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10:33 am
June 11, 2011
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Milli
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First off, Loretta Lynn and her family and employees are adorable. You can feel the southern hospitality as you watch it, and I think it's cool. I've read lots of stuff and seen various shows that talk about her home. It's pretty well known, and Loretta Lynn doesn't deny it.
Zach's interpretations of the Ovilus II device always make me LOL. This time, the words "Must" "Kill" "Sixty" showed up on the screen. Nick mentions that there are 60 employees that work at the old mill located on Loretta Lynn's property. How does he know this? So Zach immediately interprets the words as a threat, and the ghost wants to kill 60 employees on the plantation. Hmm. My first thought was that, if indeed a ghost was manipulating these words, maybe it would pertain to the Civil War, or the small skirmish that was on the property during the war.
Also, this device seems less impressive now that I've seen a similiar, free app for the iPhone. My friend has it, and it has a "radar" with red and green blips that indicate if a ghost is near you. And occasionally, words pop up that the ghost is trying to communicate to you. Sadly, he believes what the app tells him. Yes, an iPhone app.
One laugh during this episode: Zach is using the super sensitive earphones/directional microphone and says "I can point this over there, and hear a mosquito burp." Ha. Sometimes he pulls out some random gems.
The EVP "I need to go down the stairs" took a few listens for me to actually understand what it was saying. It sounded like a lot of garble at first.
So Zach sets up the electromagnetic device to somehow make the Civil War music only audible on the electromagnetic side.. so only ghosts can hear it.. like a dog whistle.. or something. I don't get this. Why would you have to play music in another spectrum? Obviously, when you talk to a ghost, they can hear you without the help of speaking through another spectrum. I don't quite understand. He starts talking about "separate worlds" and "are we now in your world?" Well, no, the whole point is that spirits are among us and at times are able to intelligently interact with people. Soo..? I know my point isn't coming across as clearly as I'd like, but hopefully you get my drift.
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and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
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11:47 am
June 11, 2011
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Post edited 11:49 am – June 11, 2011 by ginger
They really do need to get someone in there who can interpret things better than Zak. He's just awful. But it does make things funnier. I had the same thought as you, Milli, re the 'sixty' evp. As for 'manifest', I didn't take it to mean the ghost would manifest itself out in the graveyard. I figured he wanted the guys to go dig up a document. Manifests are documents that can show ownership (although not usually for houses)… but really, all in all, it wasn't a very coherent message.
Worst of all, to my mind (and things like this happen all the time) is the song they played for the ghosts, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, was a song used by the North. So there's a good chance the ghosts (of Confederate soldiers) would have been pissed off. Zak was doing one of his famous ghost-tauntings without even knowing it!
I had to laugh when they were using the evp-o-meter in the last quarter of the show – was it Aaron?: "You can't touch this" – they found the ghost of M.C. Hammer? Wow!
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5:16 pm
June 11, 2011
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Milli said:
"Zach's interpretations of the Ovilus II device always make me LOL. This time, the words "Must" "Kill" "Sixty" showed up on the screen. Nick mentions that there are 60 employees that work at the old mill located on Loretta Lynn's property. How does he know this? So Zach immediately interprets the words as a threat, and the ghost wants to kill 60 employees on the plantation. Hmm. My first thought was that, if indeed a ghost was manipulating these words, maybe it would pertain to the Civil War, or the small skirmish that was on the property during the war."
"Also, this device seems less impressive now that I've seen a similiar, free app for the iPhone. My friend has it, and it has a "radar" with red and green blips that indicate if a ghost is near you. And occasionally, words pop up that the ghost is trying to communicate to you. Sadly, he believes what the app tells him. Yes, an iPhone app."
I totally agree with you about the kill 60. ! I didn't think of the mill, I thought of the battle. Leave it to them to jump to a crazy conclusion!
LOL! I have this same app on my iPhone and it makes me giggle every time! My place is far from haunted and it still manages to come up with stuff. On one of the radar apps, a reviewer got freaked about because it randomly said "meatloaf" and she happened have had meatloaf for dinner the other night. She was so amazed at the accuracy. I bet she is a huge GA fan! 
I was bothered by the manifest as well. I was thinking along the lines of "document", but hey, that's why I don't have a reality ghost show because I am too logical! 
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5:22 pm
June 11, 2011
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Milli
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ginger said:
Worst of all, to my mind (and things like this happen all the time) is the song they played for the ghosts, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, was a song used by the North. So there's a good chance the ghosts (of Confederate soldiers) would have been pissed off. Zak was doing one of his famous ghost-tauntings without even knowing it!
Interesting! I did not know that. I was a history major, but American history is not my area of focus. Good to have some insight here
That's too funny!
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and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
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1:19 pm
June 13, 2011
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Post edited 1:57 pm – June 13, 2011 by Nosfer
I recall seeing Loretta Lynn's home on tv before, but GA wasn't invovled there.
And yes, I think you're right the ghost was probably talking about some battle that happend in the area, not killing the hired help. Funny about the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
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11:04 am
June 14, 2011
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Post edited 11:07 am – June 14, 2011 by Learjet
Milli said:
So Zach sets up the electromagnetic device to somehow make the Civil War music only audible on the electromagnetic side.. so only ghosts can hear it.. like a dog whistle.. or something. I don't get this. Why would you have to play music in another spectrum? Obviously, when you talk to a ghost, they can hear you without the help of speaking through another spectrum. I don't quite understand. He starts talking about "separate worlds" and "are we now in your world?" Well, no, the whole point is that spirits are among us and at times are able to intelligently interact with people. Soo..? I know my point isn't coming across as clearly as I'd like, but hopefully you get my drift.
Some paranormal researchers (like David Rountree) believe that true EVP's, as in Electronic Voice Phenomena are in the EMF spectrum and that audio ghost voices, like the type that are recorded on digital audio recorders are not really EVP in the true sense of the acronym but AVP or Audio Voice Phenomena. Er…. I think I got that right. Maybe David would like to chime in and set me straight here. So you have two types of um… ghost voice phenomena or GVP. 
By using an induction transmitter, Zak is thinking he can communicate via the EMF type of EVP. He could have just connected a microphone to the induction transmitter and spoke as that would do the same thing. You can also get buy or build induction receivers to listen to any response in the EMF spectrum. Or just half unplug a guitar amplifier. Does the same thing and makes an annoying hum from powerline noise. It's kind of a very primitive form of direct conversion radio. And a dumping ground for AC power noise.
As to WHY or HOW ghosts (should they actually exist) create EVP's in the EMF spectrum, well…. It's just because they do so there. Really, I have no idea.
As to the waking from sleep visions of ghosts, sounds a lot like hypnopompic hallucinations to me. An art I am quite familiar with.
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8:38 pm
June 14, 2011
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Post edited 8:41 pm – June 14, 2011 by ginger
Post edited 8:44 pm – June 14, 2011 by ginger
As to the waking from sleep visions of ghosts, sounds a lot like hypnopompic hallucinations to me. An art I am quite familiar with. (sorry, I don't know how to do quotes.)
I mean, really, even I'm familiar with that concept, so it's pretty tired! :) But this sort of brings me around to another aspect of this show that really jumped out to me in this episode: How they really manipulate things (for lack of a more defined thought).
Zak kept talking about Ms. Lynne's son Jack, who had died, and who had woken up one night to see the ghost of a Confederate solider at the foot of his bed…. As if the one thing had led to the other! It's so leading! If you're not really paying attention (and guillible), you'll just swallow that bit — apparently having completely ignored the fact that Jack Lynne had drowned chasing an errant (sorry – I forgot what)… cow (?).
I was just struck by it in this episode; it seemed to occur more often during this particular episode than I'd noticed before. But it really was what they call 'leading' in a legal case, I think.
Edited to add: That I've noticed plenty of illogical, irrational things in other episodes; I don't want to imply that this is the first and/or only thing that seems strange to me.
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12:00 am
June 15, 2011
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You're right on the manipulation and leading. With the EVP's also. They must have very special ears to hear what they do. Doesn't even sound like words to me.
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9:31 am
June 15, 2011
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Milli
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Learjet said:
Milli said:
So Zach sets up the electromagnetic device to somehow make the Civil War music only audible on the electromagnetic side.. so only ghosts can hear it.. like a dog whistle.. or something. I don't get this. Why would you have to play music in another spectrum? Obviously, when you talk to a ghost, they can hear you without the help of speaking through another spectrum. I don't quite understand. He starts talking about "separate worlds" and "are we now in your world?" Well, no, the whole point is that spirits are among us and at times are able to intelligently interact with people. Soo..? I know my point isn't coming across as clearly as I'd like, but hopefully you get my drift.
Some paranormal researchers (like David Rountree) believe that true EVP's, as in Electronic Voice Phenomena are in the EMF spectrum and that audio ghost voices, like the type that are recorded on digital audio recorders are not really EVP in the true sense of the acronym but AVP or Audio Voice Phenomena. Er…. I think I got that right. Maybe David would like to chime in and set me straight here. So you have two types of um… ghost voice phenomena or GVP.
By using an induction transmitter, Zak is thinking he can communicate via the EMF type of EVP. He could have just connected a microphone to the induction transmitter and spoke as that would do the same thing. You can also get buy or build induction receivers to listen to any response in the EMF spectrum. Or just half unplug a guitar amplifier. Does the same thing and makes an annoying hum from powerline noise. It's kind of a very primitive form of direct conversion radio. And a dumping ground for AC power noise.
As to WHY or HOW ghosts (should they actually exist) create EVP's in the EMF spectrum, well…. It's just because they do so there. Really, I have no idea.
As to the waking from sleep visions of ghosts, sounds a lot like hypnopompic hallucinations to me. An art I am quite familiar with.
Interesting. Thank you for the bit of explanation. I just didn't quite understand why/how he was doing what he was doing, much like a lot of the crap he does in this show :P
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9:38 am
June 15, 2011
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Post edited 10:17 am – June 15, 2011 by CrowTRobot
Post edited 10:19 am – June 15, 2011 by CrowTRobot
Post edited 10:30 am – June 15, 2011 by CrowTRobot
My grandparents lived in Huricane Mills (about 10-15 miles from LL) back in the 70s. I had heard of the lady in white upstairs but believe I saw it on some tv show rather than it being local gossip. At that time LL had not opened her home to tours so the closest we ever got was just driving past her home – no, we never saw her.
I think I'm going to have to take a trip up there one weekend and check this whole 'ghost' thing out.
EDIT: ginger, I also thought that the word 'manifest' was referring to some document - which makes a lot more sense (than a ghost saying he's going to appear – please) and if found, could have been quite interesting.
SIDE NOTE: While watching this episode, I wondered if Zak really gets it. Loretta Lynn is not just some singer who had a movie made about her life. She is an icon. I know this term gets tossed around so often it's almost meaningless, but she is a true living legend. I just don't know if Zak really appreciated the moment.
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12:46 pm
June 15, 2011
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Revenant
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Post edited 12:47 pm – June 15, 2011 by Revenant
CrowTRobot said:
SIDE NOTE: While watching this episode, I wondered if Zak really gets it. Loretta Lynn is not just some singer who had a movie made about her life. She is an icon. I know this term gets tossed around so often it's almost meaningless, but she is a true living legend. I just don't know if Zak really appreciated the moment.
Hmmm…I don't know. I just watched the show and it seemed that Zak and the bunch were respectful (for them). You wondered if Zak really gets it. Well, no. But it has nothing to do with Loretta Lynn. Picture Zak at the Louvre Museum in Paris. He may be able to appreciate the art ("Oooo…green is pretty.") but will he get it? i don't think so. "Wow, the Mona Lisa is small." "Wow, there's a bunch of stuff in here." "How many floors are there?" "(after 20 minutes) I'm done, let's go." I think you might be expecting a little much from a guy who runs around in the dark and threatens ghosts…
Ok…some observations:
"Dude, run!" – Loretta Lynn's granddaughter. Did anyone else roll their eyes when Zak was trying to be tough and cool and whatever because he thought that she was attractive? The only thing going through my mind: "Dude…do you know where you are right now? One wrong move or one wrong word to that girl and they will literally shoot all three of you, dump your bodies, and you'll never be heard from again." So…you might want to cool it on the macho "Yeah…I opened the door to the paranormal…and now it can't be shut." Really? That's your line? Might want to work on that game a bit…
"Lasher" – Speaking of the granddaughter, when she told of a ghost that visited both her and her mother in the same way, I couldn't help but to think of "Lives of the Mayfair Witches" by Anne Rice. In the series, there is a supernatural being named Lasher who visits each of the women in the family line. Lasher wasn't a ghost…but I still thought of it. Maybe it was just the location…a plantation combined with a generational supernatural event.
"Not A Drop To Drink" – Excited about going to a mill…Zak spits out the tried and true "Water…is said to be a very big conductor of paranormal energy." Obviously Zak has been watching re-runs of "Ghost Lab ( )." Back when GL first hit the air waves (well…or cables…), I tried to track down that theory. Just a bunch of "water can conduct an electric current…and ghosts are EMF and EMF has "electro" in it…so, you know…it makes sense." Fantastic. From that scientific gem you get more into the "water is our life-force." Yes, hard to argue with that. My favorite one (which I can't find the link) went on about how people drown in water and the water stores their energy so…you know, it's haunted and spooky. The moral of the story? Kids…just stay in school.
And really, you guys covered the rest. I didn't find anything intriguing about the investigation. The Ovilus……
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3:41 pm
June 15, 2011
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Milli
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"Dude, run!" – Loretta Lynn's granddaughter. Did anyone else roll their eyes when Zak was trying to be tough and cool and whatever because he thought that she was attractive? The only thing going through my mind: "Dude…do you know where you are right now? One wrong move or one wrong word to that girl and they will literally shoot all three of you, dump your bodies, and you'll never be heard from again." So…you might want to cool it on the macho "Yeah…I opened the door to the paranormal…and now it can't be shut." Really? That's your line? Might want to work on that game a bit…
Bah, Zak's attempts to be flirtacious always give me the willies. This is LORETTA LYNN'S GRANDDAUGHTER. Like you said, she could probably own all your asses. And show some respect — sheesh!
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and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
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7:14 pm
June 17, 2011
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Post edited 7:24 pm – June 17, 2011 by ginger
Post edited 7:35 pm – June 17, 2011 by ginger
EDIT: ginger, I also thought that the word 'manifest' was referring to some document - which makes a lot more sense (than a ghost saying he's going to appear – please) and if found, could have been quite interesting.
So this is something that many of us thought about, but not our interprid investigators! What does that say??!!
Re Zak being respectful enough of Loretta Lynn: golly, I don't know but he sure sounded like Uncle Remus at the beginning of the show, describing how edenic and wonderful the propety was. Honestly, Zak, really?
Gee whiz, I'm sorry: I really don't know how to do these quotes!
ETA: OMG, rewatching and just re-heard: "No one is allowed upstairs! The public is not allowed upstairs at all!"
For god's sake, Zak, probably because the family lives up there. That's SO common in houses open for tours! Inhabited areas are off-limits.
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8:58 pm
June 28, 2011
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Milli said:
"Dude, run!" – Loretta Lynn's granddaughter. Did anyone else roll their eyes when Zak was trying to be tough and cool and whatever because he thought that she was attractive? The only thing going through my mind: "Dude…do you know where you are right now? One wrong move or one wrong word to that girl and they will literally shoot all three of you, dump your bodies, and you'll never be heard from again." So…you might want to cool it on the macho "Yeah…I opened the door to the paranormal…and now it can't be shut." Really? That's your line? Might want to work on that game a bit…
Bah, Zak's attempts to be flirtacious always give me the willies. This is LORETTA LYNN'S GRANDDAUGHTER. Like you said, she could probably own all your asses. And show some respect — sheesh!
I have known Megan for several years and she told those very stories, years before this show existed. It did happen. Her story did not change at all from when she told it in the past. Some people do stay true to themselves…tv or not…
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8:20 pm
July 4, 2011
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Revenant said:
"Not A Drop To Drink" – Excited about going to a mill…Zak spits out the tried and true "Water…is said to be a very big conductor of paranormal energy." Obviously Zak has been watching re-runs of "Ghost Lab ()." Back when GL first hit the air waves (well…or cables…), I tried to track down that theory. Just a bunch of "water can conduct an electric current…and ghosts are EMF and EMF has "electro" in it…so, you know…it makes sense." Fantastic. From that scientific gem you get more into the "water is our life-force." Yes, hard to argue with that. My favorite one (which I can't find the link) went on about how people drown in water and the water stores their energy so…you know, it's haunted and spooky. The moral of the story? Kids…just stay in school.
Hey Revenant, where you finding this google book "Monsters: an investigator's guide to magical beings" by John Michael Greer the source of water storing energy after drowings? If so, it's on page 69 just in case my link doesn't work: http://books.google.com/books?…..mp;f=false
I'm not sure if it's permanent link, but you should be able to find it via Google books.
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6:37 pm
July 5, 2011
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Revenant
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@Buffy – No, that wasn't it yet…a very interesting link though. You know, I've studied and dealt with water for years and have never noticed how water "absorbs and holds on to etheric patterns extremely well" nor the fact that "the energies of water have complex and unsettling effects on the dead." I just looked at a chemical properties list for water just now and didn't see anything close to that. I wonder what scientific paper that he got that from…
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4:28 pm
July 13, 2011
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My chemist of a brother might also enjoy these new found properties of water too! I guess no one should ever go to the Great Lakes or the Ocean or any body of water for fear of being "accidentally" killed by the ghosts.
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9:13 pm
September 3, 2011
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Can anyone please explain how this device that translates ghost-talk actually works?
Are we supposed to assume the ghosts understand the device and therefore can manipulate it? If so, how the hell did they receive that training?
Why is it broken sentences? The inventor only programmed it for creepy words? Words like 'and' and 'or' are too difficult to understand? Ghosts just talk in broken sentences?
Or does it supposedly translate levels of energy given off by a ghost and turns it into words? If so, how the hell did its creator figure out which levels of energy were which words? By researching EVPs and EMF readings at simultaneous times or something? Why not just put a display on an EVP device, then?
Seriously?
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9:30 pm
September 3, 2011
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Uh, the Ovilus is billed as an "entertainment" device. Enough said.
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