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2:31 am
March 29, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Oh….this is too good…

In an effort for a ghost hunting group to legitimize their expertise, they often pepper their websites with their "very official sounding" affiliations.  While looking over a few sites, the banner I kept seeing was that of IGHS (the International Ghost Hunter's Society).  They claim to be "the largest (11,000 members) and oldest Ghost Research Society on the Internet."  Ok, no way I can prove or disaprove that, but fine…

Then I took a look at their Standards and Protocols section.  It is to "provide guidelines to ensure professionalism" amongst the IGHS members.  They are "based on experience and common sense."

 http://www.ghostweb.com/sp.html

Many caught my eye, but there was one in particular that really stood out for me:

"Skeptical minds will generate negative energy during an investigation.  Do not bring along skeptics or those who are negative or want proof that ghosts exist."

I kid you not.  I can't even make up something that's funnier… Laughing

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

5:31 am
March 29, 2009


CrowTRobot

Investigator

posts 228

True, the 'skepitcal' part is interesting, although I actually thought the 'do not bring those who want proof ghosts exist' even more so. However; to me, a non-ghost hunter, a lot of their guidelines make sense. TAPS could benefit from a look at this list.

I….I'm thinking.

8:31 am
March 29, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

  • Respect posted property, ask permission, and do not trespass.
  • Always conduct your investigations in a professional manner.
  • Show reverence and respect in cemeteries, battlefields, historic sites, etc.
  • No running or horse play in cemeteries or historical sites.

I think Steve broke all of these last investigation Lol.

Where did this come from? "Follow the lunar cycles and solar storms for conducting investigations for best results. Paranormal events occur during peak geomagnetic field conditions."

They fail to specify which lunar cycle. Perhaps they don't know either.

Well ghost hunters should be getting all time lows as we are at the bottom of the sun spot cycle. The peak looks to be around 2011 2012.

OD'd on EMF

9:23 am
March 29, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2956

or want proof that ghosts exist

Okay…if they, themselves, aren't in fact looking for proof that ghosts exist, why are they hunting in the first place?

The "don't bring skeptics along" statement and the explanation of that directive by use of "negative energy" just flushed their entire operation.

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10:31 am
March 29, 2009


alicat

Guest

@ Revenant

All I can say is thank you for posting this link.  You made my day.  I have especially enjoyed reading everyone's comments thus far and I second Nosfer's comment  "Okay…if they, themselves, aren't in fact looking for proof that ghosts exist, why are they hunting in the first place?" 

After having a good chuckle while reading through the guidelines, I realized, like Learjet, that Steve has broken those "rules" in just the first few episodes this season.  I guess it's safe to say, Steve's not an IGHS member.  And remember . . . .  Steve is going to "teach" ghost hunting for the "College Edition".

My theory is that if most of those 11,000+ members just followed the first guideline by asking permission and they actually got an answer, they wouldn't be hanging around to follow the rest of the rules.  Dude run!

10:44 am
March 29, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2956

Need to comment on a few more of these!

Avoid shooting when foreign objects are floating near camera.
So…that full torso floating apparition that you are witnessing…avoid shooting it.

After twenty minutes, the spirits will get bored, no need to record longer in one area.
This is based upon what?

If someone is angry, they should not be involved with an investigation. They will draw angry spirits and the other spirits will avoid them.
Why…what's wrong with attracting an angry spirit? You might get some really good footage and audio of some ticked-off spook!

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5:29 pm
March 29, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Learjet said:

Well ghost hunters should be getting all time lows as we are at the bottom of the sun spot cycle. The peak looks to be around 2011 2012.


Something tells me that they won't be worried about it.  They'll be too busy worrying that the world is coming to an end in 2012.

I'm glad everyone liked that link.  Just too funny.

Nosfer- I know how you feel, I wanted to comment on a bunch of them!  But you did bring up my other favorite one:  "After twenty minutes, the spirits will be bored, no need to record longer in one area."

Ok…so…

1)  By the given statement, we are to take "spirits" as real.  Not a theory or a possibility, but a proven fact.

2) Spirits can be "bored."  Therefore every haunting, by definition, is an "intelligent" hauntiing.  So much for the "residual" haunting theory.

3) Spirits have the attention span of twenty minutes.  Even though some may claim spirits to be over hundreds of years old and someone is finally trying to communicate with it…well, you've got 20 minutes.  I guess asking them mathematical word problems is out of the question.

4) Um….what?!?  Laughing

EDIT: Oh, and Alicat- "Steve is going to 'teach' ghost hunting for the 'College Edition.'"  Definitely a case of "the blind leading the naked…"

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

6:50 am
March 30, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

It seems that anyone can come up with the most ludicrous ideas about spirits and have them accepted as "facts". 

Suddenly any group of people who can get together enough money or max out credit cards and buy some EMF meters, an IR camera or even a FLIR can claim to be scientific ghost hunters.  This idea about not bringing along any skeptics is one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard.  Are they really that insecure about their abilities?  Why would ghosts care if a skeptic is around?

We are being treated to the same old excuses that are used when people who claim supernatural powers bomb out when asked to perform on cue. What are these ghost hunters really afraid of?

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

7:02 am
March 30, 2009


Wes

Spaulding Inn, Room 38

Investigator

posts 142

Well you know folks, there's a theory that ghosts are in tune with the psyches of anyone looking for them and wll NOT appear if any skeptics are present (it's sort of like a ghost union rule); therefore, if no ghosts appear at an investigation, it doesn't mean that they aren't there, it simply means someone present is too skeptical … therefore, when no ghosts appear at in investigation, it proves the aforementioned theory!

So stick that in your skeptical pipes!

"The truth shall bear all light."

7:06 am
March 30, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Sounds very similar to the viewpoint of many mediums when holding a seance.  The skeptic will prevent the spirit from making contact.  These people never run out of excuses, do they?

Amazing how people know so much about ghosts when, to date, no one has ever documented the existence of one that would stand up to serious scientific scrutiny.   And yet we get these silly spoutings from people who seem to know all about ghosts and the rules of the afterlife.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

3:43 am
March 31, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

Investigator

posts 99

I think the fact that skeptics with "negative energy" are not welcome offers some insight into the true nature of most ghost investigations. Someone with a questioning, skeptical mind can have an effect on the other investigators. A vast majority of people go on ghost hunts to have an experience, not to discover the true nature of any phenomena. Having someone question or explain an experience would lessen the impact and be a buzzkill of sorts. In this context many of us would be terrible additions to an investigation. We can usually come up with simple, plausible explanations for many things people claim to experience.

Hee hee hee! "Get her!" That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.

6:51 am
March 31, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

dr_peter_venkman said:

I think the fact that skeptics with "negative energy" are not welcome offers some insight into the true nature of most ghost investigations. Someone with a questioning, skeptical mind can have an effect on the other investigators. A vast majority of people go on ghost hunts to have an experience, not to discover the true nature of any phenomena. Having someone question or explain an experience would lessen the impact and be a buzzkill of sorts. In this context many of us would be terrible additions to an investigation. We can usually come up with simple, plausible explanations for many things people claim to experience.


The same seems to apply to any TVs that have serious skeptics on the panel (if any still do).  Your comments about people wanting to experience ghosts rather than researching into what is causing the phenomena explains why shows like The Skeptologists will always find it hard to get airplay.  And if the "interview" Alison of SAPS conducted is any indication, if someone is too skeptical those parts end up on the cutting room floor.

Really, really sad.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

4:30 pm
March 31, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

Thanks Revenant, great find.

"Ask the spirits of the dead for permission to take their photos or to record their voices."

Doesn't say whether to wait for a "Yes" or "No".  So how do you know when to start taking photos and evps?

Reminds me of yesterday when I turned on the radio and caught the last bit of the host talking about some psychic and her website.  The radio host then said, "the good thing is that if the psychic tells you something you don't like about your future, you can always ask if it is set in stone, or can you change it."  HUH?!

7:51 am
May 26, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

"Skeptical minds will generate negative energy during an investigation."

COOL … so just how is this measured ?

Does the EMF meter pin backwards or read negative values ?

Unlike the claims of spirits having an effect on EMF values which they really don't have any way of proving, this should be provable …

IF we only had a scientific way of measuring this "negative energy".

9:15 am
May 26, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

The Doctor said:

"Skeptical minds will generate negative energy during an investigation."

COOL … so just how is this measured ?

Does the EMF meter pin backwards or read negative values ?

Unlike the claims of spirits having an effect on EMF values which they really don't have any way of proving, this should be provable …

IF we only had a scientific way of measuring this "negative energy".


How was this conclusion reached that skeptics give off negative energy? 

Dr. Peter said We are a "buzzkill".  I agree, we would sit and analyze not just accept it was paranormal right off the bat.  On the other hand, most of these groups say they want to investigate scientificially, research, etc. soooo they want it both ways? 

The Doctor: "IF we only had a scientific way of measuring this "negative energy"."

And a BS meter would be nice also. 

As everyone knows on this forum, I was the one that was voted 'Most likely to cause terrible accident in the chemistry lab'.  Laughing

As far as I can tell, no scientific parameters were set for paranormal evidence collecting.  With no set protocols how does the field move forward?  Can you use protocols and parameters and have it mean the same thing in the science world? 

12:48 pm
May 26, 2009


phillyk48

Indiana

Investigator

posts 81

I just love the CD's they have for "Home Study Certification".

"We offer three Home Study certification programs. We offer the Certified Ghost Researcher, the Certified Paranormal Investigator and Certified EVP Researcher. The Part 1 and Part 2 is available as a combined CD, while the Part 3 is a separate CD. "

Hey everybody!  Learn how to ghost hunt!  Get 'Certified' !  Be scientific!   But gosh, since we're all skeptics, the ghosts won't come out and play with us….such a shame    Tongue out

If your cat's speaking Latin, you might have a problem

5:22 pm
May 26, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Must get me one of them certified CD's to add to my online university degree.. Cool

OD'd on EMF

9:37 pm
May 26, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

The Doctor said:

IF we only had a scientific way of measuring this "negative energy".


Here you go, they should like this one:

http://www.creativekidsathome.com/games/measuring_energy.shtml

And remember…"Never leave a partner with negative energy."

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

9:54 pm
May 26, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Amazing things those coat hangers. Wink

OD'd on EMF

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