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6:09 am August 2, 2010
| Learjet
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It's been a few days since this aired but no comments yet so…. GHI visit one of Hitler's bunkers in Poland known as "The Wolf's Lair".
Rob and Brandy have some EMF meters setup on a table and try to make conversation with the heater, er sorry a ghost. I notice some "answers" in the form of EMF hits came before the questions were finished. Strangely this "evidence" was either not presented at the reveal or was presented but edited out. Curious… http://yfrog.com/n8emfmetersj
Anyway, I notice this a lot when others also try to talk to the toaster, er sorry again I mean ghost. This is about as bad as the SFT, so maybe I should call it the SEMFMT (Stupid EMF Meter Trick). Nah, too long.
Just how long does one wait for a response? A second, a minute, a month? And if the response comes too early does the ghost have precognitive powers?
So many EMF meters with so many opportunities, they must have identified the type of powerline, er sorry I mean ghost by now. 
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7:07 am August 2, 2010
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I'm going from memory here so correct me if I'm wrong:
Didn't Robb ask something like "Are you a man or a woman?" ie a question that does not have a yes or no answer and thus not a good candidate for the SEMFMT? But did not the EMF light go on anyway?
Then did not Robb realize his mistake and ask if it was a man…no light. Brandy follows up with "a woman?" Light goes on.
Since the light came on for a non-binary type question, their interpretation that the light goes on for YES answers is flawed.
And what's with that gridded array of lights on the meter? I paused it and it looks like it's to have blinky lights for different ranges incase the intensity of the signal is high or low, but it seems like they have a new meter every two episodes!
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7:45 am August 2, 2010
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Two observations:
1) EVPs: When the question was asked, "Do you speak English?", I thought the response was 'nyet', not 'yes'.
2) I imagine it would not be PC to do so, which is probably why they didn't, but if you're looking for Hitler's ghost, wouldn't references to Jews or concentration camps be in order? The girls' attempt at provoking was embarrassing: 'You're a bad person', 'The world would have been better off without you', and my favorite 'Why are you afraid of us'…..please. It was almost like they didn't really know enough about him to ask anything specific.
EDIT: Learjet/Nosfer, I'm about to the point that when they pull out some contraption that blinks or beeps, I zone out.
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8:31 am August 2, 2010
| HollyDolly
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If the response was nyet, instead of the english yet, it could have been a russian soldier answering,since nyet is no and da is yes in Russian.That would make sense in regards to the russians moving through Poland into Germany during the war.
I agree Crow T Robot, it might not have been pc to ask the questions you mentioned, however something along that line might have given them some sort of response.
All I remember about Wolf's Lair is from what I have read and seen from War and Remembrence the mini series with Jane Seymour and Robert Mitchum back in the late 1990s or early 2000, or later.There is a scene in which they recreate the bombing of Wolf's Lair with Count von Stauffenberg, and anthor ,The Plot to Kill Hitler.Haven't rented the Tom Cruise version on the subject with him as von Stauffenberg.
If they bothered to read something on the subject, i believe a couple of officers were killed and several including Hitler were wounded in the bombing . They could have called on those killed there or asked if the spirit of Stauffenberg was there.They also could have asked Hitler questions with regards to the war, say in regards to the battle of Stalingrad,withut even bringing the subject of the jews and the final solution.
I mean come on.You have a man like Hitler and you tell him he's a bad person.That's like going to some place that Stalin hung out in Russia and asking him how he liked his tea made, instead of asking why he purged the army before the war,and all the terrible things he did, which few in the west have heard about.
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8:39 am August 2, 2010
| Learjet
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Looks like this meter 1/3 the way down the page. http://www.lessemf.com/gauss.html
It's capable of 60 Hertz blocking via a side switch but if that indicator light just above the sensitivity knob illuminates when filtering is selected, then it's not on.
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12:37 pm August 2, 2010
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I need some clarification on the EVP "Where is Hitler?" I only watched this episode once, so I couldn't varify anything about it.
Like always, they seemed amazed when someone heard "Where is Hitler" in a female voice. For the record, I'm having a harder and harder time hearing these EVP's. Either they changed their software or the way they record it for television or…maybe it's just the "quality" of the EVP's themselves. But man, I just can't seem to hear a bunch of them lately. Anyway…
A few days after the episode aired, I was watching SyFy and they ran a GHI promo with Brandy distinctly asking "Where is Hitler?" It's plain as day. That threw up a red flag.
Is Brandy seen during any sort of EVP session where she asks that? If not, is she seen saying it during the review of the evidence? If the answer to both of those questions are "no"…then things start getting a little murky.
It's just kind of weird that the GHI promo has Brandy asking the question when they just could have used the EVP version. And when you're asking 18,000 questions during EVP sessions (or just walking around) and you "catch" a complete question…do you really take it at face value or do you entertain the possibility of contamination from the three females on the crew?
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6:29 pm August 2, 2010
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Learjet said:
Rob and Brandy have some EMF meters setup on a table and try to make conversation with the heater, er sorry a ghost. I notice some "answers" in the form of EMF hits came before the questions were finished. Strangely this "evidence" was either not presented at the reveal or was presented but edited out. Curious… http://yfrog.com/n8emfmetersj
I recall one question Robb asked was "Do you understand?" And no response was seen! Peculiar. Chose not to answer or didn't understand any of the questions asked, thus lights random? Or nothing there in the first place. Could you see any reactions on the Trifield meter that was right to the left of it?
I can't tell on that new-fangled one they have, I did a brief search looking for an instruction manual but couldn't find any details on what the significance of the middle light was (I think the one to the right near power was the power light) nor the red LED at the top.
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2:35 am August 3, 2010
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As far as I could tell, the Trifield was silent, but I'm not sure which model this is (there are 3) or which setting was used. There is a buzzer on the Trifield as you may remember from my electrostatic video.
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6:17 am August 3, 2010
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Learjet said:
As far as I could tell, the Trifield was silent, but I'm not sure which model this is (there are 3) or which setting was used. There is a buzzer on the Trifield as you may remember from my electrostatic video.
They used that buzzer quite effectively also during one of their (GHI's) first uses of EMF detector's as conversation tools…might have been at Pucksley. Another thing to wonder about: They concentrate solely on the center one and do not raise any questions about whether the other ones on the table are being "manipulated"
Since they are in the dark (read that any way you like lol) I have to suspect that the Trifield was set on the "make noise" setting. Afterall, I'm not sure in the dark from that distance that they'd see the needle moving!
Is there any theory out there that ghosts could only manipulate ONE of the meters? Sort of like EVPs showing up on only ONE recorder (Monique never answered my question in the Flashlight Button thread) If it's just their energy that sets it off, then whether this was legit or faked, all meters should have picked it up unless the entity was standing such that it was only along the axis of one of the meters. But since it had to move to turn the lights off, you'd think at some point one of the other ones would be tripped.
I'd like to see a bunch of single-axis meters set up in a row and the test be for the entity to walk along them, passing through each meter's axis as it goes. If the meters registered in a cascade like form, ie, first one, then the next one, then the next and so on down the line. Then I would start to go "hmmmmmmm"
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8:01 am August 3, 2010
| Learjet
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Nosfer said:
Is there any theory out there that ghosts could only manipulate ONE of the meters?
Well, we don't even know what settings these meters are set to. If one is set to electric fields, one magnetic and one AC then only one is likely to activate.
If (assuming ghosts exist) they have a surrounding EM field of some sort (Red card from Revenant for an assumption based on another assumption) we have no idea how far that field extends. In the world of the living, placing 2 meters, 2 metres apart for an electric field might be enough. Like I mentioned in another thread, lable one meter "yes" and the other "no", should make Q&A a breeze. Though now I believe the whole EMF/ghost thing is a wild goose chase. This GHI episode only reinforces that.
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8:10 am August 3, 2010
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Learjet said:
Well, we don't even know what settings these meters are set to. If one is set to electric fields, one magnetic and one AC then only one is likely to activate.
I think the field around the ghost is pretty big…remember the ship they did with the guy from Eureka (GH, that is, not GHI) In that one the meters were apart, unfortunately I can't recall HOW FAR apart but there was definitely some distance separating them, meter or two? Both of the lights came on. Course wasn't that a case where there were multiple entities present? Based, of course, upon the answers the K2 was giving in the first place lol…talk about a house of cards!
You're right, the meters at the Wolf's Lair could have been on different settings, we only saw two of them up close…I'm not sure what settings were (or what it was capable of detecting) on the meter to the right…I think that's the first time we've seen that one used, too.
If these folks had a gram of intent of proving or showing or documenting ANYTHING, they would explain what the settings were as they set the meters up…and probably lose 83% of the audience. They would also have to understand their equipment better so as to explain it, too. They may understand it, but that sure doesn't come across very well as that image you posted of them using the powerline meter showed.
In a field where so little is actually known, you do have to make assumptions, but where we differ from what we see going on on the shows is recognizing the need to test those assumptions. We don't know if an entity exists, or whether it has a field around it, or how big the field is. If you make a guess at the extent of the supposed field, I would say that would be three assumptions! But you could then begin testing. When all is unknown, you have to start _somewhere_.
The preceding paragraph is somewhat tongue-in-cheek because there is actually a fourth assumption, that being that what we were seeing in that scene was actually what was REALLY happening.
I'll have to take a look at that table again, but I don't think that a data-logging thermometer was in use…what a missed opportunity :(
One of the times the meter lit up, was that in response (thus a yes) to the question of "will I be able to see you [in these photos]?" or words to that effect?
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6:14 pm August 3, 2010
| Learjet
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How would the ghost know it would be seen in the photos? Since no ghost photos in that section turned up for evidence than that would seem bogus as well.
Yes I remember the two K-II meters in the scene you mentioned. I don't believe a localised EM field surrounding an entity would be big enough to set both off, unless Jabba the Hutt was there. More likely this was a large field generated by the ship's power. Was this the same episode where the film crew camera had constant audio buzz on it from AC power leaking in? You know it has to be pretty high to get into the camera gear.
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6:39 pm August 3, 2010
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Brandy's question of "Did you stay here with Hitler?" is followed by some changing lights on the far right meter, but nothing on the center one. They don't seem to acknowledge that activity.
No lights for either question of whether or not the entity was murdered or died of natural causes. What other choice is there?
"Now when I look at these pictures are we going to be able to see you or are you going to remai…" The lights come on right at the word "or"
I'll have to pay attention the next time they show the USS Hornet, I think that may be one of the few times we've seen multiple meters used like that and it sure raises some questions about the whole energy field. Remember the one where they were using the K2 to get a very tight outline of the entity sitting on the bench? The field didn't extend more than a few centimeters from the way the K2 was lighting up.
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5:21 pm August 4, 2010
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What about the "shadow" caught on video? I wasn't paying a lot of attention, asking myself why I still bother watching this show or any of the ghost hunting shows. I did see Brandy's "great catch" (to paraphrase Barry) of a shadow caught while the camera pans left , then right, from a window, along a wall and back. You can see something, I guess it could be a shadow, in the lower left corner, moving right while the camera moves right, then moves left as the camera pans left. The shadow didn't seem to have a movement of its own but depended on the movement of the camera. GHI seemed to think this was a major find. It didn't look like much to me.
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7:59 pm August 6, 2010
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Given some of the quirks they've had with these DIY setups there's always room for glitches. I don't want to use that as a cop-out explanation but there was something about the pan that made me wonder if we were seeing a ghost…no, not a paranormal one, rather a latent image that was "shifted" or "retained" in the pan and appeared out of place…like the "face and sword earring" in this week's episode. I'd need to look at it again.
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9:55 pm August 13, 2010
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(Belated) blog episode review is here.
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