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9:54 am
July 31, 2009
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Oubliette
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It was bound to happen. With TV shows like GA exploring these crumbling edifices, the locals are tempted to give it a try on their own.
Now this isn't exactly the crime of the century, but the fact is that someone can get hurt-or worse-wandering around these decrepit places. Of course, people need to respect the "No Trespassing" signs just as they should anywhere else.
What I didn't care for was some of the posts in the comment section. If someone doesn't believe in hauntings (and even in my case, I'm not sure what happened to me) then just say so without acting all smart a**, referencing drugs and such. And for the record, some of these cops will make "cute" remarks and then turn around and consult so-called psychics to help them solve cases. (They may have made those statements with an eye to discouraging others, but I doubt it.)
I had to add my two cents, of course, admitting that most current TV shows are helping create lunacy of a kind. But that's not a reason to disrespect people, even if they were caught trespassing in order to do a little ghost hunting on their own.
Rant over. Ah, I feel better now. Must be the heat. Here's the link:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/six_arrested_at_old_essex_hosp.html#preview
P.S. As an FYI my brother, who will be retiring today from his Lieutenant position at the County Sheriff's office, is a skeptic but retains an open-mindedness when it comes to hauntings and such. So I am not anti-police!
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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10:23 am
July 31, 2009
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alicat
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Oubliette,
I read about this as well a day or two ago. It's like I said on the Essex comment section awhile back where I posted several links. This place has been undergoing demolition since at least last summer. Buildings are being torn down and there are notices posted all around about no trespassing and the dangers. You are absolutely correct in your comment about television shows attributing to the increase in trespassing. I don't care how many disclaimers they put out there, these shows entice these individuals who want to mimic their "heros" and challenge authority. They want to be seen, as we used to say, as "cool" among their peers. Sadly, they are being laughed at by these same peers and then end up in legal hot water. As long as these shows are popular, there will be those that will try to emulate these shows. Frankly, if they ever actually found something, I would guarantee you they would never do it again. Once would be enough.
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10:23 am
July 31, 2009
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Sheetie Attitude
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Oubliette said:
It was bound to happen. With TV shows like GA exploring these crumbling edifices, the locals are tempted to give it a try on their own.
Now this isn't exactly the crime of the century, but the fact is that someone can get hurt-or worse-wandering around these decrepit places. Of course, people need to respect the "No Trespassing" signs just as they should anywhere else.
Abandoned building have always been an attraction to people way before GA & GH. Of course adding the current paranormal allure of TV has given a new reason to those who would otherwise have no particular interest. This set of individuals now ignore common sense and warnings of prosecution in the name of TV heros.
Everybody wants their fleeting 15 minutes of fame.
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10:26 am
July 31, 2009
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Sheetie Attitude
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Sorry my post didn't 'quote' correctly.
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10:43 am
July 31, 2009
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Oubliette
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@alicat–one does have to wonder how long it is going to take to level these dangerous buildings. Maybe after someone is seriously injured? And of course, as with most old state institutions, there is the danger of asbestos. Another reason why people need to avoid these places like the plague. And yes, if any of these actually came face-to-face with, say, an apparition or something mistaken for one, it would be a "run for the hills".
@SheetieAttitude-I agree with your post. I think most of the pre-TV paranormal craze "visitors" were teenagers bent on vandalizing and/or just seeing if they could get away with playing their little games. Now amateur ghost hunters are added in to the mix. The local police must be pretty tired of it all.
Love your ID and avatar, BTW!
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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11:20 am
July 31, 2009
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alicat
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Oubliette,
True. It has taken quite awhile but as you said, asbestos is a big concern as well as city, county and state regulations, bids, special licenses, contracts, environmental testing and planning for demolition. Having to take down all these buildings takes a great deal of time, money and care. Try taking down an old garage with asbestos. It's not as quick or inexpensive as anyone would believe. They need specialists to do it and that costs big money just for a garage and with this economy and government cut backs, especially as hard hit as New Jersey has been, there's not an easy or quick fix. This area is being turned into a playground/recreation area so I'm guessing the environmental portion is a very slow and tedious process with that many buildings on site. So, you are absolutely correct, these individuals should be very aware of these buildings. This is the case with any old building, not just state institutions.
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11:25 am
July 31, 2009
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Sheetie Attitude
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Rules for demolition of unfit structures vary state by state and by municipality. A simple solution could be to not air the show until the building in question has been officially demolished.
Of course that doesn't stop others from breaking into privately owned, less dangerous, more structurally sound facilities with the same attraction.
In the event of a serious injury, I'm sure there are some lawyers out there just waiting to make a case against the building owners, the municipality and the TV execs who sensationalize locations such as this.
It seems that TV no longer gives much thought as to what they put out there. PS doesn't seem to care much about who they may cause unecessary mental anguish in the process of creating their show. Why should any of them care about what may happen in the 'stupid idea area' of their viewership. Caveat emptor!
If you look at shows like 'America's Funniest Videos', many of those people actually subject themselves to possible severe injury or even death, just to get their video reviewed in hopes it will be shown. Who is responsible for using one iota of common sense when encouraging people to ride a bike off of a roof so that they might win $10,000?
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11:30 am
July 31, 2009
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Sheetie Attitude
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Oubliette - Nice to meet you. Thank you for the compliment on the avatar. It suits me. I see that you have decided to get a makeover. Who is that on your avatar? QE1?
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11:39 am
July 31, 2009
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Oubliette
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Sheetie Attitude said:
Oubliette - Nice to meet you. Thank you for the compliment on the avatar. It suits me. I see that you have decided to get a makeover. Who is that on your avatar? QE1?
Although I love QEI, the avatar is actually that of Elizabeth Bathory. Was writing about her in another post and decided she would make an interesting change from the usual. I get bored with the same avatars after a while.
One thing I forgot to mention–my husband used to work at Ancora Psych Hospital. It is still up and running. I believe he said there were some ghost stories attached to it. Have to ask him when he comes home. If so, then apparently a hospital doesn't have to be abandoned to have stories of hauntings and such.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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1:06 pm
July 31, 2009
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alicat
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Sheetie, I understand your comment about waiting for the building to be demolished but, if you look into this a bit further in the article/post section on this board, there are many buildings on this 90 acre site scheduled for demolition. I doubt they would ever wait for that to happen as they are cashing in on this craze now and government in NJ, as Oubliette can attest to, runs very slowly.
And yes, rules for unfit structures vary by state. The reason I offered the information was that this property is in New Jersey, where I live and have worked for an asbestos litigation attorney and in real estate and property management. I have also been involved in working along side those planning and executing the purchase of the ground and construction of the new Princeton Hospital so I do have some knowledge of the rules and regulations.
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1:30 pm
July 31, 2009
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StanTheMan
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For a little twist to this type of story – here in RI we have a series of abandoned buildings called the Ladd School. They were built in the early 1900's as a home for mentally disabled people. It was closed sometime in the late 1970's when we finally began to treat these people as people. It has been considered as haunted for as far back as I can remember, even while it was still operating. Groups of teenagers wander there constantly. A few weeks ago a group of thugs used this common knowledge and robbed some teenagers looking for ghosts on the property. The danger goes beyond natural and paranormal!
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1:57 pm
July 31, 2009
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Revenant
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StanTheMan said:
Groups of teenagers wander there constantly. A few weeks ago a group of thugs used this common knowledge and robbed some teenagers looking for ghosts on the property. The danger goes beyond natural and paranormal!
Hold on…is there evidence to prove that this "group of thugs" were not indeed of a paranormal nature? What were the EMF readings at the time? Was there a cold spot? And if they were actual corporeal beings, perhaps they were werewolves who hadn't changed yet. Was the moon full? Was blood extracted and tested? Maybe they were aliens. Were there any sightings of UFO's in the area? Perhaps there was a time slip or a rift in the time-space continuum thus exposing another reality or an alternate dimension and these beings merely took the ghost-hunting done by those teenagers as an aggressive act. It could be just a huge misunderstanding. Were the thugs actually asked if they were from another reality or an alternate dimension? Were psychics brought in to read the auras of these alleged thugs? Were dowsers brought in to verify whether or not there is a Gate to Hell close by?
You see…lets just not assume everything isn't paranormal…
Revenant
Defense Lawyer Of All Creatures And Beings (corporeal and incorporeal) Of The Paranormal
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1:59 pm
July 31, 2009
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Sheetie Attitude
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alicat said:
And yes, rules for unfit structures vary by state. The reason I offered the information was that this property is in New Jersey, where I live and have worked for an asbestos litigation attorney and in real estate and property management. I have also been involved in working along side those planning and executing the purchase of the ground and construction of the new Princeton Hospital so I do have some knowledge of the rules and regulations.
Yes, cross post.
It seems you and I may have at one time, run in some of the same circles.
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2:15 pm
July 31, 2009
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alicat
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Sheetie,
I'm happy to hear that. I've met a lot of interesting people in my career. It's good to know there are those that may have run in the same circles on this board!
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2:27 pm
July 31, 2009
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Sheetie Attitude
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alicat said:
Sheetie,
I'm happy to hear that. I've met a lot of interesting people in my career. It's good to know there are those that may have run in the same circles on this board! 
Well now! Unless you are a youngin' we may have at some time or another crossed paths…. I am Jersey born and bred. Lived one county over from Mercer for 20 years. Did my thing in RE for 18 years before retiring 7 years ago. I have since moved out of NJ but the family is still there. The husband worked in asbestos removal for over a decade, in the very early days. He happened to be with a company based in Newark, way back when.
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2:50 pm
July 31, 2009
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alicat
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Sheetie, Just PM'd you with some info.
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