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12:14 pm August 1, 2008
| DontBelieveButEntert
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I never got the whole battery draining-thing. I know it's been asked by others, by why do ghosts seem to love DC current? And why do they seem to prefer the batteries in tiny little handheld cam and digital audo recorders over large, production quality cameras? Do some of the different devices share the same batteries at different times (i.e. do they have a single bad battery floating around)?
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12:57 pm August 1, 2008
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I think you hit the nail on the head when you said DC. Direct Current is funneling electricity in one direction, where AC is a bit wacky. For one thing, with AC you not only have Voltage and Amperage to think about, but also Frequency.
Arbitrarily, AC cycles at 60hz throughout the US but just because we're consistent doesn't make it natural. One great example I saw was on Mythbusters, Jamie & Adam were trying to use electricity + acid to eat through the bars on a jail cell. Adam, not thinking the science through as usual, was using AC and couldn't seem to get anywhere. Jamie used a battery and it ate right through the bars no problem (after about a month or something).
The difference was that the direct current, combined with the acid, moved the molecules of metal from the bar always in the same direction, while the AC power kept taking molecules of metal off the bar, and then reversing direction to put them right back on the bar relatively near where they came off — misshaping the bar slightly, but not making it any thinner.
Essentially, DC is the natural order of things. Tons of electronic devices have converters that allow them to plug into an electrical outlet, but then convert the current to DC so the device can function. Many devices also run on AC by design, but ultimately the only reason AC became mainstream is because it needs half as many wires for infrastructure and therefore the enormously expensive task of running powerlines to absolutely everywhere is literally 50% off.
Historically, this is Nicola Tesla's final revenge on Thomas Edison — not that it did Tesla any good. Ultimately, Tesla's inventions were largely impractical (even when theoretically genius) and Edison always got better contracts and more public acclaim, but when it came to pushing DC power the price difference was just too much for Edison to overcome and Tesla's (and Westinghouse's) long-touted Alternating Current won out as the design electric companies would follow.
Edison's primary (and still excellent) selling point was how dangerous AC was. Obviously, we all know that a downed power line will kill you dead in a heartbeat (or quite literally in between heartbeats) but also fear is a powerful motivator in general, even when less justified. Edison went so far as to publicly electrocute an elephant (killing it) in order to scare people away from AC electricity. You can watch the sad spectacle here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkBU3aYsf0Q
Anyway, sorry for the tangent but it's interesting history. The relevant point here is that Direct Current is simple, natural, safe, and easier to utilize than AC. Most people don't realize that light bulbs (for instance) turn themselves on and off 120 times a second (in the US), visible only in slow-motion video. Every time the current reverses, the electrons have to flow the other way. Due to the complexities of AC power, I think it's plausible that if something existed in nature which could draw upon electrical energy, it would probably would greatly prefer some form of DC power and probably wouldn't know what to do with AC.
That being said, I still think the most likely explanation is either they're not properly charging their equipment or else the batteries should be replaced. Notice how when something happens with a crew member (camera or audio guy) they never hesitate to tell us about it, but I've never once heard about one of their camera guy's batteries dying — probably because they are professionals that remember to properly charge their equipment.
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9:15 pm August 1, 2008
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This is exactly why I asked how quickly these batteries are supposedly draining. If one does some simple calculations with the specifications published by Energizer ….
A typical AA alkaline cell has a nominal voltage of 1.5-volts, 30-milliohms of internal resistance, and a 2800-milliamp-hour capacity. One can thus calculate the maximum current load to be 50-amps. At that load, the full capacity of the cell would drain in about 3.5-minutes. Any faster and one would risk overloading the cell, causing it to heat up and possibly explode.
Now I have not heard of any paranormal investigator complaining about their batteries getting hot or exploding. This does not mean it isn't happening, but for the sake of argument we'll assume it isn't. That said, if their batteries really are draining on them, one would have to assume they're doing so within the maximum current limits.
I'm inclined to agree that the most likely explanation is probably the same as that which causes batteries to go dead on film sets. Every camera assistant has at least one horror story about the shoot screeching to a halt because they forgot to plug in the batteries the night before.
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10:29 am August 4, 2008
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Logisti,
not to take the tangent even further, but we use AC for even more reasons. First, generators create AC current inherently, why convert it to DC? (It's actually 3-phase AC power, hence the four wires). Second, it's much easier to boost the voltage of AC current than DC current; this is the key to minimizing loss during power transmission.
Anyway, spirits have been reported far longer than DC batteries. I don't know that something in nature would evolve that quickly. Short of lighning, a very few odd fish, and activity on the cellular level, there isn't a whiole lot of electricity in the natural world. I guess that if something could draw electrical energy out of a living organism (and not kill it), drawing DC current is a natural extension of this, although this is sounding like quite a stretch as I'm typing this.
But this brings me to my main gripe. How is the electricity being "drawn"? There's no magical way to do this. Either: a) a spirit somehow passively taps into the existing circuity of the electronic device (and doesn't mess up the very specific voltages that the circuit boards maintain/require); or b) create a circuit themselves, by some physical means (there must be a conductor), and provide enough resistance not to short out the battery (as daSkeptik explained). Seems kind of hokey. In either case, the electrons must flow through some physical medium in order to have a current.
I just figured that of this was possible, why not just tap into the nearest outlet? In any case, thanks, guys, for the well thought out (and lengthy!) responses.
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2:19 pm August 4, 2008
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DontBelieveButEntert said:
But this brings me to my main gripe. How is the electricity being "drawn"? There's no magical way to do this. Either: a) a spirit somehow passively taps into the existing circuity of the electronic device (and doesn't mess up the very specific voltages that the circuit boards maintain/require); or b) create a circuit themselves, by some physical means (there must be a conductor), and provide enough resistance not to short out the battery (as daSkeptik explained). Seems kind of hokey. In either case, the electrons must flow through some physical medium in order to have a current.
This is a very good point, and along the same lines as where I was going. Electricity is basically just a bunch of free electrons being pushed away from their negatively-charged brethren and drawn toward a more positively-charged mass. These flowing electrons nearly always produce some sort of measurable effect while on their journey — we humans hope that effect is meaningful, like lighting a lamp or spinning a motor.
If ghosts really are draining batteries, it would suggest ghosts (at least some of them) are positively charged with respect to the anodes of these batteries. Do they not also interact with other sources of free electrons? A CRT-based television, for instance, is an empty space containing a rapidly-modulated electron stream. Do ghosts draw power from these?
The effect isn't necessarily limited to DC. Power transfer could still occur in an AC system if the reactance characteristics were right. Has anybody witnessed this happening? As you suggested, what about wall outlets? Even better, what about the miles and miles of uninsulated high-voltage lines crisscrossing our little planet? Many of these travel along beside road and highways where I'm certain many people have died suddenly and traumatically over the years.
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8:38 pm August 13, 2008
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Of course, this is one of the standard philosophical objections to ghostly phenomena in general. If ghosts are supposed to be completely non-physical– "A person without a body"– then how can they have any effect on the physical world at all? How can they drain batteries, cause cold spots, make sounds, move chairs, or interfere with your digital recorder? It takes energy to do all of these things, and energy is part of the physical world.
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11:44 am August 14, 2008
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For some reason if I am in direct contact with my cell phone or wear a watch for any length of time the battery drains very quickly. My husband jokes that I am magnetic and to stay away from his stuff. Has anyone else heard of this??
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11:33 am August 15, 2008
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Putting two easy jokes aside (#1 – are you talking on it? and #2 – does your husband joke about cold affecting batteries?) I have no idea. I've given up figuring out cell phone batteries. My LG phone, assuming I'm not using it, lasts longer if the cell phone is left ON. The battery lasts 48 hours or so less if the phone's off. Go figure.
Depending on what you mean by "direct contact", I guess it's possible that you are shielding the cell from from a signal (especially if reception is spotty where you are); a cell phone will quickly drain a battery if it's constantly looking for a signal – ask anyone who's accidentally left their cell phone on during an international flight.
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12:23 pm August 15, 2008
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Thanks for the reply. . .and no, I almost never talk on it, and I live in a large metro area with full signal all of the time. (Like the cold joke, though). The battery drains if I hold the phone in my hand for a little while, or keep it in my pocket.
I've mentioned this problem to people, and they say they've heard of someone like this, but that's all I hear. I'm not claiming to be "special" or superhuman, just think that this is weird and wonder if there's a name for it.
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