatre and when the credits roll, people are rushing out the exits. I'm usually the one that sits there until the bitter end which my friends absolutely hate.
Remember TAPS came to them with an business plan already in place. The were already marketing themselves (locally) and were organized, had jobs scheduled and a ready-made cast in place since they had been doing this for over 15 years. They just needed the production company to complete the next step.
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8:55 pm
March 22, 2009
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Just to clarify, producer, assistant producer, associate producer, executive producer, etc. are titles that have different meanings for different companies and in different contractual contexts. In the case of such shows, the titles are usually given to key "stars" of said shows to give them access to residuals and other legal rights — it in no way indicates their involvement (or lack of) in doing anything on the show other than appearing on it. Based on being in media for 20-plus years, my bet is that J&G are not heavily involved (if at all) in pre- and post-production — that's left to the experts who are hired by the people investing the money.
Of course, I believe they do have a moral obligation to make sure what is presented is what they claim it is and to walk away from any dishonesty — but if you are the one doing the hoaxing, are you really going to complain about some dubious editing?
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9:56 pm
March 22, 2009
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Alicat wrote:
"Remember TAPS came to them with an business plan already in place. The were already marketing themselves (locally) and were organized, had jobs scheduled and a ready-made cast in place since they had been doing this for over 15 years. They just needed the production company to complete the next step."
I'm not sure that was the case. It's been awhile since I read about this, but I think that the idea of following a paranormal research group around originated with Pilgrim Films. TAPS was one of several groups under consideration and won out, possibly because of the reasons you outlined above.
Does anyone remember where this idea for the show originated? I'm almost 100% sure it wasn't their idea, but they fit the bill very nicely. "Regular guys with day jobs who ghost hunt at night" was the initial premise.
Whoever thought of it, the time was right, and now all these years later they still have Wednesday nights wrapped up. Amazing when you think about it.
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5:20 am
March 23, 2009
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I thought I had read somewhere they produced their own "show" so to speak and pitched it to two companies - one company declined, the other ran with it. I'll have to look into that.
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6:01 am
March 23, 2009
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The story we've heard from the beginning was that Pilgrim was looking to do a ghost hunting show and approached TAPS about getting involved — TAPS was featured in newspaper articles, including one that went national in the New York Times, and they certainly weren't shy about publicity pre-GH days and may have pitched the idea to someone at some time, but I don't think they had a show ready to go, so to speak, before Pilgrim came along.
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7:20 am
March 23, 2009
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Still looking for where I read about J&G putting together their own demo reel. It may take awhile. Was I dreaming? I remember reading how G was setting up shots (unknown at the time it was the prelim good for future coat hangers, collar pulls, etc.) and other bits and pieces. Now I'm on a mission to figure this out.
On another note: while looking to find anything at all on the filming of the College Edition that The Doctor was asking about in a different post, I found the following rather silly description (creepy, spooky, . . . ? Is this the Addams Family?). Now we know the air date of the Aquarium /Titantic episode and the reason why. Smart move on GH's part as both the Aquarium and GH will get additional promotion without trying. Being nitpicky here, although it may or may not have been taken out of context, I found G's comment somewhat odd considering their demeanor and, in particular, J's strong arming. How J's comment "echoed the sentiment" is beyond me. BTW, I'm finding a few interesting things on Essex and will post those (with pictures) as well. From TVGuide.com:
"Ghost Hunters
Jason and Grant were good enough to name their "can't miss" episodes for TVGuide.com this season. They feature the creepy, old, abandoned Essex County Hospital and a Titanic exhibit with some reported spooky activity at the Georgia Aquarium. To raise the stakes — and the hairs on the back of your neck — the network is airing the Titanic episode on the anniversary of the ship's demise, April 15. We also couldn't resist asking if the boys minded being spoofed last year by Supernatural, and if they would be up for a cameo on the show. "We don't take ourselves seriously," said Grant. Jason echoed the sentiment, saying, "We'd love to… we think those guys are great and we'd love to meet them!""
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8:30 am
March 23, 2009
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@alicat…I seem to remember something of what you are saying, too. Wasn't something mentioned about this in the Halloween All-access thing with Josh?
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8:46 am
March 23, 2009
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Thanks Nosfer. I was beginning to really question my memory. I'm still looking but I wonder if I actually read something on G's now-private MySpace page.
Sorry Oubliette – I just read your post on the Essex County Hospital. For some unknown reason (I'll attribute that to my memory again), I just didn't connect the two then all of a sudden, it hit me. However, since I had already written this post, I'm editing here. Sorry.
Here are two links to pictures of the Essex County Hospital for comparison when the show airs. There is some additional information at the end of the first link that if you dig deeper, not only gives more pictures but an explanation about the place. Apparently there was demolition of 2 buildings on site last summer and over 40+ people arrested for trespassing and a suicide last year. The Sheriff's Office blames a website called http://www.weirdnj.com for encouraging the trespassing but the site denies it. They posted the letter they received from the Sheriff's PIO on their site in their denial. Here's that link: http://www.weirdnj.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=230&Itemid=28
The two links mentioned above are:
http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/essex_county_hospital,_cedar_grove,_nj.htm and http://www.vacantnewjersey.com/locations/echc/main.html
On the second link, once you get past the dramatic writings of an 18 year old, the pictures presented are interesting and somewhat close to the depictions on the first link. Either way, the pictures presented offer a disturbing view of the place.
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