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10:04 am
February 2, 2011
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In their efforts to continue to rip off the titles of films in the hopes that we haven't heard of them yet, the team heads to Serbia this week to investigate the Petrovaradin Fortress. Probably not much to say about the investigation itself as they all seem to blend together and consist of sitting in or running through tunnels watching laser light shows (although it has mercifully been a few episodes since we've been subjected to that…not to fear, it's back tonight, though) and playing the "Pssst, didja hear that?" game with each other. One variation of the game is "Pssst, didja see that?" but other than the particular sense used, the rules are pretty much the same.
The fortress, itself, though is quite interesting and has quite a history for those of you interested in such things. The rock that the present fortress is constructed upon was an observation point for the Romans (petra being Latin for "rock"). The Romans later built a rather large fortress on the spot which had already been used before them by the Celts who had inhabited the area. The area was then sacked by the Huns in the 5th century though they couldn't keep things organized too well and fell to the Byzantines who renamed it Petrikom.
The place was reinforced and added to through the centuries though that was not enough to keep it from falling to the Ottoman's in 1526. The Austrians conquered it and enlarged it and the Turks took it back shortly before it was reclaimed in 1691 by the Austrians. They began shaping it into the structure seen today by striking all aspects of Turkish architecture, though the Turks tried to retake it again in 1716.
The fortress is the second largest set of fortifications in Europe (second to Verdun) and contains a large system of catacombs beneath it. So large that GHI probably spent about two months there in order to investigate thoroughly. Cough Cough.
What to see under the fortress? What would be of interest for GHI to investigate? What is the allure? Well, there has been a book recently written called "Petrovaradin Fortress Cosmic Labyrinth of Discoveries" Hint…think of relationships to the Pyramids and their powers. Hopefully GHI can tell us what really is what.
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9:29 am
February 3, 2011
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Review:
Joe finds the "moan" spot on the audio. The moan that Paul and Susan heard during the investigation. After all the oohing and ahhing about what Joe found (anyone really hear a moan?) Susan says that what is odd(?) was that she didn't hear it at the time. Even though Joe led in with the fact that it was the moan they heard during the investigation…
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12:31 pm
February 3, 2011
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Has there been an episode where Joe Chin hasn't been touched or grabbed or whatever? Seriously. Those ghost are all over poor Joe Chin.
The moan…couldn't really hear it. Too bad we don't have the technology to upload that audio file to the GHI website so that we could hear the actual recording for ourselves. Man…TAPS has people from NASA and MIT working with them (remember that story from way back when?) and we can't get that done. I think it just can't be done. Impossible really….
The shadow…I just…*sighs*…*shakes his head*…
Once again…can we see the area in normal light? Can we see a few photo's before and after the event? Can we get a diagram of the room showing where any of the production crew were standing at the time of the event?
And from just from eye-balling it only once…why does the second picture look like it was at a different angle than the first picture? We've been through this before although I can't remember the name of the episode. I think both Stephen and I poured over that one until our eyes bled…I saw laser dots for days. But…no excuse for that camera moving during this "laser test." Kind of goes against the point.
I don't know. This picture of the shadow is their "coup de grace" piece of evidence. Yet…we get what? Forty seconds with it? Really? It's an hour long show. I know we must see the team setting up the equipment and then breaking down the equipment…but maybe we could sort of slim those pieces down a bit and focus a little more on what they came for…possible evidence of the paranormal. I detest how they just whiz by things in the review.
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12:48 pm
February 3, 2011
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Yeah that was kind of funny when they were talking about where Susan was and where Paul was…as if they were the only ones in the room. The shadow is interesting, much more so than the other one where the only reason we saw a form was because they drew one in…in this case there was something there, but what…who knows.
I'll have to look and see if there was another IR source that could be causing a shadow other than from the camera Paul was using. They were carrying their stuff so it wasn't a case where they got in the way of a seperate static camera setup at least.
If it is that substantial there should be a lot more to it and confirmation. What do we get, though? An offhand mention of it as casually as if Barry were telling the guy that he likes whiskey.
Susan's hair was touched twice…once she made a big deal about it, Paul checked her out, examined the ceilings etc. The time prior (and only a few minutes prior when they were walking) she mentions her hair was pulled and keeps right on walking. Hmmmm.
There was another bit of dialogue between a guy and gal, can't recall if it was Paul and Susan or Barry and Kris. Anyway it went like this:
Guy: I just heard ____ (was this the moan?)
Gal: Are you SERIOUS???
Gal almost immediately afterward as if part of the same sentence: I heard that too.
For some reason I think it was Paul and Susan and it might have been the moan section. But then why the surprise and question of whether or not he was serious if she also heard it? And if she heard it, why did she say she didn't during the analysis? Several out-and-out discrepancies in this particular episode that has my trust meter bouncing off the 0 mark.
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3:02 pm
February 3, 2011
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Okay, just checked the conversation, it was Paul and Susan and it WAS the moan.
Paul: I just heard a moan
Susan (turns back to him): Are you serious?
Paul: Just sounded like a moan
Susan: I (pause) heard it. (pause) I heard it, too.
HUH!!!!!?????!!!!!! And this is then the moan she claims in the review that she didn't hear at the time.
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3:16 pm
February 3, 2011
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Recall that during the shadow scene, there is a cameraman right next to Susan when she's seeing things. Standing to her left. Look at the shadow on the wall in the Reveal. Is there not a bulge on the right side (our right) of the standing figure. Wouldn't this be the correct place for the sitting(or squatting) Susan to be if there were an IR behind both the cameraman and Susan? Is the shadow (despite Kris' analysis) possibly an IR shadow of the cameraman and Susan from a light behind them and the the left of Paul? Later the cameraman moves and films Susan from the right as she is sitting.
I seem to see a shift in this one, too that isn't simply them showing a closer zoom of the photo.
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7:59 pm
February 3, 2011
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Yes, Paul seems to have shifted the camera and why the very distinct difference in illumination between two subsequent shots?
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9:01 am
February 4, 2011
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Guys, I couldn't get past 14 minutes of the show before I had to jump to the reveal. I think I'm burned out! The samey samey no show has finally put me to sleep and lost my interest.
And… I hate that LSD (Laser Silly Dot) machine! What use is it?
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12:13 pm
February 4, 2011
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Learjet said:
Guys, I couldn't get past 14 minutes of the show before I had to jump to the reveal. I think I'm burned out! The samey samey no show has finally put me to sleep and lost my interest.
And… I hate that LSD (Laser Silly Dot) machine! What use is it?
Learjet,
I think the LSD is eye candy. Just like using the FLIR in
the full color scale versus the much more readable gray scale mode. These are used to mesmerize the loyal
followers with colorful colors and bright lights without adding anything of
substance to the so-called investigation.
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5:02 pm
February 7, 2011
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Post edited 5:03 pm – February 7, 2011 by CrowTRobot
A few observations about the reveal:
1) The 'something approached the mike and then moved off very quickly' incident; after the muffled noise (the first time, they don't play it again) you hear something like, "Dammit, Barry, why did/didn't you use…" Hmmmmm, I'd like to know why..
2) Next, they catch a female voice, but don't ask the client what he thinks it says – you know, since he actually speaks the language.
3) Did anyone else see what looks like a second shadow to the left of the one they 'caught'…
4) And the client is the one that mentions there is no shadowed ground connecting to the body.
5) The moan – whatever.
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1:06 am
February 8, 2011
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Nosfer said:
Recall that during the shadow scene, there is a cameraman right next to Susan when she's seeing things. Standing to her left. Look at the shadow on the wall in the Reveal. Is there not a bulge on the right side (our right) of the standing figure. Wouldn't this be the correct place for the sitting(or squatting) Susan to be if there were an IR behind both the cameraman and Susan? Is the shadow (despite Kris' analysis) possibly an IR shadow of the cameraman and Susan from a light behind them and the the left of Paul? Later the cameraman moves and films Susan from the right as she is sitting.
I seem to see a shift in this one, too that isn't simply them showing a closer zoom of the photo.
Finally found the video to take a look again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..kB7VgZX2UI
It occurs around 8:30 in the video.
After watching the clip a few times…man, I want to say that it's the cameraman, but…I'm not 100% certain. I can't get a good sense of time between the two pictures and where people were at the time of both shots. But, one must acknowledge the cameraman as a possibility.
Does the "blob" look like a person? Hmmm…I guess. To me, it's a blob.
During the reveal, Kris exclaims "That it's one of the wildest things that she's ever seen." Really? A blob at the end of the hallway…while NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE CAMERA-MAN STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO SUSAN? Sorry…I typically do not like typing in all-caps but…come on…I mean…really…come on. They are becoming experts in inferring that they are ghosts. Suggesting that they are ghosts. Leading you on as if they are ghosts…but not coming out and saying it. It's like the mob…$100 a week and you and your establishment remain…."accident-free." Don't pay…*shrugs*…never know what happens. They never really say it…but the meaning is pretty clear. So much for objectivity…
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5:23 pm
February 23, 2011
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I finally got this episode and so I watched it. I thought the shadow figure that they captured was Paul. Every time he went to take a picture, he would go in front of the laser light, which I thought was rather stupid. Wouldn't he just be taking a picture of himself outlined by the laser light? Susan feels her hair being pulled, yet has a backpack on and hoods. It's amazing how your hair can easily get tangled in things and feel like it's being pulled. I've had that happen many times to me and I don't believe a ghost is pulling it. I don't believe she "heard" a moan either.
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