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6:17 am
June 3, 2010
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Learjet
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GHA is back with Season2.
Just a few comments. With 8 investigators, Steve, Tango and the camera crew it sure looks crowded with them all just about tripping over each other. Evidence contamination comes to mind, not that they caught much.
Their EMF meter sweeps like donkey's following a carrot where hilarious. I was waiting for someone to fall through a hole by not looking where they were going. 
Anyway, this season really is in survivor style with an elimination every week. And Jason gets to be on the elimination panel.
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10:11 am
June 3, 2010
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I was drinking Ice Tea when Jason began to rattle off his five points of criteria for becoming a great paranormal investigator for them. When "skepticism" hit the number one spot…I almost spit out my Ice Tea when I heard that. Obviously…Jason's got jokes.
What I found curious was the shot of the "Ghost Hunter" labels on the backpacks filled with ghost-hunting gear. I'm assuming this is something that they sell now? And not only the backpack themselves, but do they now sell ghost-hunting backpacks filled with gear? Like a ghost-hunting kit? I really haven't checked to see what they're selling these days beyond the typical t-shirts and hats. And really…just from a financial viewpoint…shouldn't GHA really be used as a showcase for all their new gear and merchandise? Win a challenge and you get our new sweatshirt and hat…available at our website…for a limited time only. I mean, if you're go sell out…go big or go home.
The only other thing that stood out to me was the choice of kicking off the multi-colored hair girl as opposed to the wishy-washy guy with the snazzy hat. Keeping the guy who can't make up his mind or refuses to name names is bad TV. Keeping the weird girl who no one seems to like and seems to lie about things when confronted…that's good TV. Six years in the game and they still haven't learned this.
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"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer
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8:20 pm
June 3, 2010
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I wonder just what the entertainment in this show was supposed to be -
There wasn't much interesting Ghost Hunting, there was nothing they taught that could not have been learned by watching the series, there was no real competition going on.
Techmangler Steve tells them they can't rewind while reviewing the tapes ? … seriously ?
Then they throw out the only girl who did anything interesting at all.
Wonder whatever happened to the guy who was supposed to be held over from the first series.
OH – the kit they sell in the SysFy store includes a K-II,flashlight and themometer for $225
Now that would have been fun watching them all 8 of them wandering with K-II's !
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11:54 pm
June 3, 2010
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Haven't watched this one yet….waiting for it to be posted on youtube, but I take it the promised "shift" to put it more in line with conventional Survival clones is in play — that is, kicking someone off each show to see them cry and mope?
The most interesting part of the first season was watching that fat lummox Steve make up crap to criticize the contestants for…..well, that and that they found near-zilch for "evidence" the entire season….makes the GH franchise look all the more fishy, given that finding evidence is rather something they're encouraged to do, with that coveted position on teh real taps being in contest.
Ah….midway through writing this I've found it in non-ratings boosting format. A minute in and wow….these are some seriously painfully stupid people I'd be infinitely comforted to learn that they're actors.
"Skepticism….Technical Knowledge…Honesty…."
….yeah, that's so terrible that picking on it is like beating up a wheelchair-bound six year old with down syndrome. It speaks for itself.
I should just pipe down and save my commentary for _after_ I've watched the whole train wreck from beginning to end…but I have to comment on one more thing: This is remarkably bad entertainment, poorly put together….even if you make all the "evidence" issues moot and discounted….does this not just seem badly produced, badly edited, and just unprofessional and fractured? It just seems unfit to even submit as a film school project, even….
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1:26 am
June 4, 2010
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Ok…done with it. And I have to say this is a new all time low for the TAPS franchise.
I'm throwing out the usual "criticism of the evidence" angle we usually use to attack this show…as this program just isn't worth the effort.
How this "find the ghost" footage/audio competition works is not only unexplained and tensionless(tensionless = bad television)…it's just completely senseless and baseless. The end of the episode comes up…I don't know any of these people, I only barely had a chance to know what the hell the problems are that Jason(who wasn't even there, supposedly) and Tweedle dum and tweedle-tool (Steve and Tango, respectively) using for the forced kick off event that concludes the show.
"Natalie, you have to go home."
Me: "Who's Natalie? What did she do–"
"You didn't follow our protocols."
*fast montage that apparently is supposed to serve as justification plays*
Me: Wait, what?
"Natalie, you're gone, I wish you the best of luck."
Maybe I'm just slow, but the only thing I was able to conclude about Natalie through the course of the show was that she was one of the contestants who happened to be vagina-american….I honestly can't remember how many women were even in the group to start. My guess is two? Nevermind that whole…screenwriting 101 concept of having the audience develop an attachment to the character so that you actually care when something bad happens to them…this is kind of an important thingy, even in reality tv.
Apologies…I'm just still in shock over how bad and sloppy this first episode was. Did Pilgrim even produce this? He's a sleazebag, but at least he put together a slickly edited little show with Ghost Hunters. Whereas…._this_ was a confusing, boring and forgettable pile of nothing.
Even if you have a "one kick off" per episode mantra….any idiot knows you don't start doing that on the premier. The first season was pathetic, but at least I knew who all these piles of fail were by the time they started booting them off.
Were the "nongraduating" members of "last year's" class even still there, as promised previously, with this? I don't recall seeing them, and honestly don't want to rewatch it to make sure they were or weren't.
If the GH/TAPS Industry is going to slip to this level…I don't see why they don't just go all out and make it like the WCW….
Extreme Paranormal was truly ahead of its time, as I earlier predicted. It is the final pokemon evolution of the ghost hunting show…
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3:40 am
June 4, 2010
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I'm not sure if it's my imagination or not but the scary music seemed especially loud this episode also.
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5:33 am
June 4, 2010
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Reading a comment by JM in the post prior to Learjet, a post which I tended to agree with for the most part, I was startled and sadly reminded that there are those that feel the need to express themselves in very crass and low class words.
Where am I going with this? Here's the point. After bringing up the lack of women in GHA, the description used in referring to a woman was not only totally unecessary but extremely offensive. If you don't think so, I feel sorry for you. It's also interesting coming from someone who claims to be a writer of sorts who should have the ability to express themselves in a better fashion. If you wish to talk that way in your private life or at your job, fine. However, this is not your home or your job and I suspect you wouldn't get away with it there either. This is a site where outsiders, guests and members, male, female, young and old, read your views/comments. Now, within a few guests posts (one deleted for not following the rules) and 8 member posts, we've been subjected to the calling of certain people "retards", sarcastic name calling rants on a poster because they very politely disagreed, another bullying/lecturing post without even knowing the facts, and then this disrespectful descripton. As I said, all this within a very short period of time and posts. I suggest perhaps taking a look again at the "Site Rules". There is a reason it says VERY IMPORTANT.
Now I have been a guest and a member on this site for quite a long time and I won't say I haven't been one to go after someone and, at times, very hard nosed in doing so. I'll be the first one to admit it. That being said, I have never lowered myself to crude comments/descriptions. However, this terminology was over the line, offensive and totally unnecessary to making a point.
There are still intellligent posters here yet I see no evidence of their need to express their thoughts, views and concepts in this fashion. Posters have been told about this in the past by Admin and Moderators so I ask them to step in here and correct this now before this pattern goes further.
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6:24 am
June 4, 2010
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I for one am tired of reading posts by the usual suspects criticizing others for their posts. We get it, you like to tell people how to post.
I understood that the last couple of times the same reply showed up in a thread…
Let the mods do their job.
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7:47 am
June 4, 2010
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Interesting. No desire to be a member or contribute anonymous? I don't ever recall that "same reply" ever showing up in a thread. This site is supposed to be self-monitored with mods coming in when need be. Obviously you don't get that. So what's your problem?
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10:00 am
June 4, 2010
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By "same reply" I meant the complaining reply about posting style. Every time I see a post lecturing about how someone posted, I've seen enough of them by now to guess correctly that it's usually the same poster complaining and telling people how to post. Either complaining about content, tone, style, too much caps, too much quoting, linking to an external site that they don't like for some reason, etc.
Why it happens so often, and always from the same id, I have no idea, but it gets tiring. Usually I say nothing – this time I spoke out. I just don't like bullying/controlling behavior, even online.
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1:06 pm
June 4, 2010
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When one does not keep to the site rules, you will see someone called on it. Debasing women to make a point by using vulgar language is not acceptable in any community so don't blame the poster who is offended by such bad behavior, blame the person who posted it. And, if you don't like to see someone called out then I suggest you don't read the post and move on. It's that simple.
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2:04 pm
June 4, 2010
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I wonder how the air is up on that pedestal
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2:18 pm
June 4, 2010
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Ah, didn't mention this in my other post but here's another reason for the way things are going, the SNR on this forum has gone all to hell! I think it's time the "Guest" posting feature is disabled on this site.
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4:10 pm
June 4, 2010
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Yes, I agree guest posting should be disabled considering the snarky and childish remarks by guests who never contribute a whit to this site. I thought, after being absent for a number of months, things might have changed. Evidently not. Looks like the perfect GH//GHI/GHA/TAPS mantra to me…. ignorance is bliss.
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4:41 pm
June 4, 2010
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JM said:
I'm throwing out the usual "criticism of the evidence" angle we usually use to attack this show…as this program just isn't worth the effort.
Well, rather than go for personal attacks (see below), I'll go for the "criticism of the evidence" angle. I'd really like to see the audio posted in case there is compression taking place for the "broadcast" It would take a lot of compression, though, to alter a good "What are you doing" into "Gernphal" though, and you'd think if it were that high, that none of the "alive" actors would be understandable, either.
The light that Steve finds in review. He indicates that no one comes into the frame in the hour that the tape has been running. Well, when I look at it, it appears to me that the light is on the other side of the door (I believe that is an open area or window to the left of the door allowing visual access BEYOND) If that is so, it could easily be a light from someone on the other side (never in frame) or could be even a reflection off the top part of someone (ie, their head) and the reflection is possibly off a pair of glasses (Rosalyn, perhaps, who was wearing glasses during the investigation) When I look again, it does appear possibly to be someone's head and that is the only part visible through the window/opening in the wall.
The end of the episode comes up…I don't know any of these people, I only barely had a chance to know what the hell the problems are that Jason(who wasn't even there, supposedly) and Tweedle dum and tweedle-tool (Steve and Tango, respectively) using for the forced kick off event that concludes the show.
Now, a comment on the attack angle chosen here. I'm surprise, JM, that you couldn't come up with a demeaning/stupid name for Jason. Ah, Tweedle dum and tweedle-tool…tweedle-tool? Is that the best you could come up with? You know, when we resort to referring to people with these sorts of monikers I'd say we've gone well past the point of skepticism and as I said in my other post, if that is the case, why are we even discussing them. We do ourselves no favors in the eyes of those who might look to us as examples when we refer to the cast of characters by such names.
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11:00 pm
June 4, 2010
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I do apologize for the over the top venom spitfest, there; I was just truly and thoroughly irritated with the pacing, editing and just everything narrative-wise. It honestly seemed like the transition montages and "DUN DUN DUUUUN!" bits comprised half of the show's running time. It was also late and I was tired and cranky. I …personally felt insulted that someone thought this was acceptable for airing, and _that_ statement has nothing to do with evidence or methods. I could not get over how sloppy the show was, structure and story-wise, and that did color my whole take on it.
Well, perhaps a more accurate description would be that it made my commentary more color_ful_. See, I'm trying to be cute in order to downplay a rather embarassing ragedump–please be a pal and fall for it. : )
But, at any rate, I am sorry for venting inappropriately, which I most certainly did.
However, as far as their evidence…it's pretty much the same thing the average uneventful episode of Ghost Show X throws at us: Two random EVPs, and a lot of "What was that?! Dude what _was_ that?!" There's just not much to discuss that you couldn't take care of with a copy paste from earlier discussions about previous episodes.
I guess there was that light thing…the one that "someone obviously missed"(and that I had to rewatch three times to see what it was they were talking about), but it's so insignificant, so tiny, so brief–I rather do feel insulted that they even brought it up, and it honestly sounds to me like they were reaching for something to criticize folks for–as if suddenly realizing that they had to get _something_ to inject more tension into the episode-end, somebody-gets-kicked-off event.
Evidence gathering and investigation is a barely maintained formality with this particular episode, even more so than anything the first season had to offer in it's lowest, and most desperate moments.
I suppose I'll give the show one more episode…and if it's as frustratingly unwatchable as this one was, I think I'm just gonna quit on it. Playing "ghost evidence" whackamole isn't even fun–let alone challenging, with GHA, this season or the last. Which of course leaves us with only the drama and entertainment value of the show to work with, which, as I've mentioned with no great subtlety, doesn't exactly impress me this season.
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11:24 pm
June 4, 2010
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Learjet said:
GHA is back with Season2.
Just a few comments. With 8 investigators, Steve, Tango and the camera crew it sure looks crowded with them all just about tripping over each other. Evidence contamination comes to mind, not that they caught much.
Their EMF meter sweeps like donkey's following a carrot where hilarious. I was waiting for someone to fall through a hole by not looking where they were going.
Anyway, this season really is in survivor style with an elimination every week. And Jason gets to be on the elimination panel.
Semi-related question, quoting you here so as to seem less out of the blue…
Would multiple EMF meters used in close proximity to one another cause them to go off? I honestly don't remember if they had any PKE–er, EMF meter fluctuations in the episode, and I honestly have gotten to the point, like more than a few others on the forum, where I just tune out any EMF or miligauss auctioneer type bibbling, but I'm nerdily curious now that I recall that they all were waving them around simultaneously.
Even in Ghostbusters…they only needed one PKE meter, right? : )
There's also an "Over 9000!!" joke in here somewhere, but it's too 'past 2AM' for me to find it….
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7:28 am
June 5, 2010
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JM said:
Semi-related question, quoting you here so as to seem less out of the blue…
Would multiple EMF meters used in close proximity to one another cause them to go off? I honestly don't remember if they had any PKE–er, EMF meter fluctuations in the episode, and I honestly have gotten to the point, like more than a few others on the forum, where I just tune out any EMF or miligauss auctioneer type bibbling, but I'm nerdily curious now that I recall that they all were waving them around simultaneously.
I would suspect the meters are mostly passive… Even if there was measurable output it would be consistent and thus a predicable noise that could be subtracted from the result. Thus multiple meters next to each other should not be a problem and I was very glad to see it actually. As far as I know, Ghost Lab is the only other show that's done this. It's something I suggested over a year ago, too. GL used recording EMF meters whereas GHA just set a few in a line and as far as I could tell, wasn't really paying much attention to them.
I would like to see more of this type of thing…believe me, if on those couple meters if there was a shifted spike (provided there was some time synching and recording) I would be interested in looking at that further. As it was, I don't believe they caught anything, but it was a nice (albeit slow) start.
I guess there was that light thing…the one that "someone obviously missed"(and that I had to rewatch three times to see what it was they were talking about), but it's so insignificant, so tiny, so brief–I rather do feel insulted that they even brought it up
I disagree…I found the light rather interesting and I wish they would have gone into it a bit more as far as debunk attempts. I don't think we saw any reveal, though, so that was either left off or they will kick off the next episode with it. Of course, why bother, the host at Waverly already said she was convinced the place was haunted…
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12:48 pm
June 5, 2010
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JM said:
Would multiple EMF meters used in close proximity to one another cause them to go off?
I watched a rerun of American Paranormal today where they touched on this very subject. They mention how the investigative equipment, ie. cameras, EMF gauges, etc. will generate an electromagnetic field and how it would be necessary to account for all the backround noise before being able to attribute EMF readings to paranormal activity. The equipment is rarely static, cameramen move, investigators move about, equipment moves closer together and further apart constantly and make it virtually impossible to have an accurate and stable base reading.
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