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1:00 pm
June 5, 2010
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Lindy said:
I watched a rerun of American Paranormal today where they touched on this very subject. They mention how the investigative equipment, ie. cameras, EMF gauges, etc. will generate an electromagnetic field and how it would be necessary to account for all the backround noise before being able to attribute EMF readings to paranormal activity. The equipment is rarely static, cameramen move, investigators move about, equipment moves closer together and further apart constantly and make it virtually impossible to have an accurate and stable base reading.
I am a guest but "I am NOT an animal"
And that is precisely why none of these are really good investigations. A truly scientifically run investigation would try to eliminate such problems. These that we see are haphazard at best, randomly going around waving equipment without any real rhyme or reason. A more methodic method would be to set up (set a line of recording ones down like GL did) get some cameras running and not go moving anything around, let it run…that way you increase your time on target and also reduce the interference from random equipment movement. But, that makes for boring TV lol
Many guests are humans :) And decent humans lol Unfortunately the guest feature is used/abused occasionally like we see here :(
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2:49 pm
June 5, 2010
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If you cut us do we not bleed? 
Actually Nosfer, you're quite right, there does seem to be a lot of hit and run guests. If manners were rain drops, a lot of them would never get wet.
I'm curious about the amount of electromagnetism emitted from the human body. If a spook is sending out waves, how does a live human compare? The way the investigators and such move around, this alone is sure to create EMF spikes.
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3:48 pm
June 5, 2010
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Lindy said:
I'm curious about the amount of electromagnetism emitted from the human body. If a spook is sending out waves, how does a live human compare? The way the investigators and such move around, this alone is sure to create EMF spikes.
This is one for Learjet, but we've seen shots of them holding various detectors and either no lights on or at "0.0" reading (depending upon model) and since they are actually being HELD by a human hand, I would assume the output from the human body would be negligible, ie, below detection limits.
The brain has emissions so I wonder if someone got a really brilliant idea during the investigation if it would be detected lol
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However, as far as their evidence…it's pretty much the same thing the average uneventful episode of Ghost Show X throws at us: Two random EVPs, and a lot of "What was that?! Dude what _was_ that?!" There's just not much to discuss that you couldn't take care of with a copy paste from earlier discussions about previous episodes.
I guess there was that light thing…the one that "someone obviously missed"(and that I had to rewatch three times to see what it was they were talking about), but it's so insignificant, so tiny, so brief–I rather do feel insulted that they even brought it up, and it honestly sounds to me like they were reaching for something to criticize folks for….
Thinking back over this statement (especially the bolded portions) it gives me cause for concern. It is exactly this type of reaction to the episodes that was probably the catalyst for them "taking it up a notch" as far as evidence. Dissatisfied/bored viewer make for increased activity. As I said above, the "light" footage was rather interesting to me and I think MORE TIME should have been spent on it
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4:17 pm
June 5, 2010
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Regarding EMF meter conflict, some meters actually do create considerable self EMF (we call it RF noise). One type in particular, the ElectroSensor, is quite capable of being detected by other EMF meters and spectrum analysers whenever it's turned on. Please refer to the spectrum graphs.
http://yfrog.com/jocapt0810110955j
http://yfrog.com/jvcapt0810110953j
These are waterfall time based traces. Frequency is left to right, time is top to bottom. The diagonal blue lines are "EMF" that the electroSensor is spewing out all by itself. It looks a lot like traces from a sweep generator. It can easily be picked up by a Gauss Master or for that matter a long wave or medium wave AM radio.
Now not all EMF meters are quite that noisy, but one has to be ever careful with any piece of electronic equipment. In general, placing sensitive equipment in close proximity is bad practise and should be avoided.
Regarding "EMF" and human bodies. "EMF" is a generic blanket term used to describe just about any type of electric or magnetic field. In reality there are many different types and terms.
The type of meters they are using on GHA, if I have my equipment type right, are SLF/ULF types that are sensitive to AC fields only at 30 – 300 Hertz. These are not capable of detecting human or animal bodies.
There are types that are – like the Trifield natural or Ramsey K-III etc that can detect the small electrostatic charges from humans or animals when set to "electric". I can trigger my Trifield off from at least 2 metres away and when the cat walks in it goes off also.
As you can imagine, as a radio tech I am constantly disappointed by the complete lack of education on these silly ghost shows about all things EMF. It's an incredibly complex field of study and I barely understand the basics. Since the teachers themselves on these shows don't have a clue, one can't expect the students to be any better.
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5:44 pm
June 5, 2010
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Thanks Learjet, I knew you were the one to call in on this :) Would the emissions be of a nature that they could be "phased out" of the result, I mean would their signature be consistently detectable and able to be isolated and removed?
It's too bad that a show explaining the various way of setting off the various types of meters and how to use them properly would be so boring to the vast majority of the audiences. I think a lot could be gained by it and it's exactly the type of course material that one would hope to learn at, say, some sort of Academy. Just don't make for excitin' TV unfortunately :(
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4:03 am
June 6, 2010
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Nosfer said:
Would the emissions be of a nature that they could be "phased out" of the result, I mean would their signature be consistently detectable and able to be isolated and removed?
Not phased out or removed but identifyable, yes. Each trace pattern is unique, like a cell phone plot, a TV trace or something generated by the power grid, they all leave an identifyable trace pattern like a signature on waterfall type spectrum analysers.
Some meters, like one recently used on GH had a powerline notch filter.
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1:37 pm
June 6, 2010
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Well, it appears this is not S02E01, but S01E07 – SyFy does not consider this a second season …
GHA appears to have not been renewed for a second season so far.
The reveal is available as a deleted scene on SyFy -
http://video.syfy.com/shows/ghost_hunters_academy/deleted_scenes_5/season_1_2/first-client-reveal–bonus-scene–ghost-hunters-academy/v1232046
Since this is supposed to be a training session, just what is Steve doing setting up a mini-dv accompanied by some unnamed, unknown person ?
Were the cadets tasked with, or did they even know that unknown persons might be wandeiring around changing tapes ?
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3:58 pm
June 6, 2010
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Definitely starting the two "head of the class" cadets out on the right foot…some barely intelligible EVPs and the place is…no, it doesn't have paranormal activity, no, it's not just haunted, it's "definitely haunted"!
Course, given the "Famous Historian's" statement at the beginning (was anyone else hoping to see Lancelot charging across the screen from the right slashing wildly with his sword?), I can see why the reveal was clipped out. It was a foregone conclusion when you have someone say "There's no way you could persuade me it's NOT haunted." Plus it's already been pronounced haunted by GH, I believe, so the cadets would not dare to deviate from that assessment.
Jason: "NEVER base your conclusions on the experiences that you have there"
But how often do they do just that…in reveals "given this EVP and all the personal experiences we had there, I have to say this place is haunted" Okay, yes, if one of those experiences was an undeniable full-figured floating apparition I'd probably say it was haunted, too, but if it was not recorded…where is the EVIDENCE to prove that story?
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5:42 pm
June 6, 2010
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The Doctor said:
Well, it appears this is not S02E01, but S01E07 – SyFy does not consider this a second season …
GHA appears to have not been renewed for a second season so far.
Well I don't know what to call them now. It sure seems like a second season with a brand new group and all.
The "what are you doing" EVP sounded better then when I heard it in the main episode. You know, it's possible these sound a lot better when heard in person rather than havving them play through internet, TV etc due to conversion losses.
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5:58 pm
June 6, 2010
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Learjet said:
The "what are you doing" EVP sounded better then when I heard it in the main episode. You know, it's possible these sound a lot better when heard in person rather than havving them play through internet, TV etc due to conversion losses.
That's why it would be nice to get ahold of the actual files…and in a peer-reviewed process etc we should be able to. I wondered the same thing above about compression and such for TV. Oh, and what you said above about sound effects and the music…very much so. I think this is the trend in many programs, though. There was at least one pair of episodes of DT this season that I could not hear half of what the characters were saying but the sound track was rustling the curtains across the room!
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3:49 pm
June 7, 2010
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Maybe I am deaf but I hear "where you been?' As if someone was asking maybe a fellow castmate… or maybe not.
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8:07 am
June 8, 2010
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ginrog said:
Maybe I am deaf but I hear "where you been?' As if someone was asking maybe a fellow castmate… or maybe not.
I'm amazed at how many times the number of syllables in the "explanation phrase" is no where close to the number of syllables I hear in the "evp" I was very pleased several episodes ago when Grant actually mentioned something I've been haranguing on for some time….AUDIO MATRIXING! I wish they would consider that more often in their results.
Especially when you can hear a recording, have no clue what it might say, then Jason says "We thing it says 'Shop at Target'" and you say "oh yeah, I DO hear that" and the client says "Well I hear 'Mop the floor, Rhett'" and you say "oh yeah, I DO hear that" Generally a pretty good sign that some matrixing is going on!
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6:00 am
June 9, 2010
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Nosfer said:
I can see why the reveal was clipped out. It was a foregone conclusion when you have someone say "There's no way you could persuade me it's NOT haunted."
Very true – everywhere they have gone so far their instructors have already come to a conclusion. The cadets already know the answer, so just how skeptical are they supposed to be ?
It was interesting that the stationary camera shot with the light that Jason was so hot about during the critique of the cadets was not included in the reveal.
Regarding the girl who was kicked off, she is seen in the small room when the cadets are milling around with the EMF detectors. The THEY leave the area, and Tango goes back and chastizes HER for wandering off.
Later on, she goes "behind the curtain" and finds what seems to be a stash of costumes and props used for the commercial activities.
Now a skeptical mind would ask if these are used during their paid "Ghost Hunts" ? … or if the secent of formaldehyde reported could have been left by promotors as part of the experience ?
Any professional paranormal investigatior should ask every commerical operator if props or actors are used during their Ghost Tours. It would seem that any instruction to students would include a strong warning to watch out for this.
Natalie Poole – If you are reading this know that at least one skepticalviewer thinks your curiousity and desire to persue it made you the best of this sorry lot so far.
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6:49 am
June 9, 2010
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The Doctor said:
It was interesting that the stationary camera shot with the light that Jason was so hot about during the critique of the cadets was not included in the reveal.
Regarding the girl who was kicked off, she is seen in the small room when the cadets are milling around with the EMF detectors. The THEY leave the area, and Tango goes back and chastizes HER for wandering off.
I was wondering if the other members should have been kicked off for "leaving one of their own behind"
I'm sure the light footage was debunked given that it wasn't used, and I think I could see a reasonable explanation for it when I looked at it, but I think that would have provided an excellent training opportunity for the cadets as far as trying to recreate the footage. Or at least to show the viewing audience that they were thoroughly examining the evidence. It was also odd that it was the camera that Steve and that unknown person (could have just been unamed cadet but I would think he would have said who) set up.
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2:47 pm
June 9, 2010
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Nosfer said:
I'm sure the light footage was debunked given that it wasn't used, and I think I could see a reasonable explanation for it when I looked at it, but I think that would have provided an excellent training opportunity for the cadets as far as trying to recreate the footage.
It would have been interesting for the viewers also, unlike them showing what seems to be a minute or so of Jason pissed off at them for missing it – about the same as he did 'way back when Stango seemed to have fast forwarded through the tapes and he and Grant had to re-review it.
I would think that the Mini-dv setup and pointing out that every hour there will be someone and their noises going back to that camera would be of extreme importance.
Hey Natiile Poole – what do you think ?
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4:43 pm
June 16, 2010
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Topton House:
Steve: "Let's break another rule. Let's have her come down alone with the EVP recorder"
This after Brian already made the call to split up because it was safe and they were within earshot. Hmmmmmm!
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11:46 am
July 8, 2010
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The Doctor said:
Wonder whatever happened to the guy who was supposed to be held over from the first series.
Can't remember if there were one or two to be held over, think there were two? I can't really remember much about any of the ones from the last half-season, must have made a real impression!
On SciFi forum yesterday I found two posts (one supposedly from someone who heard that someone asked Steve, and the other similar, but the name was changed to Tango) The short of it was that they declined the offer to come back.
One formed his own group and has a facebook page where that is one of the most recent questions and he replies:
"I decided not to sign with this next season in order to pursue the paranormal field here in Tennessee with my own team."
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nashville-TN/Tennessee-Wraith-Chasers/243799408396
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12:27 pm
July 12, 2010
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Nosfer said:
One formed his own group and has a facebook page where that is one of the most recent questions and he replies:
"I decided not to sign with this next season in order to pursue the paranormal field here in Tennessee with my own team."
Well, so much for honesty when he said he wanted to join the family … and I suspect he's not being honest with us now.
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