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4:58 am August 30, 2009
| Azumdula
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If you had convinced the GH team by telephone that your property is haunted, and they decided to come and 'investigate', what would you set up, where, why, and how, in order to fool them into saying your place IS indeed haunted?
I am sure this has happened before, apart from the obvious case where the stuff the guy set up was so badly done even MH could have figured it out.
Your thoughts, earthlings?
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7:02 am August 30, 2009
| Sheetie Attitude
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Azumdula said:
If you had convinced the GH team by telephone that your property is haunted, and they decided to come and 'investigate', what would you set up, where, why, and how, in order to fool them into saying your place IS indeed haunted?
I am sure this has happened before, apart from the obvious case where the stuff the guy set up was so badly done even MH could have figured it out.
Your thoughts, earthlings?
For starters, I doubt that any mere mortal can get to the GH team by telephone. Next, they don't seem to need anything 'set up' to fool them.
The one constant in their verbal claims is that when a child is frightened, they consider those cases first. Since I don't have any of that kind of 'bait', I'd be SOL getting them to come to my place.
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7:36 am August 30, 2009
| Azumdula
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So how DOES one attract the GH?
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7:51 am August 30, 2009
| alicat
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Frankly, I don't even understand why you would be bothered to even try. Why would you be interested? If, as you said, you convinced them to come, you'd pretty much have had to figured that out ahead of time so why waste your time making things up? I have better things to do and, as Sheetie Attitude has said, I rather doubt you would get Pilgrim to have GH investigate anything that doesn't have a bit of "reputation" even if it has a very slim reputation at best. Commercial sites have a reason – they want the reputation and usually get a monetary reward so it's a win-win. As far as home investigations, they are probably flooded with "please investigate my home" requests. Other than having stars in your eyes and 15 minutes of fame because you know you made things up, wanting people rummaging through your home and all that entails would not be on my list of "must haves". Sorry, it's just not that important in my life. Plus, I don't think I'd want the contents and the layout of access to my home on a TV program even if it is on cable. You're just inviting trouble.
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8:17 am August 30, 2009
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Azumdula, since you're new here and "posting out of the blue" we don't really have any frame of reference in which to take the nature of your posts. Could you spell out your intents plainly, it's a lot easier to offer a conversation when the topic and intent is fully known.
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8:39 am August 30, 2009
| Azumdula
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It was a hypothetical – I don't want to invite the GH to my house, I was speculating what would be required if one DID in order to trick them into thinking a place really was spooked. The reason for this, which I thought was apparent, but apparently wasn't, was to try and determine by the responses people posted what might have actually been done out of sight of the GH in order to play with their heads and induce a positive result.
Does that explain things….?
Its the least I can do, considering all the kindness and consideration you guys have shown me
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9:44 am August 30, 2009
| alicat
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Thanks Azumdula. I don't think anyone here can tell you "what might have actually been done out of sight of the GH in order to play with their heads and induce a positive result" as none of us were privileged to be a part of that. You would have to ask someone who had their place investigated and even that would be questionable. We can only speak to what is presented on the show and the research we have found regarding the claims. And, quite frankly, if anyone did "spill the beans", no one would ever know if it was the truth or not. In all fairness to one poster who did post her experiences, we have to take her word for what took place – just like we have to for GH or GHI. While I do have a tendency to believe this individual, I am basing my beliefs on logic, common sense and what has been presented to me by GH/TAPS' behavior, attitude, techniques (or lack thereof) and history. In addition, with GH/TAPS, contracts and non-disclosure agreements are signed which prevents those participants from talking (other than the glowing thank yous and PR you see since they get a chance to be on TV and, for commercial properties, publicity an increase in visitors and entrance/merchandise fees.)
To me, if someone was actually having a real problem, there would be no need to have it put on television for the world to see but that's just me. Have a local group come in and explore. I think when these people are chosen by TAPS family members, they are flattered and excited to meet the "big guns" or so they think. I'm not that easily impressed. I don't look at these guys as heros or celebrities of any kind and even celebrities don't impress me at all. And, as I said, I don't have the need to see my home or myself on TV.
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10:05 am August 30, 2009
| Azumdula
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Dude, this is completely pointless. you obviously have issues I cannot address…
I will post elsewhere, sorry to have barged in on 'your' forum
*mods – please delete my acount, thanks*
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11:06 am August 30, 2009
| alicat
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I guess the use of the word "dude" explains it all. If you don't want to hear logic and reason, why ask your questions "dude"? Oh, it's the answers to your issues. I understand now. I guess that is why you post like this on all the other boards you visit.
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3:03 pm August 30, 2009
| Sheetie Attitude
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Since Azumdula decided to take his marbles and go home, I doubt he will mind if I were to segue off of the OP a bit. As Alicat said-
"To me, if someone was actually having a real problem, there would be no need to have it put on television for the world to see but that's just me. Have a local group come in and explore."
I actually had wondered about this exact statement yesterday and I am ashamed to admit (ok, not that ashamed) that I decided to spend a bit of my free time doing research. I read quite a few different websites from assorted paranormal investigation groups to compare protocols, findings and other related information in areas that I have some very basic geographic knowledge. To translate, places that I have either lived or vacationed at some point in my life. Not exactly scientific but it's not like I have a life, so it passed some down time for me.
My findings were interesting to say the least. It certainly did leave me to think that GH might in fact be the best in the business. There seems to be one set of original protocols that have been copied and pasted from an unknown original source to just about every group I checked out. No one got points for originality, that is for sure. Their claimed findings were some of the worst orb pictures that I have ever seen but not to be out done by their active imaginations making the most simple knock or bang into some supernatural phenomenon.
I can only imagine the damage that these people can cause down the line with their tactics and information. It was a good thing that most of them had individual profiles listed. If you took the time to read those profiles, you wouldn't allow most of them to play with your dog, let alone give them full access to your home.
Now for those of you who may be lurking about who are perhaps more professional in your ghost hunting efforts, I am not talking about you. Please don't go an get all bent out of shape and feel some need to explain why you are better. I'm sure I will someday come across your website and have the chance to extol the virtues of your superior ghost hunting abilities. Until then, just remember that you are responsible for your actions in an area that should require a bit more finesse than a closet full of matching black t-shirts and some electronic equipment that has very little proof of value at this time.
Sorry for derailing this topic but I had to say it.
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3:19 pm August 30, 2009
| alicat
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Steetie Attitude,
Very glad you brought up the subject. After selling my house and buying another several years ago, I often thought about how many people I didn't know were walking around my house in the daylight when I wasn't home (because they don't like the seller on premises for many reasons). I must say it unnerved me. Later, when selling my last place I got that chill all over again. This time, for reasons I won't go into here, I did not leave the house and just sat quietly in the living room but I still felt uncomfortable. What I found were neighbors coming to check it out (people are just nosey) and those with realtors that came who scared the heck out of me even more. Although I know it has to be done, people do drift from their realtors and I was never comfortable with that situation. For that reason, later I would never agree to a lock box or especially an open house. So I understand your comments completely.
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3:30 pm August 30, 2009
| Sheetie Attitude
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I do understand your feelings about having strangers about. I thought it might just be me as I personally do tend to treasure my privacy for some unexplained reason.
I also wonder if these homeowners realize that the 'haunted' aspect attached to their home can result in a financial loss when they decide to sell. Since I haven't noticed any state actually requiring disclosure of such things as 'haunted' at this time, why would anyone want to publicize something so controversial? I'm sure that the only logical explanation at this point is they are looking for their 15 minutes of fame. But at what cost?
The human mind and ego baffles me.
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3:45 pm August 30, 2009
| alicat
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True. I'm the same way. I like my privacy and it's up to me to share what I want with others. As you and I both know, no disclosure is required for paranormal activity but it does drive the value negatively. People do talk and they love to gossip and you just need to walk the neighborhood and say hello. The realtors won't tell you anything these days. Most (at least around here) tell you to contact the town, county and police about zoning of surrounding areas, neighborhood problems, etc. However, they do have to tell you if someone met their demise on the property in an unsavory way or at least I'm told they do. No one wants to be sued so they pretty much just get you in the house and the rest is up to you. It's not the way it used to be anymore.
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4:15 pm August 30, 2009
| Angelayo1970
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Am I the only one who thinks that Azumdula was one of the TAPS team members who posted this question trying to see if anyone here would give away a burning desire to try and trap them into a bogus investigation? Of course, with the use of the word "dude" it could have been one of the GA guys trying to find a way to "punk" GH! LOL
On a different note, my husband and I bought our first home two years ago. We had looked at well over 100 homes in our area before we found the right one, and were extremely happy to have had our offer accepted immediately and the sale closed in what I think is a record time of one week! While we were going through the "looking" phase of our search, our realtor (who is also a very close family friend) showed us a house that she thought would have been perfect for our family of 5 plus various animals. As we were walking up to the home she said "You know, I could get fired for telling you this, but supposedly this house is haunted and that's why the asking price is so low." I thought that was interesting that information pertaining to a homes' reputation would be grounds for dismissal, but realty is a very competitive business and there is a lot of pressure to make the sale. Plus, apparently, it's cosidered something akin to slander toward the current homeowner to say something that could potentially make the home undesirable to buyers.
Just thought that was sort of interesting. And no, we didn't buy the "haunted" house, if anyone is curious! Not because we got any sort of bad vibes in it (it was actually a very lovely home) but because the backyard was roughly the size of a postage stamp and we have three children and dogs! :)
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4:32 pm August 30, 2009
| alicat
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Angelayo70,
Please accept my apologies for not welcoming you earlier. You are 100% correct in your analysis of why a realtor cannot/should not make that revelation. She told you because you were a friend and I would hope that if a realtor friend would show me a property with that reputation, I would be told as well. It would be up to me to make that decision but it's not worth it to him/her not to ruin a friendship over a house by not telling you something you might/might not be mad about. Good to know you bought a house you love with the room for three kids and dogs.
And no, I don't think this is a TAPS or GA person. Apparently this individual has posted like this on other boards.
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5:01 pm August 30, 2009
| Sheetie Attitude
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Hello and welcome Angelayo70.
I have also wondered if an occasional TAPS crew person or member might lurk around here from time to time to pick up pointers. Obviously not, as intelligent input is obviously not necessary to them. 
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5:12 pm August 30, 2009
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Thanks for the welcome, Ali and Sheetie!
I was reading some of Azum's other posts in the forum. The words "random ramblings" came to mind… :)
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10:37 pm August 30, 2009
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Hi Angelayo,
That is interesting! Where is this haunted house? Do you still have the address? Let's send a crack SV team to investigate "known" haunted location…
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I've found that being AWESOME is a full time job…
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6:52 am August 31, 2009
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Bobarino said:
Hi Angelayo,
That is interesting! Where is this haunted house? Do you still have the address? Let's send a crack SV team to investigate "known" haunted location…
I'm in, I'll get my K2, my twisty-top flashlight, my…uh oh, you said crack, not cracked. In which case, I'll just bring my real stuff.
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