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7:35 am
June 23, 2010


Nosfer

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The next installment is entitled "Island Castaway"  The cadets take on Fort Delaware so I guess maybe that's how they are working "Island" into the title?  Castaway?  Does the "ejected one" have to remain with nothing but a coconut?  Is this the producer's attempt to make this even MORE survivoresque?

This should be an interesting episode.  As most of us know, Fort Delaware has been visited a few times by the GH team.  A very active place full of lost people wandering onto the screens of thermal imagers and yanking people.  It shall be interesting to see which of these Hawesome Events they choose to show for the "When Jason and Grant were here before…" scene.  Will they gloss over the "Honesty" portion of the 7 Guiding Principles?

My suspicion is that the Castaway will turn out to be the guy from the contest who investigated with them here the first time and who we never saw again.  His presence will be felt in the lower areas and the EVP they capture from him will be something like "Whyyy did you leave meeee?"  The other possibility will be that the EVP will sound like "Yes" or "Geshmerf"

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3:21 pm
June 23, 2010


Revenant

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Nosfer asked: "Does the "ejected one" have to remain with nothing but a coconut?"

As long as this is the coconut…I would take it and run.  Well…or swim…

Nosfer said: "A very active place full of lost people wandering onto the screens of thermal imagers and yanking people."

Allegedly…Wink

Nosfer ended with: "My suspicion is that the Castaway will turn out to be the guy from the contest who investigated with them here the first time and who we never saw again."

As I recall, I always thought that that had far less to do with the TV show and way more to do with the fact that he had many children (at least 6 from what I remember).  I always believed that the talk with the wife went south almost immediately.  You know, the old…"You want to do what and stay away for how long?"…as she picked up the brass candlestick which was shaping up to be "exhibit A."

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:53 pm
June 23, 2010


Nosfer

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You know, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a variant of that coconut used in future episodes, possibly modified so that spirits can choose what to utter!  Oh, wait, GA already did that, but with a much less cooler vocabulary.  "Ghosts?  What ghosts, you've got two empty sheets and you're drapin' 'em over 'elium balloons, you are"

Oh, right, allegedly, I do apologize for any legal trouble I may have gotten the site into.  Course, as a way of covering myself, nowhere did I say the lost people were still alive…or dead. :)

Hmmm, Jason and Grant sure managed to handle the "wife talk" pretty well, I think it may have ended favorably for them when they alledgedly held up the bottom-line terms of the new contract.

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7:54 pm
June 23, 2010


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I'm sure everyone noticed there was no reshowing of Grant's collar tug. One would think if TAPS considered the collar tug legitimate evidence of the paranormal they would have shown it tonight.

9:18 am
June 24, 2010


Revenant

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Nosfer said: "Hmmm, Jason and Grant sure managed to handle the "wife talk" pretty well, I think it may have ended favorably for them when they allegedly held up the bottom-line terms of the new contract."

Sure, "their" contracts are nice and fat.  Some contest winner?  Not so nice and fat…

Anyway, a couple of things on the new show:

First, did anyone else catch the mini-confrontation between Steve and Michelle?  Apparently, he was displeased over her inability to call various EVP's as either "paranormal" or "not paranormal."  I found that incredibly odd.  Sooo…you can either identify the sound or…it's paranormal.  Nice.  That's certainly showing skepticism… Undecided

The other thing was one of the "side-interviews" with Adam.  I was messing around with my dogs so I didn't hear it quite clearly.  He was discussing the role of the paranormal investigator and going on about how their role is to merge the one side (the paranormal) with the other (reality…well, his version of reality).  If someone could get that exact quote (SyFy won't have the show on their website until next week), that would be great.  Maybe I just heard that bit incorrectly.  But if not…anyone else find that a bit odd as well?

Well…I guess I should mention the "I have no weaknesses" comment by Eric.  I thought it was funny.  How do you impress Jason…a guy with an ego the size of Rhode Island?  Show him that your ego is the size of Arizona.  Because…you know…that will go over big with Jason.  He won't feel a need to prove that he's bigger and badder by booting you out the door.  Yeah, so…good luck with that… 

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9:53 am
June 24, 2010


Nosfer

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Revenant said:

Well…I guess I should mention the "I have no weaknesses" comment by Eric.  I thought it was funny.  How do you impress Jason…a guy with an ego the size of Rhode Island?  Show him that your ego is the size of Arizona.  Because…you know…that will go over big with Jason.  He won't feel a need to prove that he's bigger and badder by booting you out the door.  Yeah, so…good luck with that… 


I'm really not sure how those two are going to work, Jason is in quite a conundrum.  Boot Eric and you show that the person with the Jason-like qualities is not fit for the show.  I think Jason may have the ego that he thinks he can control an Eric, but also can let his "representation" shine by acknowledging the qualities.  Sort of a homunculus or a "mini-Jason"

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1:40 pm
June 24, 2010


Revenant

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Hmmm…not sure how a "mini-Jason" will work within the GHI framework.  I mean Jason wouldn't be around to "control" him, Robb would.  And that's a whole other type of dynamic.

I just looked at the official GHI website to look at their line-up (considering that they're starting up pretty soon).  They show 7 people, including Robb.  Oddly enough, it doesn't show the 2 people that won the last GHA show (whatever their names were).  So…no clue what's going on with them.

With that said…who does Eric pair up with?  Dustin pairs with Robb.  Barry and Eric would end up in a fist fight (which…would be fun to watch), so…that wouldn't happen.  So you've got Joe Chin, Brandy, Ashley or Paul (the new young guy that no one really likes or understands how he got on the show).  Eric would "steam-roll" any of those choices.

Simply put…Eric isn't a team player.  He's got it in his that he's a leader and he will act accordingly.  He will bully and snipe and push and demean anyone who stands in the way of that.  So, unless Robb is getting dumped and they're looking for a "mini-Jason" to rule GHI with an iron paranormal fist…Eric will get cut loose either next week or the week after.

For the record, my money is on Vera.  I don't know if she speaks Spanish, but she does have a slight accent which leads me to believe that she does speak a second language.  The ability to speak different languages would be awfully handy while travelling abroad.  Also, I like the fact that GHI seems a bit more open to bringing in female investigators.

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2:07 pm
June 24, 2010


Nosfer

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http://www.tv.com/ghost-hunters-international/the-spirit-of-robin-hood/episode/1344556/cast.html

Susan and Karl are both listed in the Robin Hood episode which is the season opener.

I'm not sure if the prize for GHA is a spot on GHI, though.  I don't think they specifically said what show, just that it was a chance to join TAPS?

I was thinking Vera might, as well, for the same reason…the accent, implying that probably some Spanish fluency is there. 

Perhaps in the next to last episode Eric will dismiss Jason?

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4:02 pm
June 24, 2010


Learjet

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Nosfer said:

Perhaps in the next to last episode Eric will dismiss Jason?


Hahahaha! I'd like to see that!

The episode is still coming down the pipe here. Will comment a little later…

OD'd on EMF

12:00 am
June 25, 2010


Revenant

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Kevin said: "I'm sure everyone noticed there was no reshowing of Grant's collar tug. One would think if TAPS considered the collar tug legitimate evidence of the paranormal they would have shown it tonight."

Sorry that I didn't respond earlier…for some reason I didn't see your post.  Anyway…

True, no collar tug.  However, I'm uncertain if we can draw anything from that.  The Mason/FLIR episode was edited but was not acknowledged as such to the public.  Conversely, they are still showing Race Rock (the moving chair in the light house) and ESP (the phantom with a black sheet wearing Chuck Taylor gym shoes).  And oddly enough, in this episode they did show the scene where Grant "picked up" the scary, very loud, very mechanical sounding "voice."  You know, the one that sounded like it was coming from a walkie-talkie or cell phone.  The one that Jason looked like he was trying to desperately ignore and walk away from.  Yet…they still showed that.  So…like I said, I don't think that we can draw any conclusions from them either including or not including the collar tug.

To Nosfer…thanks for the link.  Quite odd.  When you go to the GHI site, they aren't listed in the "Team" section:

http://www.syfy.com/ghosthuntersinternational/team.php

Then again, GHI does go through team members faster than my dog goes through raw-hides…so maybe they actually have to show up and go through a couple of shows before they're considered to be apart of the team.

And speaking of that…it would really kind of suck for Susan and Karl if they show up and they're instantly put on "double secret probation."  They won the contest.  You should be able to haze them and make them carry all the gear (Barry's hat boxes alone necessitate several trips…), but they should be full fledged members right from the start.  Anything less and it becomes rather tame.  Not being listed in the Team section on the official GHI site makes me think that things will start out kind of tame for the dynamic GHA duo.

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12:42 am
June 25, 2010


Learjet

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I dunno Revenant, for them to not acknowledge THE most impressive video "evidence" – the collar tugs, but to acknowledge other evidence, that comes off as mighty fishy to me.

They do seem to be trying awfully hard to interact with… something. But the EVP's continue to be unimpressive, at least in the xvid videos I'm watching. I can't even hear some of them.

I liked Michelle's skepticism on the EVP she heard. Skepticism is on the list after all, right Jason/Steve/Tango? Oh okay only when it's convenient or when reviewing someone else's evidence. Wink

The way they approach spirits in their own time frame I find a little disturbing in it's implications. Am I doomed to be stuck in the period I lived in for all eternity in some kind of Star Trek time loop?

It appears the ghosts of Fort Delaware only make an impressive appearance for J and G, and then mainly G. As always, take G out of the equation and things become a lot quieter.

OD'd on EMF

9:09 am
June 25, 2010


The Doctor

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Learjet said:

I dunno Revenant, for them to not acknowledge THE most impressive video "evidence" – the collar tugs, but to acknowledge other evidence, that comes off as mighty fishy to me.

The way they approach spirits in their own time frame I find a little disturbing in it's implications. Am I doomed to be stuck in the period I lived in for all eternity in some kind of Star Trek time loop?


If legitimate, the collar tugs would have been one of the most impressive evidences for the paranormal ever.  For there to have been no reference to it in this episode either the cadets and guide were told that there will be NO reference to it at all or more likely everything was cut out during editing. Every legitimate analysis points to fraud and for that reason it will be swept under the carpet.

Any cadets out there willing to be honest and give us the truth ?   Rosalyn ?

I agree regarding the time frames. It is simply not consistant with the idea of an "intelligent" haunting able to interact with you that these spirits would not sense the passing of time.  Residual spirts are the ones supposedly stuck in time, but they are not able to interact. Ghost Hunters appear to want to have it both ways.

9:35 am
June 25, 2010


Nosfer

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Learjet said:

It appears the ghosts of Fort Delaware only make an impressive appearance for J and G, and then mainly G. As always, take G out of the equation and things become a lot quieter.


I find this a little telling.  They've gone to some of their most renown locations and have found so very little.  Some of these places the GH team has gone to more than once and each time they got some substantial findings.  ESP I think was a dud the second time, but the other places were amazing. 

Let's consider Fort Delaware…the location for this training mission.  Wow, look at what was found the other times GH was there.  Is it because these guys are cadets and inexperienced?  I wouldn't think so since experience hasn't come into play in most of the other findings.  The findings have mostly been accidental.  Makes for a pretty level playing field as far as people gathering evidence.  Why, then, do some people get really lucky with their accidental findings?

At Fort Delaware the GH evidence gathering was nothing more than wandering around trying not to walk into things while blindly aiming FLIRs, tape recorders, thermometers, and EMF detectors.  They repeatedly got some amazing results.

Now we have seen the cadets in several places wandering around trying not to walk into things while blindly aiming FLIRs, tape recorders, thermometers, and EMF detectors and what have they caught?  Well, other than catching hell for not having enthusiasm or for not scooting back against a wall they haven't caught anything on the order of what the "pros" have.

All together, now:  "Hmmmmmmmm"

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11:13 am
June 25, 2010


The Doctor

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Nosfer said:

 Wow, look at what was found the other times GH was there.  Is it because these guys are cadets and inexperienced?  I wouldn't think so since experience hasn't come into play in most of the other findings. 


Exactly -  we have to consider that residual hauntings, like the women who walk into the lectures and cook or dust things, don't care about the experience or lack of it that the hunters have.

With all the hunting going on by the different groups, not a single one has reported a residual haunting that actually repeats.  One would think by this time the commercial outfits should have stands setup and be selling tickets like crazy to see the woman pop out of the wall yet again.

5:00 pm
June 25, 2010


Learjet

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The Doctor said:


Exactly -  we have to consider that residual hauntings, like the women who walk into the lectures and cook or dust things, don't care about the experience or lack of it that the hunters have.


Many groups think that these events still may need a "trigger" event to start the ball rolling. Kind of like pressing the play button on the recorder. You know the sort of thing, era cues (lol), tesla coils flinging giant sparks everywhere (bigger LOL), phase of the Moon etc etc for the ghosts to manifest. With all the crazy things they have tried, so far no success.

Small analogy, I have the genes for an autoimmune disorder that lies dormant until a trigger event (flu, virus or whatever) kicks it off. It could lay dormant all my life and never activate without that trigger.

With residuals, perhaps that play button trigger is not something within our control but rather an alignment of natural events, so far unknown.

If more than one event is required for the trigger, it becomes very rare and the play times will seemingly not be at regular intervals.

Okay I've written trigger more than Ghost Lab have said era cues haven't I? Foot in mouth

OD'd on EMF

7:32 pm
June 25, 2010


The Doctor

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Learjet said:


Many groups think that these events still may need a "trigger" event to start the ball rolling. Kind of like pressing the play button on the recorder.


Yep, know exactly what you mean 

That would mean the theory is that something in the normal can force things in the paranormal, correct ?

In the Birdcage Theatre in Tombstone reports were of appiriitions backstage by the hearse, where J&G saw the figure. The cost of webcams covering that area 24/7 would be trivial compared to a single TV episode while the possible commercial results would be enormous.

10:24 am
June 26, 2010


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If a trigger was necessary to set off the haunting (which makes absolute sense and something I've wondered a lot about) then it must either be something completely external to the group, or it must be a group member itself.

I don't see anything different in J&G wandering aimlessly through the building and the cadets wandering aimlessly through the building.  So it wouldn't seem to be something that the individuals are consciously (or even unconsciously) doing.  Great results very often from one set, little or no results usually from the other set.

If it is an external trigger that happens to get pulled, then luck plays a big factor since J&G seem to happen to be there a lot of the times this trigger acts (supposedly independent of them)

Is it something ABOUT the investigators that triggers it?  Do J&G have some aura about them that presses play?  Does Jason's or Grant's voice have the right pitch or tone that causes the right vibrations to initiate the haunting?

Of course, Fort Delaware also saw a haunting that most definitely was NOT residual so how does that fit into the cart of bananas?

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6:26 pm
June 26, 2010


Nosfer

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Revenant said:

The other thing was one of the "side-interviews" with Adam.  I was messing around with my dogs so I didn't hear it quite clearly.  He was discussing the role of the paranormal investigator and going on about how their role is to merge the one side (the paranormal) with the other (reality…well, his version of reality).  If someone could get that exact quote (SyFy won't have the show on their website until next week), that would be great.  Maybe I just heard that bit incorrectly.  But if not…anyone else find that a bit odd as well?


"…and it would be closure for the people that worked there, too, if he were to say something like you know 'Lee are you here?' 'Yes' you know, if we get an EVP that says that, I mean it helps the spiritual side and it helps the living side.  It's what we do as paranormal investigators is to, uh, you know, connect both sides."

Reading/seeing it in context it didn't really seem too odd to me, it's kind of been the whole premise of "helping" and "closure."

Again with the foregone conclusion that if the spirit gets next to the EMF detector…lights!

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7:20 pm
June 26, 2010


The Doctor

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Nosfer said:

If a trigger was necessary to set off the haunting (which makes absolute sense and something I've wondered a lot about) then it must either be something completely external to the group, or it must be a group member itself.


The only reason for it making absolute sense is that it's the only way to explain why residual sightings, which "repeat like a tape recorder", never seem to actually repeat.

In the days before cheap webcams, it could be explained that it happened all the time, we just weren't there.  Now that areas can be watched 24/7 , a new excuse for the lack of results was needed. 

AHA ! It's not being triggered

Well why not all of a sudden ?  The only reason for the tape recorder theory is that we have reports of  multiple occurances of some event. Even if the trigger theory had some validity, why did the triggering stop at the same time we developed the means to monitor continuously ?

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