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11:28 am
August 16, 2009


HipKat

HipKat

Investigator

posts 45

Is this guy even remotely credible??

Every single thing/place he investigates, he sees something, hears something, feels something.

I think he should apply for Paranormal State.

3:36 pm
August 16, 2009


Sheetie Attitude

Investigator

posts 50

Welcome HipKat.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask if any of them seem all that credible anymore?  I believe that the scripting, plus the bad acting, plus the entertainment 'value' (and I do use that word lightly) has taken over any of the original ideas that spawned the concept of the show.

Regarding Barry, I tend to pick up some ego.  Like he has to prove himself to be the ultimate tech master of the Universe or something.  Granted, he does give just about every type of camera known to man an honest try.  You can't fault him for variety or flavor. 

IMO, he is coming off as a bit dramatic lately but I think some of it might be due to the way the show is edited and slapped together for our viewing pleasure.  He's written a book with Dustbin and probably has some other irons in the fire so who knows what's going on in his life at this point or how hard he feels he has to work to prove his worth. 

9:09 am
August 17, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I will say this about Barry: he is a very creative individual who is a talented photographer.  In other words, he's quite well-rounded.  Being of a sensitive nature, he does sometimes over react.  On his MySpace, he always takes the time to answer my questions, something I've rarely gotten from anyone else connected to these shows.

I think he is serious and sincere.  As he wrote me, he feels researchers must go out on a limb and try new types of equipment; specifically, the full spectrum camera.  I did not pick up any fakeness coming off of him.  Perhaps he has wanted a bigger role.  He has to my memory never appeared with Robb at a reveal.  It may be that he feels he has been associated with the group long enough to have moved up in the ranks.  Who knows?

And now they bring in Paul–IMO you could have cut the tenseness with a knife.  It really doesn't seem fair.  Or maybe I'm just defending Barry too much.  But he really is serious about what he does; just a bit excitable.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

11:27 am
August 17, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Oubliette said:

Perhaps he has wanted a bigger role.  He has to my memory never appeared with Robb at a reveal.  It may be that he feels he has been associated with the group long enough to have moved up in the ranks.  Who knows?

And now they bring in Paul–IMO you could have cut the tenseness with a knife.  It really doesn't seem fair.  Or maybe I'm just defending Barry too much.  But he really is serious about what he does; just a bit excitable.


Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with both Hipkat and Oubliette, even though they have opposing views.

First, does Barry see, hear and feel things constantly?  Yeah, he sure does.  Yet…who doesn't?  Sheetie Attitude said "I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask if any of them seem all that credible anymore?"  A valid question.  Does Barry see, hear, and feel anything more than Joe Chin or Dustin or Ashley or Brian or any of the other current or past members?  Not in the least.  The only exception was Andy.  Pertaining to either GH or GHI, I no longer have any confidence in personal experiences that are not backed by some sort of hard-wired evidence.

So taking that into account, how do I view Barry?  Well, he doesn't quite fit in all that well because the dynamics of the GHI team are completely out of whack.  They have tried to emulate the exact same "team formula" that GH uses.  It doesn't work for them.  Robb isn't as strong as a leader as Jason is.  Robb and Dustin don't share the same chemistry that J&G do.  Barry is infinitely different than Steve.  Smarter and much more savvy.  To reduce him to "Steve's job" is a mistake in my opinion.  He is much more than that.  They need to do their own thing, keep their members for more than a few weeks, and develop their own chemistry.

Is Barry getting frustrated?  Probably.  Why is Dustin "ranked" higher?  Why doesn't Dustin help with the evaluation of the evidence?  Again, it's the old GH formula.  J&G don't, so Robb and whoever he chooses don't.  Very odd actually.  So they bring in Paul.  Was Barry angry with this?  Who knows?  Can't tell from a single show.  I mean, it could have been anything…back pain, didn't agree with the food in Chile, the time change…too many variables that we don't know to make a judgement upon only one show.

Overall, what should Barry's role be?  First and foremost, his choice in hats is beyond reproach.  He should definitely be in charge in the selection of the hats.  If he needs someone to smack that backwards, upside-down visor off of Dustin's head, I'm sure he could run a contest…no shortage of volunteers for that duty.  Beyond the obvious, he really should be there for the walk-through, he's earned that.  But, I really want him evaluating the evidence though.  He does a decent job at that.  I think some of his best moments this past "season (is 6 episodes a season?)" were debunking some of the evidence during the evaluation of it.  As for his investigating style…well, I'm not a huge fan of it.  A bit dramatic.  He's still got a bit of "show-man" in him from his ghost-tour days.  It's hard being dramatic and scientific at the same time. 

Well…that's my take on Barry… 

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:49 pm
August 17, 2009


HipKat

HipKat

Investigator

posts 45

OK, maybe I was a little harsh. I do appreciate his knowledge of equipment. Heck, I WANT some of those toys!!

Maybe I'm a little stuck in the past seasons, but it just seems like he ALWAYS sees a face in the air, a shadow moving, etc.

You guys have made some great points I hadn't considerd and the fact that he actually answers you on his MySpace makes me want to ask him the question I threw at Brian that ended the ongoing conversation we had and was never even read by Steve: What software do they use for recording remote IR cams?

Maybe you guys have a good suggestions!

11:02 am
August 18, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Just some more thoughts–

Revenant has an excellent point regarding how the GH formula does not work for GHI.  I would not be ready to give up on them just yet, but they do need a make over and a fresh approach.  IMO they are in the main an intelligent bunch.  It might be just me, but I don't rate Jay and Grant very high when it comes to smarts.  The long time posters here know that it is my personal belief that Jason shows an obvious dislike, and will manage to get rid of, most people who either have a higher education or simply are more cerebral than he is.  Brian is the exception as he seems to have problems of his own, though he has matured a bit since his GH days.  But it's like Jason will always be that high school bully.  Again, just my opinion. I mention these points not as personal attacks but how the mix of personalities influences the final outcome of a show.

The last time I saw Jason and Barry shake hands, they barely touched.  It would not be surprising to me that there is no love lost between those two now either. 

I think people just need to get to know Barry better.  He's cultured and has a "European" attitude.  His photography is superb, so much so that I had to write him and ask what camera he uses for his personal photos that are up on his MySpace (a Fuji S5 Pro).  He can be very thoughtful and introspective at times.  And also has quite the sense of humor, as shown by some of his personal pics. 

He deserves better and has a lot to offer to GHI.  Again, as Revenant wrote, he is great when it comes to analysing evidence, and will not hesitate to debunk something.  Due to his love of photography, I think he's doing a more than decent job with the tech stuff (which begs the reason why Paul was brought in as a "tech specialist"). 

I say redo GHI and at least let Barry sit in on the reveal.  He's earned as much.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

2:00 pm
August 18, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

I like Barry. I like his personality, well as much as it can be portrayed on the show anyway. He reminds me of a mischievous Irish leprechaun!

I don't think much of his electronic skills though. He's completely clueless with EMF meters. A pro ghost hunting tech specialist needs better knowledge of radio, the electromagnetic spectrum and electronics. 

I don't see a problem with multiple tech specialists, as long as they specialise in different areas. In fact the whole team should be specialists in their respective field, not general dog's body jack of all trades. If you're going to use scientific toys to detect spooks, experts in the field are needed. And no that isn't Paul. Paul replacing Barry would be a disaster!

OD'd on EMF

8:36 pm
August 18, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Barry is/was a ghost tour guide – from 2003

"I’m Barry Fitzgerald, currently I run my own business
based in Northern Ireland called Brise d’ espirit. The business offers
members of the public the ability to stay in Haunted locations through
out Ireland and this stemmed from some 9 years serious research into the
Paranormal."

http://lists.topica.com/lists/HauntedPlaces/read/message.html?sort=&mid=906299526

His business was based on people getting the ghost experience that he sells, and he seems to do a good job at it.  I think he was an excellent choice for the show since it's goal is entertainment … it's simply not aimed at the skeptical viewer.

This is some interesting reading,  which may or may not be by him ( this the internet after all )

http://novaparanormalsociety.com/difference.htm

I found this line "On most occasions you will be able to walk into a property and you can almost sense if a ghost in present, "  

Isn't that just a great lead up for a ghost tour guide ? 

1:04 pm
August 19, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

@ The Doctor,

Yes, Barry did have his own ghost tour operation.  It's been mentioned several times throughout this board.  In fact, I sent the same link to Oubliette quite some time ago when she had sent me a picture Barry had taken.  You can find it very easily through Barry's MySpace page although the website he mentioned shut down probably @ 2005.  Bits and pieces of the site can still be viewed as late as June 2006.  The very first two sentences of Barry's post, which was omitted above, seem to be one of the keys to Barry's ghost hunting philosophy:

"They say any place where man has lived is 'Haunted'.  Personally I would tend to agree."

The second link from NOVA Paranormal (Northern Virginia) was taken directly from the TAPS website (where Barry is still listed as a member) as are the numerous other articles by Jason & Grant, etc. which NOVA has posted for the "Hunters" on their own site.  Barry is the author and you can verify that by simply going to the TAPS website and looking under the title "Articles" on the upper left.

Learjet – I loved your description of Barry.  "He reminds me of a mischievous Irish leprechaun!"  Very true.

I agree with Revenant and Oubliette in the fact that Barry just doesn't seem to quite fit into this group.  Neither did Andy but, strange enough, Barry almost has that excitable quality of Andy although at times he's overly dramatic but that's his personality.  Andy, as annoying as he seemed at times, was a great debunker and you could just see the enthusiasm he brought with him on every episode.  He was the one light of hope when I watched GHI and as I've said it before and I'll say it again, I liked Andy.  Barry brings with him the mischievous leprechaun qualities as Learjet mentioned.  He's proven to be better than anyone presently with GH or GHI in debunking and deserves to be at the reveal.  Dustin, not so much.  He's almost embarrassing as he drones on and on.  Both Dustin and Robb are devoid of personality in my opinion and no matter whether he's frosting his spiked hair and wearing his hat backwards, upside down or whatever, Dustin is boring and so is Robb.

GHI needs to clean house, analyze why previous members have left, and get some real personality if it is to survive and they need to stick to it.  This flavor of the week is one of the reasons they cannot gel.  They can't bank on the GH train to keep them going up the mountain for much longer no matter what Pilgrim or Syfy and their PR minions say.

3:46 pm
August 19, 2009


HipKat

HipKat

Investigator

posts 45

alicat said:

Both Dustin and Robb are devoid of personality in my opinion and no matter whether he's frosting his spiked hair and wearing his hat backwards, upside down or whatever, Dustin is boring and so is Robb


Man,  is that ever true.

Dustin seemed to have more charisma on GH, when he knew his place as a Jr. investigator and had good interaction with the crew.

Now, all of a sudden, this season, he thinks he's Grant.

4:06 pm
August 19, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

@ HipKat – "Now, all of a sudden, this season, he thinks he's Grant."

Agreed and, in my opinion, I wouldn't consider that a compliment. Wink

11:01 pm
August 19, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

alicat said:

The second link from NOVA Paranormal (Northern Virginia) was taken directly from the TAPS website (where Barry is still listed as a member) as are the numerous other articles by Jason & Grant, etc. which NOVA has posted for the "Hunters" on their own site.  Barry is the author and you can verify that by simply going to the TAPS website and looking under the title "Articles" on the upper left.


Yes, that's one of my favorite articles at the TAPS site.  It's been there for quite a while.  I was going to do a post on it once, but…I kind of like Barry.  I didn't want to absolutely trash it.  Yet…really, I don't know what to take from it.  It's just "sooooo out there"…

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

12:56 pm
August 20, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I have received a very quick response from Barry to a PM I sent him on MySpace.  He answered that I was most kind in what I said about him (mentioning his willingness to try new ideas and his analysis of evidence) but, true or not, I detected a hint of sadness.  Wonder if he is on his way out, and not willingly?

I'm starting to think SyFy or whoever is calling the shots have been making a lot of bad decisions lately.  For instance, the coming attraction for DT last night showed one of the gals screamng her head off–just like on GH.  I fear they are starting to apply the GH formula to DT, thus ruining a great adventure show.  But we'll have to wait and see.  But I'm getting bad vibes, must admit.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

12:59 pm
August 20, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Oubliette, sadly you may be correct.  However, maybe it is the end of GHI.  No one there seems happy but, then again, neither did anyone on the first episode of GH.

4:36 pm
August 20, 2009


HipKat

HipKat

Investigator

posts 45

Man, I'd hate to see GHI go off the air, if for no other reason than the very awesomely COOL places they get into.

5:04 pm
August 20, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2956

The whole reason Steve griped about the tours and was allowed to go on them was because, being in charge of technics and set up, he needed to know where things go. It would follow, then, that Barry should be afforded the same opportunity.

Barry lost a lot of his credibility to me in the earlier GHI episodes. His random run snapping pictures, the crap he pulled with Shannon where he completely set her up and then "freaked out" over those legs was inexcusable. If it's a team effort, then everyone should go in with the same awareness, not Barry going in, psyching her up and then freaking out. It takes a lot to overcome those actions and he's yet to do that for me. He's still to excitable which is fine if there would every so often be something to be excited about. His flair for the dramatic is over the top and not a good quality when it comes to a down-to-earth scientific investigation (oh, nevermind, I guess that doesn't really apply here :) )

I'll give him the technical expertise, but I would not want him in my squad.

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9:45 am
August 23, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Nosfer said:

Barry lost a lot of his credibility to me in the earlier GHI episodes. His random run snapping pictures, the crap he pulled with Shannon where he completely set her up and then "freaked out" over those legs was inexcusable. If it's a team effort, then everyone should go in with the same awareness, not Barry going in, psyching her up and then freaking out. It takes a lot to overcome those actions and he's yet to do that for me. He's still to excitable which is fine if there would every so often be something to be excited about. His flair for the dramatic is over the top and not a good quality when it comes to a down-to-earth scientific investigation (oh, nevermind, I guess that doesn't really apply here :) )


I believe Barry is supplying exactly the function that he was placed on the team to perform.  As a Ghost Tour guide, his job is to make it exciting … to do his best to ensure that the client perceives that they have had the experience they are looking ( and paying ) for.  He does the same on GHI.

In the Season 1 Chateau LaGorce episode, pictures taken in his own bedroom were presented to the team, and then to the client out of sequence with a story wrapped around them.  For an investigator, a "tech manager" and someone who knows his way around camera equpment, this is inexcuseable.  For a Ghost Tour guide, it may be standard operating procedure.  

In another early episode he had one of the girls running helter-skelter through the castle snapping random pictures, and a similar event with Joe in an attic. I'm not sure what this is meant to accomplish as an investigation technique  , but it would be very effective for a Ghost Tour guide to leave the perception in the mind of the client that they were running after or away from a ghost.

Given a choice of a "hunt", I would rather be entertained by Barry. 

I can't imagine just sitting around with Robb and Dustin saying "please do something and we can leave", then a few days later them giving me a tape of some garble as evidence of what a great hunt I was on.

9:52 am
August 23, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2956

Given a choice of a "hunt", I would rather be entertained by Barry.

Given the choice, I'd go with option 3 which would hopefully be a competent group that knew what they were doing, knew the scientific method, knew how to use their equipment, and didn't have a tendency to scream, jump, and point.

At least during the Halloween debacle, Robb and Dustin were the only ones who seemed to really be interested in conducting a halfway decent investigation. Maybe "halfway" is being too generous, but compared to the abominations put forward by the rest of the groups, it was palatable.

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10:02 am
August 23, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2956

alicat said:

GHI needs to clean house, analyze why previous members have left, and get some real personality if it is to survive and they need to stick to it. 


I just noticed this comment, otherwise I'd have commented earlier. The analysis of why previous members may have left is applicable only if they left of their own free will. We do have to consider that no analysis might be necessary since the decision for the members to leave may have been Pilgrim's to begin with. I do say May, since we don't know all the ins and outs but the may is certainly a possibility.

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