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12:05 am May 27, 2009
| Hannah
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WE FIELD A TEAM OF OVER FORTY HIGHLY TRAINED DIVERS AND SURFACE SUPPORT STAFF, INVESTIGATING THE PARANORMAL IN A WAY THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN
http://www.ghostpros.com/
This ghost hunting group is quite well-funded and have some interesting ideas about the paranormal field.
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1:11 am May 27, 2009
| Revenant
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The Informative Greeting page…
Wow, Mr. Ehrlich, you sure are upbeat!!! Gosh!!! I don't know what you're sellin'…but I'm buyin'!!!
"Stop worrying about measuring, and take the time to Appreciate. So much is lost on the "Investigator". To the person who has his head in a lab."
What? So much is lost to people who work in labs? You mean like the people who have developed every piece of technology that you use? Those people should stop worrying about measuring? What?
"Understand that when we start studying, we stop learning. And when we sit back and observe, objectively, we open the doors to understanding. Imagine that…"
What? When we start studying…we stop learning? And we open the doors to understanding without studying or learning? What?
"AND, last but not least. Please take the time to appreciate the History of what once was."
What? Um…"what once was" is called "history." What?
Well, Mr. Ehrlich…you're a moron. But gosh you're upbeat about it!!!
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"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer
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2:50 am May 27, 2009
| bullerspoke
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I would say that o measure is to appreciate, in a double sense. Why bother trying to measure what you don't care about? And appreciation relies on perception which relies on measurement. True, not everything can be reduced to numbers, but numbers help us grasp, to understand, and thereby appreciate the wonders around us. Those who shy away from "the lab" gets an incomplete view of the world, since they wholly rely on a subjective and often faulty perception.
It is because we appreciate and care we study paranormal phenomena or any other phenomena for that matter. Every scientists is initially drawn to a phenomena out of interest and appreciation. True later on it might be more about grants and funding, such is the reality of academics unfortunately (and more so the less public funding is granted), but still noone puts down years of their life studying anything if the don't appreciate what they study. The reason for study is a will to know as much as possible of a phenomena that intrigues you and which you care about, be it election demographics, prostate cancer, stellar nurseries or ghosts.
The sentiment that study "blocks" learning is a vulgar take on Rousseau and an often cited "truth" among those who struggled in school for various reasons. They equate study with school, making a false dichotomy between formal and informal learning. I hated school and have the grades to prove it yet still I am a person prone to study, and actually now have a university degree (to little gain employment-wise unfortunately) and the years at university was the most mind-opening and intriguing of my life. I got the chance to study the world and realise it's wondrous nature. I learned how to learn for real (for life) at university and not for the benefit of teachers and the school, but for myself.
Appreciate the history of what once was??? That's a tautology and about the stupidest things I've seen written all categories. Mr. Ehrlich is truly a moron. He is a zealot who walks through life with blinkers because he's to lazy to actually learn and understand anything about the phenomena he claims to appreciate. I would say he does not appreciate much else than his ego and have no respect (if not even pure disrespect) for paranormal phenomena, or any other phenomena for that matter.
Why o why does these people search out the field of paranormal investigation, like flies to sugar, ripping any sense out of it and making a ludicrous endevour and a laughing matter? It's not easy keeping oneself from becoming a cynic, both when it comes to people and paranormal phenomena.
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When in doubt… figure it out!
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3:37 am May 27, 2009
| dr_peter_venkman
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He isn't a moron. At least not completely. Here's a quote from the welcome page.
"The Paranormal world has become as much about Entertainment as it is anything else."
This is insightful, true, and a condemnation of the field all in one nice little sentence. Here's another:
Many in the field are laboring in the wrong direction.
Again, he hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately he's leading people on a banzai charge in that wrong direction. I agree with part of this next one:
And when we sit back and observe, objectively, we open the doors to understanding.
Too many times I see the GH investigators running around with EMF meters, temperature sensors, or whatever other piece of equipment they have decided to misuse that day. They wave these things about calling out readings for no real purpose. The data is useless and the effort is wasted. They would probably learn more by careful observation than this sort of activity. Once they get a good sense of the nature of what they are trying to study, they can formulate real theories and hypothesis so that the data generation and gathering has a purpose.
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Hee hee hee! "Get her!" That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.
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4:22 am May 27, 2009
| bullerspoke
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Well, I still maintain the opinion he is atleast moronic. His whole approach is skewed (appreciation not proof) and while he has som legit criticism against in the misuse of technology, he dives head first into the darkest corners of woo. Even a blind hen and so forth…
His approach is that ghosts in unexplainable therefor we do not need proof and thereby do not need to investigate the paranormal using basic science and the only thing we can do is experience ghosts. And have fun, be entertained.
His sentence on the paranormal as entertainment is not really a criticism, rather an endorsement of using ghosts as a means of entertainment (while still "take the time to honor the ghosts of their past").
According to him we should all sit down (in a circle? ) and only "experience" and "honor" ghosts and not even try to understand the phenomena. He does not want investigation, he wants ghost stories. No wonder, since investigation probably would debunk most of his "stories" and "experiences".
My guess is Mr. Ehrlich got tired of not being able to produce any proof via investigation and made a logic somersault and threw out reason and instead went off the wall. Instead of actually engaging in the study of the phenomena he retracted into belief, because then he had no responsbility to have any answers, any proof, but could simply say "unexplainable" and "we shall experience not investigate ghosts" over and over again.
The whole perspective if faulty due to it's initial assumptions. And it is moronic. Change ghosts to aliens in his "manifest" and the stupidity is clear as crystal.
As for sitting down an observing objectively, that sounds all good but only if you disregard the fact that there is no objective observations. That is why we need the scientific method. Observations, experiences are always subjective and prey for presumptions, assumptions, bias, misreadings, misinterpretations. What you see is not what you get. At times you can achieve intersubjectivity but that's about as good as it gets. If you rely on yourself as the primary tool for observation you are bound to miss most of what happens and misinterpret the rest. Especially if you don't make yourself aware of that that is the case.
Of course there is nothing wrong with trying to "experience" ghosts, hey, it sure sounds fun. But in the end you are back where you started, without any answers, and in the worst case with the belief that answers and understanding are not necessary. And if I want to be entertained by ghosts and other paranormal phenomena I go to the movies, I do not not invade people's homes and businesses.
In fact to anyone actually caring about the phenomena of ghosts Mr. Ehrlich's "manifest" is downright insulting. It is a cowardly and cheap way to eat the cake while still having it. Lazy thinking, if any thinking at all.
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6:34 am May 27, 2009
| blinddog
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Pros: Sure do have some 'purdy' pictures.
Seems that they do a small amount of research on the sites they visit.
Gotta' cool looking van.
30 years of experience in paranormal investigating.
Cons: Kinda' stingy with the apparition pics he says they have.
After 25 of the 30 years experience he claims, it seems he said 'Screw it,
I'm gonna' make a buck'.
Has an ego as large, if not larger, than Jason Hawes.
Maybe as a Halloween special, Lee and Jason can have a spook-off.
Have mixed feelings on underwater paranormal investigations.
Learjet, check on waterproofing your k2 meter.
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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7:04 am May 27, 2009
| Oubliette
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Their "As Seen On TV" logo on their website says it all. Reminds me of those cheesy infomercials.
"When we start studying, we stop learning." Huh???
Yeah, who needs to study? Why do research work in a lab? Uh, it's called SCIENCE. What a nitwit.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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8:00 am May 27, 2009
| Hannah
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Oubliette said:
Their "As Seen On TV" logo on their website says it all. Reminds me of those cheesy infomercials.
"When we start studying, we stop learning." Huh???
Yeah, who needs to study? Why do research work in a lab? Uh, it's called SCIENCE. What a nitwit.
The company films its search and sells the videos, which weave in the story of the site — fact and lore — and the Paranormal Divers’ experience.
The Cape Coral-based company is preparing for a summer of ghost-hunting in Bay area waters, with investigations of the Gunsmoke, a shrimp trawler that mysteriously sank with a cargo of marijuana 14 miles west of Egmont Key in 1977; the Blackthorn, a Coast Guard buoy tender that collided with a freighter in 1980, killing 23 seamen; and the waters beneath the old Sunshine Skyway, where 35 people died after a freighter rammed the bridge in ‘80.
“We look for the stories, the romance,“ Ehrlich says. “We’re putting the ghost back in the ghost ship.“ “We offer our evidence in good-faith for both Scientific (as applicable) and Entertainment value, and it is up to the viewer to believe what he or she feels is the truth,“ according to a disclaimer."
http://www.scnow.com/scp/lifestyles/local/article/paranormal_divers_plan_summer_of_ghost-hunting_in_tampa_bay/52565/
I will give him this he is up-front about what he is selling to the public.
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8:01 am May 27, 2009
| Hannah
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Oubliette said:
Their "As Seen On TV" logo on their website says it all. Reminds me of those cheesy infomercials.
"When we start studying, we stop learning." Huh???
Yeah, who needs to study? Why do research work in a lab? Uh, it's called SCIENCE. What a nitwit.
The company films its search and sells the videos, which weave in the story of the site — fact and lore — and the Paranormal Divers’ experience.
The Cape Coral-based company is preparing for a summer of ghost-hunting in Bay area waters, with investigations of the Gunsmoke, a shrimp trawler that mysteriously sank with a cargo of marijuana 14 miles west of Egmont Key in 1977; the Blackthorn, a Coast Guard buoy tender that collided with a freighter in 1980, killing 23 seamen; and the waters beneath the old Sunshine Skyway, where 35 people died after a freighter rammed the bridge in ‘80.
“We look for the stories, the romance,“ Ehrlich says. “We’re putting the ghost back in the ghost ship.“ “We offer our evidence in good-faith for both Scientific (as applicable) and Entertainment value, and it is up to the viewer to believe what he or she feels is the truth,“ according to a disclaimer."
http://www.scnow.com/scp/lifestyles/local/article/paranormal_divers_plan_summer_of_ghost-hunting_in_tampa_bay/52565/
I will give him this he is up-front about what he is selling to the public, even though he is a
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8:04 am May 27, 2009
| Mary
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And here I was under the (mistaken?) impression that ghosts didn't like water. Apparently, it's only the Wicked Witch of the West that doesn't care for it.
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"Quando omni flunkus moritati" ("When all else fails, play dead") – Possum Lodge motto. Jason and Grant should adopt it as their own.
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