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3:33 pm December 7, 2010
| skeptiCat
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On a corner in the middle of America, stands a simple home. Villisca,
Iowa reeks of small town Americana, and there stands the Villisca Ax
Murder House-where eight people were brutally bludgeoned by an ax
murderer almost a century ago. Ghost Adventures is all new Friday at
9pm E/P on Travel Channel.
More fun with the Ghost Box in this weeks preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..D_1sdQtWCw
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4:00 pm December 7, 2010
| Ghaleon
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I have a feeling that Zak and the crew is going to "talk" via EVP's to someone who claims to be the killer. This person will probably turn out to be pregnant. Sorry GA, I just can't let that one go.lol
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Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!
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4:33 pm December 7, 2010
| skeptiCat
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But who will grab Zac's ass?
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6:39 pm December 7, 2010
| Monkey Ninja
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Ha, oh no they bustin out the transistor radio again *facepalm*. I'm really thinking that Zak looks a lot like Frank Lampard on Sustanon, anyone else see the resemblance?.
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1:51 am December 8, 2010
| Ghaleon
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lol, I was just joking about Zak and the crew trying to find out the killer but I just saw the commercial for this episode and sure enough Zak says "we are going to solve this cold case". So is the new approach of GA to bring them into infamous murder houses and have him find out the killer by "paranormal" means? Just when you thought you had seen everything from these kinds of shows.
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Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!
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10:10 pm December 11, 2010
| Learjet
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Everything I hate about ghost hunting was brought out in this episode. The ghost box again. Zak says a quarter of a second is too fast to pick up words. What a load of catfish. Part words, audio pareidolia and high emotions. They were psyching themselves up the whole way through.
Did anyone else wish with all their might that the axe would fall on Zak's head?
All I know is when I'm a ghost, I'm paying Zak a visit!
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10:11 pm December 11, 2010
| Nosfer
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Learjet said:
All I know is when I'm a ghost, I'm paying Zak a visit!
Take a number 
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4:03 am December 12, 2010
| Learjet
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I'll take 666. 
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10:57 am December 12, 2010
| Nosfer
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Move to the front of the line!!
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1:19 pm December 12, 2010
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Learjet said:
Did anyone else wish with all their might that the axe would fall on Zak's head?
OMGosh! I was thinking the same thing! Though in my mind, he would bump his hand against it in the dark & of course blame it on the ghost-lol. Even if it only trimmed his fo-hawk down a little, it would have been so worth it.
As for the 1/4 second bit, I totally agree. In fact, I live in an area were many stations overlap so we get NPR on 3-4 different channels very close to each other, which would make hearing longer words even easier. I would love to see them try to get result up north were I grew up, in north west lower pennisula of Michigan, as we didn't have overlapping radio stations due to geography due to Lake Michigan. I bet they wouldn't be able to do a ghost box session up there-lol.
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10:03 am December 13, 2010
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Haven't seen this episode, but I doubt they will solve it, no one has so far, and whoever the killer or killers were, they are long dead.It's interesting that in the 1900s there were a series of axe murders,and in fact I believe one of the suspects in the case was implicated in another such an axe murder.In the 1900s in Glidden,Texas, near Columbus, a whole family was butchered by an axe, the murderer never caught.
And back from 2000 to 2010 some time, Court TV,now Tru Tv carried the trial of a woman in the Midwest who killed her husband with an axe.In this day and age,with all the guns available,one wonders why she chose such a weapon,only reason I can think would be due to extreme hatred for her husband.
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12:46 pm December 13, 2010
| Revenant
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HollyDolly said:
It's interesting that in the 1900s there were a series of axe murders,and in fact I believe one of the suspects in the case was implicated in another such an axe murder.In the 1900s in Glidden,Texas, near Columbus, a whole family was butchered by an axe, the murderer never caught.
Well…between 1900-2000 I think world-wide, the US axe murder rate would probably be the same and possibly be a bit less than the rest of the world. Yes…we do love to murder each other here, but…we have infinitely more guns and use them much more often than other countries. It would be logical to surmise that our axe-murder rate is lower due to this fact.
As for not catching an axe-murderer in the early 1900's…I would think this would be commonplace. No finger-printing, no DNA, and basically little technology if any was developed by that time. So…unless you saw someone swing that axe or heard the screams…you probably weren't solving the case. Heck…even if you had a suspect…buying your way out of it was a big thing back then. I have to think that most of these "mysteries" are due to poor crime solving techniques and a relatively dishonest justice system.
Also…back to GA…does anyone know the specific program that GA uses to evaluate their EVP's?
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9:32 pm December 13, 2010
| Learjet
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Revenant said:
Also…back to GA…does anyone know the specific program that GA uses to evaluate their EVP's?
No, but whatever it is it doesn't work. 
No one has talked about the door yet. After the shadow play of last episode, it looks like GA has discovered the multiple uses of fishing line. Either that or it was a ghost. That door slams shut so hard it bounces back a little.
This is no "stupid door trick" of GH style that moves on it's own due to crooked construction. The acceleration of movement is just too quick.
Thoughts?
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9:36 pm December 13, 2010
| Nosfer
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Post edited 9:40 pm – December 13, 2010 by Nosfer
Revenant said:
Also…back to GA…does anyone know the specific program that GA uses to evaluate their EVP's?
http://img.epinions.com/images…..zed200.jpg
Pull the string and it says: "Hate him, hate him, already"
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1:08 am December 14, 2010
| Revenant
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Learjet said:
No one has talked about the door yet. After the shadow play of last episode, it looks like GA has discovered the multiple uses of fishing line. Either that or it was a ghost. That door slams shut so hard it bounces back a little.
This is no "stupid door trick" of GH style that moves on it's own due to crooked construction. The acceleration of movement is just too quick.
Thoughts?
Well…you have the door and you have the "skeptic EVP challenge." I haven't reviewed any film. I really don't want to… . But maybe we can do this really quick like…
The Door –
Learjet, you're absolutely right about the acceleration rate. This isn't your daddy's GH type of door swing. This is the Vegas "You're money and you don't even know it" chest-pumping kind of GA door slam. Taking the wires off the brick that launched a television series would work nicely here. To create that sort of force, the string would not only need to be on the outside edge of the door…but probably at a couple of points. I mean…if it was just one point, the starting movement might be "jerky." A couple of points along the door would provide a smoother swing.
I highly doubt that any strings will be visible. I mean, if they were…why show the clip? I suppose one can look for editing effects. Beyond that…the string just might be invisible at that distance, shot with an IR light and filmed with a night vision camera. If anyone thinks that they see something odd…give a shout. But…as with ambiguous evidence…I'm not sure what it proves or disproves.
The Skeptic EVP Challenge –
Sleight of hand is fun. Picture myself on stage (very tall, devilishly handsome, and not covered in bling like Chris Angel). I call for a volunteer and Nosfer steps on stage. I ask Nosfer for a $20 and foolishly…he gives me one. I show him the bill. I show the audience the bill. The twenty never leaves my hand and is always in plain view of the audience. I then have Nosfer follow me stage-right. My assistant, Kate Beckinsale (Hey! This is MY example…my assistant can be anyone that I want…), appears on stage with a black box with a tiny red curtain. I hand the $20 to Kate, she places it in the box, she pulls the tiny red curtain and it magically turns into a giant, and fake, $100 bill. Amazing…applause, applause, applause…
Let's look at what Zak did. He called the skeptic into the room. Showed him the recorder and showed him how there were no files in the folders (notice that Ray only looked and didn't check himself). So…they go around and talk to an empty house for a while. Eventually, they exit stage-right and what does Zak do? He hands it to his "EVP expert" who already has his EVP program booted up and ready to go. Um ….does the "skeptic" get to check THAT for pre-recorded files? Did he watch the expert to make sure that he didn't lay down any tracks over their original recording? Did the "skeptic" have that sort of expertise?
Zak makes a huge deal of that fact that the recorder never leaves his hand. Oh…but it doesn't have to when you hand it to the "EVP expert" and don't even bother to check the files within that EVP program or see what it's capable of doing. And what do we get? Earth-shattering EVP's. Color me shocked…
Like I said…sleight of hand is fun. And did anyone notice that even in my example…Nosfer never got his $20 bill back? Even in tame examples…that sort of sleight of hand works beautifully…just like it did on the show…
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10:33 am December 14, 2010
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Revenant said:
Like I said…sleight of hand is fun. And did anyone notice that even in my example…Nosfer never got his $20 bill back? Even in tame examples…that sort of sleight of hand works beautifully…just like it did on the show…
Oh that's okay, I'm just surprised that your assistant didn't notice the orb with Groucho Marx glasses where Andrew Jackson should have been on that "$20" I gave her 
Unfortunately for this show they've been caught in out and out deceit so showing something on television to prove something, well, doesn't prove anything. Haven't watched this one either, find it really hard to get into it (not easy spending a quarter of an hour or more watching Zak preen himself) Did this Ray person have any credentials to establish who he really was?
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12:07 pm December 14, 2010
| Revenant
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Nosfer said:
Unfortunately for this show they've been caught in out and out deceit so showing something on television to prove something, well, doesn't prove anything. Haven't watched this one either, find it really hard to get into it (not easy spending a quarter of an hour or more watching Zak preen himself) Did this Ray person have any credentials to establish who he really was?
Ray…from what I remember, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, was a police officer for quite a long time (over 30 years I believe). He was featured on the show because he had written a book about this specific case. Ray seemed intelligent and rational…a rarity on GA.
Ray never made the claim that HE was a skeptic in the true sense. He simply did not believe in ghosts and did not believe anything was going on in the house. Again…that's not skepticism. It was Zak that went on and on about this "skeptic." For quite a while in the show, he kept referring to Ray as "the skeptic" instead of simply 'Ray." Maybe he just forgot his name. But Zak was definitely out to prove something to the audience at Ray's expense. As if…dare I say…that Zak knew what was coming. Something that he would need someone credible to verify. How fortunate that they got tremendous EVP's isn't it? Kind of makes you go "hmmm…" doesn't it?
So my intention was not to "call out" Ray. He seemed decent enough. Yet…and this is a terrible generality, but given his age, I do somewhat question his expertise with electronics and computer software. For example, if I was in Ray's place…I wouldn't need Zak to "show me" his recorder doesn't have any pre-recorded files on it. I'll take the recorder myself and look myself. And once we're with that "EVP expert"…I'm politely asking him to move over so I could check out the program myself and look at the files that it contains (another thing that Ray didn't do). Maybe Ray is tech-savvy and I'm just out of line saying that he isn't. He just didn't seem so to me…which isn't a slight to his character, just a skill-set that he may not possess.
Would have Zak had been so generous with his gear and such with a tech-savvy so-called skeptic? I seriously have my doubts…
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12:18 pm December 14, 2010
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Zak is apparently another of large number of folks who simply does not know what being skeptical means. Guess I'll have to try to catch this when it re-airs. Would love to get on there as a "guest investigator" or even as a skeptic lol
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1:56 pm December 14, 2010
| skeptiCat
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Nosfer said:
Zak is apparently another of large number of folks who simply does not know what being skeptical means. Guess I'll have to try to catch this when it re-airs. Would love to get on there as a "guest investigator" or even as a skeptic lol
But would you do it wearing a bath towel? ;)
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