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1:42 am
February 7, 2011
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Revenant
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Quite recently, there has been talk of creating a new section for various videos for us to look at. In another thread, I stated that I was against the idea for many reasons. So…what do I do? I find a video that I want to share with the rest of the class. Funny how things work out, no?
The Set-Up:
Presumably Russian video out in the woods. A guy (don't know if there are more people with him) is filming his dog (which I believe is named "Tarzan") running around, the dog runs off, the guy shouts, turns his camera and films something quite unusual…
The Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..JooSXSxgho
The Conclusion:
It's definitely a witch/alien hybrid. Grab the torches and pitchforks 'cause it's "I don't know what that is so I'm gonna to kill it" time!
The Challenge:
People wish to take a stab at examining video in a critical fashion…then so be it. This video is fake. But…why? Prove that it is. Or…prove that I'm wrong and we hoist this video up as true evidence of the paranormal. (Nosfer, Learjet, and Stephen are automatically disqualified for just being way smarter than the rest of us. So they don't get to play in these reindeer games.) Fabulous prizes await the winners while scorn and ridicule shall befall the losers.
And in typically FoF fashion…"Debunking the video in 3…2…1…GO!"
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3:14 am
February 7, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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Post edited 3:26 am – February 7, 2011 by Axel Olrik
Okay…I am not a techie, so I rely on others. But this seems like it would be pretty easy to fake.
Immediate reasons for suspicion…
1) Russian guy addressing his dog in English in the middle of a Russian forest.
2) Break in continuity between the child in flight and the child on the ground.
3) Very poor quality of the images so that any photo-shop blurring of cables or other supports would be difficult to detect.
My best guess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..r_embedded
But, I have always liked this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..f0oDEzKN_M
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3:25 am
February 7, 2011
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Remembered this from a few years ago. Hope posting an older, but higher quality video doesn't subvert the contest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ZwbwweF_WQ
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3:46 am
February 7, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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Yes, the higher quality video is helpful…what is the the blurry white object moving back and forth in front of the child at about 30 seconds? At first I thought it was an out of focus tree branch, but then it moves to the left and a larger image appears at the base with a stick-like extension going up toward the child. It looks like it might be a person or other object with a crane or pole that could be used to suspend the child and which was then imperfectly removed through photo shop.
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3:59 am
February 7, 2011
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Hey wait a minute! I really suck at explaining these videos so I'm re-entering myself. 
The video is obviously real and the kid is really flying! There, how did I do?
When did we have this conversation that this was a bad idea again? I can't remember, but then I don't remember lots of things. Sounds like fun playing FoF.
I could make a cardboard cutout of the kid, and using a frame of glass, some rope and an RV to demonstrate that I can't re-create this video so it must be real!
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4:17 am
February 7, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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What is really unnerving are all the YouTube postings of international news agencies that featured this video on their local stations….perhaps there IS a global alien conspiracy to cultivate idiocy among the inhabitants of earth?
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4:24 am
February 7, 2011
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Axel Olrik said:
what is the the blurry white object moving back
and forth in front of the child at about 30 seconds? At first I thought
it was an out of focus tree branch, but then it moves to the left and a
larger image appears at the base with a stick-like extension going up
toward the child.
Yeah at first I wondered if it had something to do with it. Its long horizontal movement without affecting the child, motion with the camera, and blurriness doesn't quite fit though.
After carefully watching a few times, it looks like a weed or some such in the foreground. When the second almost humanoid image appears, it looks like a second weed changing in perspective (closer to the camera) with the first as the camera moves. Its blurry color seems to distorts the leaves and stuff on the left. It also seems to slightly discolor the child in a few places as it passes in front.
Also, witches require brooms so that's definitely out.
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4:41 am
February 7, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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Post edited 4:43 am – February 7, 2011 by Axel Olrik
I don't think it could be a weed…there are none that would be that high in the visual field, unless the witness was lying on the ground and filming up, which would totally distort the perspective. If it were higher, like a sapling branch, there would be no reason for it to appear, move uprightly to the left and then back to the right while the camera is fixed on the child.
Also, nothing like it appears before that shot and it is not there after visual the break between the child in flight and the child on the ground. If you look closely in the last few moments of its appearance, after it moves to the left and begins to move to the right again, you can see what appears to me to be a partially erased human figure standing under the child holding a pole up…the body and the hands on the pole seem quite distinct at that instant.
I really would prefer that it be a green or blue screen creation, but I think it is more crude than that.
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5:33 am
February 7, 2011
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Hmmm. As for his positioning… before he moves totally in and stops, look at the tree on the right. Watch the lower leaves as he moves forward and stops. It looks like he is filming the leaves towards the bottom of the tree, making me think he moves up and crouches behind the tree a bit. After he points the camera down and comes back, you see a lot of stuff sticking out on the right that reaches over the adult's head from his perspective.
That's what I think I'm seeing anyways. Also, I think one weed is at 26 seconds moving to the right while he's still moving up, before it becomes the blurry thing moving to the left.
It does look like someone with a pole that could have been smudged in the one frame, but it doesn't make sense for me in the way it moves and looks before that point.
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10:46 am
February 7, 2011
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Nosfer
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1:26 am
February 8, 2011
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Revenant
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Post edited 1:26 am – February 8, 2011 by Revenant
Post edited 1:26 am – February 8, 2011 by Revenant
Learjet said:
Hey wait a minute! I really suck at explaining these videos so I'm re-entering myself.
The video is obviously real and the kid is really flying! There, how did I do?
Of course it's obviously real and the kid is really flying! Why would I post a hoaxed video? You see? You don't suck at explaining these videos…so once again, you're disqualified. 
And so far…no clear cut winners. I won't reveal the answer (or answers…) until the weekend. That's plenty of time to throw on your Deerstalker (look it up…), grab the magnifying glass and get down to business.
Oh, and since we're playing FoF and all…here's a hint…it's NOT a spider… 
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9:38 am
February 8, 2011
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The blurry object Axel and Click-By mentioned looks like a rope to me. Check it out around the 0:54 mark (on the link Revenant posted). It comes into view from right to left, and hangs for a brief moment around 0:58. Here it looks to me like the child grabs it, and shoves it again in the same direction before it starts to swing back towards the kid. Gives me the feeling that she is just a normal kid playing around in the woods ..
What that has to do with why she appears to be floating is beyond me =) I'm stumped on that part.
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6:16 pm
February 8, 2011
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I really can't imagine any reason for a rope to be flying across the screen or how it could relate to the girl who is near motionless. Here's a motion tracked video I found on youtube, the stuff in the foreground seems more obvious in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v….._Pj6JqjBYQ
Also, I saw a comment that he is infact speaking Russian, and not an English "come here," rather it's "ko mne". He stresses the second word one of the time he says it, sounds much more like the Russian word "mne" than "here". Means something similar to "come here".
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6:38 pm
February 8, 2011
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Revenant
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Click-By,
You now possess the Rosetta Stone. Excellent job. Now…put it all together. Look for both seen and unseen, known and unknown. In this video and the orginal video…you have everything that you need to propose a hoaxing theory. How was it done?
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6:57 pm
February 8, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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I am by no means clear on this. Although it did occur to me that the dog's owner might be speaking a Russian phrase that was simply very similar toEnglish. But then I never do hear what I am suppose to with EVPs either.
I still see someone moving back and forth under the child. The only other anomaly I can see is what may be a cable running just above the child at a slight upward angle from left to right and another one at about her knee level downward from left to right…together with some other rather blurry lines in her general area it might indicate a sort of rope "hammock" for her to lie in…although that seems pretty precarious. I did at times think I saw some indication of a possible harness under her coat…but the image is just too poor to be certain one way or the other.
Nevertheless, since it is a well known YouTube fact that children these days are being born with greater amounts of "psychic DNA", my suspicions may be totally unfounded.
The dog is brilliant anyway.
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7:31 pm
February 8, 2011
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Look and you shall see. Listen and you shall hear.
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9:56 pm
February 8, 2011
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dudes dog is tarzan and sees a girl kinda swinging in a tree cool!
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11:31 am
February 9, 2011
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Revenant
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"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer
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12:00 pm
February 9, 2011
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Nosfer
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…and in more ways than one.
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