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11:02 am
October 5, 2010


Realdeal

Tx

Investigator in Training

posts 15

Throw away your KII , your Franks Box, your  Shack Hack, not needed. If you want to see  how to talk directly  with spirits you need to get you tickets now. Andy has also done a few TAPS events even used his full spectrum CCTV camera at the Spaulding Inn.

 http://youendure.wordpress.com/upcoming-events/

http://www.youtube.com/user/diver4skynsea?feature=mhum%E2%80%8C

2:17 pm
October 5, 2010


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1147

The first video is quite impressive, the second not so much. But I was impressed enough to do some research about this device.

First I found a forum thread about the device, then I found the actual device used, some schematics, some mods, then I realised I've got something similar and that my induction coils are vastly superior. Then my heart sank, as it does every time I get my hopes up only to be dashed against the rocks of reality.

If I've interpreted it correctly, basically it's just an amplifier with an induction coil. It receives low frequency RF (SLV/ULF/VLF) via the induction coil (antenna) and amplifies it, hence all the buzz, whistles etc from powerlines and associated harmonics. In principle It's similar to my VLF sferics receiver. But I believe they are also injecting certain tones/frequencies as well.

The theory is that spirits may actually produce RF – radio frequency (EMF) instead of AF – audio frequencies when they speak. Even though the propagation method is different – alternating current instead of wave pressure, the actual frequencies in use are the same, therefore it's simply a matter of converting the RF back into AF, much like a radio does.

I must do a youtube video one day as I can actually play and receive perfectly coherent signals, voice or music using this method without the use of a microphone or speaker and transmit them across the room. The range is usually limited by the quality of the coils or antennas, output power on the transmitter and noise threshold on the receiver.

This is all well and good, but I have to ask, why are the results of other people using similar equipment somewhat less spectacular? This makes me very suspect of manipulation, not to mention that this equipment is so basic that it's been around for over 100 years now. As long as radio itself. This is basically ULF radio, an EMF listener, a natural Earth sounds receiver and no one has noticed it's ability to communicate with spirits before?

OD'd on EMF

7:07 pm
October 5, 2010


Realdeal

Tx

Investigator in Training

posts 15

Found this podcast after my original post http://njprg.com/blog2/?p=29

 I also thought it strange how no one else has had the same success. I also suspected that Mr Coppock was performing  a ventriloquist show and after hearing this podcast I'm sure he is. I see that he has also been teaching TAPS Paralab classes with Britt Griffith. I wonder if we will be able to see Britt move his lips.

12:03 am
October 6, 2010


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1147

That is a brilliant podcast. Thanks realdeal, that's sealed it for me. Coppock is poppycock. All he is missing as a ventriloquist is a stage dummy with his hand up it's back. It's blatant fraud.

I'm disgusted with people like that. Equipment misuse I will tolerate and try to educate people to what they are doing wrong. At least they are not deliberately trying to deceive.

We are keeping a close eye on Britt also. He even has his own suspect list.

OD'd on EMF

9:15 am
October 6, 2010


Orion

The Mundane Plane

Investigator

posts 105

Learjet said:

The theory is that spirits may actually produce RF – radio frequency (EMF) instead of AF – audio frequencies when they speak. Even though the propagation method is different – alternating current instead of wave pressure, the actual frequencies in use are the same, therefore it's simply a matter of converting the RF back into AF, much like a radio does.


Good point, because I feel it's one that a fair deal of less scientific minded ghost hunters get confused on; mechanical sound pressure is totally different from EM waves, even though they are sometimes capable of alternating within the same general frequency range. Hell, I've even made that error before,  I wasn't paying close enough attention.  It creates an especially big difference if you're using the frequency to try and determine the wavelength, as the speed of sound and the speed of radio waves are .. uhh.. slightly different.  -not that I ever conflated the two or anything once … Innocent

I just can't get into ITC.  I think it's all a crock, (with the possible exception of some EVP);   I especially don't care for the forms of ITC that employ any kind of manipulation or seeding, it just contaminates the data and produces false positives.

Having an open mind is a two way street.

9:39 am
October 6, 2010


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1147

I absolutely agree. Generating RF noise to "help spirits communicate" just contaminates the evidence.

Orion, and anyone else reading who may have an interest, you must listen to podcast 11 "equipment and technique round table." It's some of the most level headed discussion I've heard to date from skilled researchers. One guy is an audio engineer. http://njprg.com/blog2/?p=36

I think there's more in podcast 12. I'm just lapping this up as I've become very discouraged of late that anyone is actually doing any serious research. All I've been exposed to are idiots that perform pseudoscience. These guys have given me new hope to continue my research. Perhaps I will build my new low noise preamp and lower Q detection antennas now. Maybe EMF and EVP's are not a dead end after all (pun intended).

OD'd on EMF

9:48 am
October 6, 2010


Orion

The Mundane Plane

Investigator

posts 105

Cool, thanks Learjet, I'll check it out when I get home from work

Having an open mind is a two way street.

2:27 pm
October 24, 2010


Michelle Brown

Guest

Hi. My name is Michelle Brown and I am Andy Coppock's research partner. Just have a couple of things to add to all this.  Ok…more than a couple…

I'm sad the podcast discouraged you. We've (us, everyone working so hard on the research) have been infuriated by his nerve. David made not one single phone call to Andy nor did he even try to examine anything we are doing in person. We have an open door policy that we'll answer any question you have, and encourage examination of the technology and theories—just ask!! This guy took a huge radio interview Andy did with someone else, then spliced it and diced it to fit his agenda–which was simply, I believe, to discredit and destroy. Its easy to take anyones words and manipulate them. I'm convinced its an ego thing. The guy is promoting himself as a leader trying to make the paranormal field more scientific (which is awesome) but wants, I think, just to be valued as the only one who knows what he's talking about. He knows nothing about Andy or the work he has done in the past or is doing now. And obviously did no homework at all to find out. If he had a DIFFERENT agenda-I think he would have reached out and done this properly. Sadly, we live in a time where anyone with a computer thinks he can have a "show" and not be responsible for what comes out of his mouth. Fortunately, this guy was brought to our attention and he is being sued for slander. Unfortunately, his words are already out there for anyone to hear and judge.

Andy briefly worked with TAPS, yes, and has worked with a number of other paranormal groups and organizations as well. He has removed himself from TAPS and that association for reasons we dont discuss publically.

At the end of the day–this is a venture that involves Andy and I … all of you, and more so as we move ahead … and an incredible support team of real scientists & researchers. AND….this device and technology is being tested by others for us and validated by a few major universities, notable scientists, physicists and other labs around the world. With results that will flip the world inside out…and is redefining the universe as we knew it.

What is happening is much bigger than snippets of random info on the internet. And its being tested by scientists not paranormal investigators. Our work gets highlighted in the paranormal forums mainly at this point because thats where we've been the most public…but the majority of what we do is elsewhere, in less public circles, and much broader than what you see or find on the internet.

The technology as described in above posts  is not really what we're doing at all at this point anymore. What little is out there about the device itself was in such early stages at the time —its not even the same piece of equipment. It and the theories behind it have evolved quite far from those days, and fast. So when we do throw something out there for you to hear–its not coming from that orginal device.

We've had hundreds of interactions through the device now and have only let the public hear about 1% of all we've done. When we do post something its because we want to share some of what we're experiencing and we are just excited about it!

And yes–we need to publish whats up now. But it hasn't been the right time. It will be soon though and we're working hard to have things published that are ready. Again, what we're doing is NOT just paranormal research. Its quantum physics, metaphysics, biomed, astrophysics, cosmology…..and so on and so forth. We are connected to many diverse groups….and working on dozens of different projects and devices at the same time.

The biggest problem with this particular technology is that to understand it completely, on a deeper more meaningful level, and to know how very real it is–I think it has to be experienced and discussed in person. To witness it for yourself. Sadly there is just no way we can sit down with every human on the planet and do that. The biggest skeptics we know who have walked up and sat down out of the blue and were convinced they could rip this apart….walked away after speaking to us AND a deceased relative (that obviously being a stranger we knew nothing about) and realized– its truly "their" voice, they used words and pharses they would have chosen in life, the person knew secrets only they knew the answers too…etc. There is a lot more to it but that's the gist of it. Its real, it raw, its life changing and it shakes you physically to the core when it happens.

Its also NOT what we planned for or expected. Up until March…we were just taking the device to a purportedly "haunted" location and seeing if anyone would speak up. Unexpectedly at Black Swan Inn in Texas, someone started asking their loved ones to come through. Not just the "ghosts" attached to this location. In fact, the second person to do that spoke to her husband who was murdered–who started barking out details of what happened. It was an unsolved cold case apparently. We had law enforcement officials visit us the next night who also talked to the same man through the device in hopes to reopen his case. That has now happened several times with other cases in different areas throughout these last few months.

We think that if you have an entangled connection to someone, that link allows you to access them more easily. If I try to talk to YOUR late grandmother-its not going to happen. But if YOU try, it will work because of your connection. In theory at least. Again–this is all new to us too and we're actively trying to answer all of these and a thousand more questions.

Now, having said all that. Andy IS a quantum physicist and laser physicist and does REAL research. The reason you do not see this device on every shelf being sold for profit NOR do you see a lot of info out there about what it is or how it works….is because it is a device built for our research. NOT a toy being developed for profit to hand out to the paranormal world like everyone else seems to be doing. We are trying to be as responsible as possible with it. We are learning vast things about the world around us through its development—-not just through some of the responses we get—but mainly through our newfound understanding of what, why, how, etc.

We have run into some expected and unexpected dangers in using it, as well, including not only physical and health issues from using the device itself but from other aspects as well such as government interest to fanatical religious groups to the guy in prison that does NOT want us to hear the details of the unsolved cold case murder he was responsible for…! We are also changing the technology almost every day based on what we learned the day before. We ARE trying to do this the right way and there are some stages and details we have to keep to ourselves, for now, until we have more accurate answers.

At one point we were getting so many awesome things happening when testing it in the field it and it was being witnessed by so many people…we realized it was impossible to keep what we were learning 100% to ourselves. We felt like we needed to share at least a touch of what was happening. The problem is that we cant share ALL and with so many missing pieces to our puzzle we're not throwing down yet–it leaves too much room to imagination and sends people in too many incorrect directions on their own. We're second guessing now about whether it was too early to share any of this….but the lives that have been touched and changed by this in doing so offset that feeling a bit. 

I, in fact, like a few other audio examples we've posted…had a chance to speak to my son who died 2 years ago. He commited suicide. I had questions. That interaction has meant the world to me in way I can barely find the words to describe. My son's voice was real. There was passion and emotion in his words. It was just as important to him for me to hear what he had to say as it was for me to tell him that I loved him and was so sorry I wasnt there when he needed me the most.

Its hard to find the balance between working quietly and wanting to jump up and down and tell the whole world what is happening! It is THE most excited time to be alive, to witness history in the making… We ARE going to try to remedy the fact that not enough info is out there about this soon as we continue down this road. What we begin to officially publish in scientific forums will in and of itself put out a lot of fires. The picture is much bigger than anyone else has seen at this point.

For us, one of the greatest assets of this technology is all the other roads we've been able to travel and journey down because of knowledge gained. Its not just paranormal research! The discoveries that have unfolded before us as we are learning what, where, why and how have given us missing pieces of long running theories that made no sense before-and do now. We now have some tangible bridges from their world to ours through this allowing us to expand our work into autsim, alzheimers, seizure disorders, energy solutions….potential keys unlocking cancer mysteries …to name a few of those roads. In fact, a communication device for severe autism was developed by reversing the technolgy from the itc device- with such outstanding results it was approved for official trials and we're putting it into schools around the country. And also into hands of parents who have never communicated with their children. Like the woman who fell to the floor recently because her daughter made eye contact with her when the mom called out her name using the device—she had NEVER made eye contact with her own mother before in her entire life. That is a big deal emotionally in a meaningful relationship! Parents and children are interacting in ways never possible before. And THAT possiblity came from a ghost hunt. THAT is what fuels our research, keeps us up at night with no sleep.

Which brings me to the another aspect of ALL of this that I think people need to understand. We are self funding this research and doing what we do at no cost to anyone. Any money that has ever come our way from this for one reason or another, whether from a speaking engagement, etc, is donated. We recently did an event where tickets were sold -and proceeds benefitted a charity – but even that made us uncomfortable as we do not want anyone to confuse us with others out there in the "event" world selling tickets and cashing in on the paranormal. So we will not be doing any more "events." Our"normal" work outside all this funds the research just fine. This ISN'T powered by a need for financial gain–so we're able to do some incredible things because its the right thing to do. It IS powered by the emotion we see in others eyes when their lives change right before us and by the realization that we can all work together to solve some of the worlds problems in some very cool new ways.

I know there are a lot of charlatains out there. People wanting fame. People wanting fortune. I know there are a lot of people who do not understand what we're doing, what Andy is doing, yet, and its easy to write this off as crap or too good to be true based on many different things we've all run into in our lives. I just want to encourage you not to judge yet until we are truly at a place where more information can be revealed and discussed. And at any time you guys have questions PLEASE contact us! The easiest way to do that is through email discover@iboldlygo.com.

We do try to have round table discussions and get togethers to answer questions face to face whenever possible. If any of you are interested in learning more in that manner, let me know and/or maybe we can meet up with you for coffee or whatnot when we're in your area… or you are in ours…

Take care,

Michelle Brown

2:27 pm
October 24, 2010


Michelle Brown

Guest

I want to add a quick PS too!

We are building a lab for all of you interested in developing your own technology and to have a place to share ideas. A place full of compents and tools to work with AND equipment to test that is normally difficult to get a hold of due to expense. We hope to make that part of it a "library check out" of sorts so everyone can have an opportunity to see, experience and try things out.

We want it to be of no cost to you….with the idea that you'll return it if it was borrowed….and share what you learn from the experience whether from something borrowed- or built for yourself. And we'll be sharing our knowledge too.

More details on that soon.

One of the things we are working on right now is a better full spectrum uv video camera than the one we use. The one we use ourselves that Andy designed gets pretty cool results….BUT….cost us over 50 grand to build. So we cant just build one for anyone nor can we walk you through the process of building it yourself (in most cases) due to that expense. :-/ 

BUT….we have been working hard the last few months to find a camera that can be modified to be as close to what we use AND the bonus is that it gets better, more clear results. I think we're finally close to that reality of teaching everyone what to buy and how to modify it. We have modified 3 video cameras so far and the results have been so good that we've stopped carry the big, heavy, expensive one around at all. Plus its in HD so no more grainy weird captures.

Right now its taking a bit to modify it and its tricky…..but our goal is to get it down to a simple modification that wont take 2 weeks to do and either do the mod for you or teach you how to do it yourself. The kind of video camera we're working with costs about $500 after finding the cam and doing the mod….much better than $50,000! We dished a few of ours out to some teams a few weeks ago and are waiting to hear back from them about results from it.

I'll try to post something here about all that as it progresses…

Michelle

3:36 pm
October 24, 2010


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 3069

Michelle Brown said:

AND….this device and technology is being tested by others for us and validated by a few major universities, notable scientists, physicists and other labs around the world. With results that will flip the world inside out…and is redefining the universe as we knew it.


Don't suppose you'd care to make a few actual specifics here rather than just "major" and "notable"?

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10:30 pm
October 24, 2010


Ghaleon

Hazard, KY

Investigator

posts 176

Apart from the obvious there is a few things that would concern me about all of this. Speaking of course from what Michelle wrote. In terms of people who believe in the supernatural and ghosts and such, there is many theories that could conflict with such a said technology. For example, one of your claims is that people hear the voice of someone who was dear to them that passed on and this particular voice tells them secrets and the sort which no one else knew. I myself do some paranormal investigations and try and debunk things and the like. One of the more common beliefs you find in this field is that when you come in contact with certain voices with certain information, it can be that of a demonic entity. So if you have a person like this how do you convince them that this is what would be referred to as a "ghost" rather than being a demonic entity disguised in the voice of a loved one and told things?

I'm not saying all of your ghost hunters or paranormal investigators believe this, but from the many I have came in contact with, it is a pretty popular belief.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

1:07 am
October 25, 2010


Ghaleon

Hazard, KY

Investigator

posts 176

I just checked out Alan and Michelles youtube page and listened to the audio of the ITC sessions. Of course being a skeptic, I don't like the fact that there is no picture just audio, that is way to convenient. The voices that I hear that are supposed to be "spirits" are very weak and sound like someone who is barely awake and talks in whispers. This leads me to agree with the ventriliquist act theory. Listening to these reminds me of the old time fortune tellers who would conger up spirits who was really just some guy in the back room with a megaphone to make his voice sound other worldly. I agree with Nosfer that I want to hear who these reputable sources are. As of right now I am convinced that this is a sham and nothing more. These don't really bother me until I see someone trying to "help" someone with a dead loved one with their new gimmick, then it gets personal to me.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

4:42 am
October 25, 2010


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1147

Greetings Michelle, Welcome to the forum.

Just one question. Have you personally conducted a public ITC session using the "probe" without Andy?

OD'd on EMF

2:15 am
October 26, 2010


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1394

Michelle Brown said: "We have run into some expected and unexpected dangers in using it, as well, including not only physical and health issues from using the device itself…"

Hello and welcome to the site.  When you have time, if you could please elaborate on "expected and unexpected dangers" as well as "physical and health issues" from using the device.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

1:00 am
October 27, 2010


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 591

Hello, Michelle. Please contact me offline, either via PM or via email to stephenskepticalviewer@gmail.com, if you and/or Andy Coppock would be interested in appearing on the podcast.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

5:41 pm
October 27, 2010


Ghaleon

Hazard, KY

Investigator

posts 176

Here is an interview with Andy Coppock for those interested.

http://www.ghostvillage.com/resources/2010/30odd_02022010.shtml

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

9:59 am
October 28, 2010


Michelle Brown

Guest

Ghaleon–you are right about a lot of that and hit the nail on the head with some of the big issues we've run into. There is ABSOLUTELY a conflict brewing in many circles regarding this technology. Not only in religious circles but in our own lives full of friends, scientists and academia that tend to have quite a few people that did not believe in life after death. We can demonstrate the technology and they get the gist of why and how its possible—but that doesnt mean any of this doesnt jack with their minds and send them in many different directions while interpretting it all and what it ultimately means for them if its true. It makes some people very uncomfortable and we run into a huge adjustment period often with people. From denial, to more questions, to accepting the possibility, to eventually being comfortable & fascinated with it -excited to talk about it as they stop fighting the idea and truly examine the reality of it.

Remember that this is still new to us too. I did not believe in life after death up until 2 years ago and I am 38. I am not particualrly religious either. I have to be mindful of others who are and that can be tough sometimes for me. We ourselves went through a series of emotional responses transitioning from one line of thought to another. I've had to rethink every single thought I've ever had. Spending your whole life thinking one way is NOT an easy adjustment to make for anyone. And I suspect for many, just not going to happen no matter what.

And you know, we really were never trying to cause conflict. This is very new still and we are learning as we go along. This was a cool path—a very personal journey of our own– that we started down and once we were getting results it led us to a door that led us to another door, that led us to another, etc….and all of the sudden–bam! We are faced with this thing working well, witnessed by others…and I'll be honest with you–we struggle every day with what to do next. We want to be as responsible with it as possible and now that we know what it can do…and have a thousand questions we need to answer that have arisen from whats happened…really need to back out the public eye and keep working behind the scenes with our support team in getting the answers to those questions before doing anything else.

There are others out there working on versions of what we have that are starting to get results too. We only have a small window of time I think to work out those answers–and even work out some of those deeper moral and ethical issues before more and more people around the world have devices of their own that work somewhat like ours. No matter how responsible we try to be….the technology is out there and ability for others to make this happen is real—so it will be a part of our reality very soon no matter what. So now is the time to start having these conversations about how to deal with that new reality. Once this becomes a more mainstream part of our lives….the world will never be the same.

10:38 am
October 28, 2010


Michelle Brown

Guest

Again to Ghaleon… you're right that the audio without video is weird. Andy and I have only posted a few pieces of audio publically from months ago when device first started working well at a very small gathering of investigators in Texas. We were there to use the device to see if we could figure out what was going on from a "I think this place is haunted" aspect. It was there that a few people asked if they could test the device to speak to a loved one. We said…."um…sure. Never done that before. Lets try!" We'd only had a handful of responses from device at that point, period. Did NOT see that coming and figured there was no way it would work. But it did. Caught us all by surprise. So, yeah, we werent recording with video. Just hanging out casually and using our digital audio recorders. Figured we'd be the only ones ever hearing it.

Recording the interactions has been tough too, up until recently, because the damn device makes an obnoxious buzzing sound that just destroys audio. Its not so loud in the room, but recorders amplify it. Its probably why people in the room with us get more excited about witnessing it than anyone could ever by just listening to the audio clips. Everyone in the room can hear and when someone has been talking to "their" person they can easily recognize their voice, etc. There is no way in hell either of us or anyone can mimick all the voices of all the loved ones of total strangers. And no way in hell we're gonna know details of a life that these guys talk about amongst themselves. But again, unless you are in the same room with us there's just no good way to explain that without you witnessing for yourself. I get that.

99% of the time we use it its all been behind the scenes and private. We've only allowed a very few people to "test" it to see if they could connect with someone–those interactions were important to our work in understanding what, why and how. Most of our interactions have been very personal, for us or whomever is using it, so we are mindful not to dish out details and haven't posted any recent interactions because of it.

What we have posted is just a small example of what we hear, a slice of the big picture. My question for you is this: From an outside looking in perspective….should we unpost those examples? Is it too confusing to understand what's happening from your point of view?

Its hard for me to guage at this point–I'm living this and its my new normal, so my perception of it is different. My sense of it was that people would enjoy hearing what we get hear and have great questions to ask after listening. So far that has been the case.

We need feedback from lots of different points of view –just like everyone posting here–so we can ask the right questions when we are using the device, can foresee and discuss all the different issues that will arise …and talking about all this, constructively, helps us answer some of those thousands of questions flying around our heads now that we need to answer.

11:00 am
October 28, 2010


Michelle Brown

Guest

Hi Learjet—thank you!

The device itself has only been used in public a few times. We would take it out to various places just to see what we could do with it, test some theories. Once we started getting feedback in the form of communication as intense as we are now…we stopped taking it out to public things. Just until we understand more about whats happening, get a few solid answers we need, and can decide what to do next. We are hunkering down in "work" mode, focusing now on answering our own questions we still have, gathering more data on our own and letting some of the validiations others are doing come back to us from elsewhere.

I have used the device myself, yes, and a few others have used it to. And a couple of devices like it are being tested by outside labs.

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