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A List of the Unimpressive

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2:39 pm
July 12, 2008


Stephen

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Sometimes on the podcast or in posts I'll refer to the "List of Things that Don't Impress Stephen". I figured I would make my first stab at compiling the list and post it here.

The average Ghost Hunters episode, or similar show, dumps a truckload of "evidence" on us. To try to sort out what might be valuable evidence from the background of exciting-looking junk, it's useful to keep a list of things that are commonly shown as evidence that really aren't.

At the end, I'll address some potential objections.

Things That Don't Impress Stephen:

1. Self-closing doors
Doors have a lot of surface area– they're like wooden sails on hinges. A breeze or pressure shift can make doors slam. Worse, if a door isn't on the level, it can close on its own via gravity. Finally, a slamming door can be easy to hoax.

2. EVP
Theoretically, EVPs should be very impressive. A voice with no apparent source should be compelling evidence for the paranormal. The way that they're gathered just has too many potential pitfalls, though, for me to be swayed by EVP evidence. EVPs could be background sound, voice compression artifacts, radio interference (especially via wireless mikes), or even hoaxes. Until EVPs are gathered by high-quality, uncompressed recorders in a Faraday cage with a backup recorder to eliminate background noise and camera-monitored to make hoaxing more difficult, color me unimpressed.

3. EMF
There are many reasons for EMF readings to fluctuate. Anything below 3 milligauss is background fluctuation. Even if a reading is significant, there's no reason to think that EMF readings are in any way linked to the paranormal.

4. People falling over
We don't need ghosts to explain how people in a dark room could suddenly find themselves on the floor. People slip. Gravity works.

Now, our ghost hunting friends may tell an exciting story about how it was that they wound up on the floor, and they may not be consciously lying. Which brings us to:

5. Sincere Anecdotes

(aka "Personal Experiences")
If people were perfect observers, then the only question for us would be whether or not they were telling the truth. However, people can misperceive and misremember. Psychological and environmental factors can make us see things that aren't there and miss things that are. Finally, our ability to detect a lie is not nearly as reliable as most people believe. Anecdote can be interesting and useful, but it is not evidence by itself.

6. Orbs

The GHs dismiss them as actual ghosts, but claim that they're psychic energy.

It's a mystery to me why orbs are seen as paranormal. Orbs are supposed to glow with their own internal light, yet only show up when the camera's flash is on, or if there's another source of illumination. Until they glow on their own, they could be dust or insects near the camera caught by the flash. They could also be lens flare.

7. Clusters of other things on this list
Random events can and will cluster over time. So a door slamming, then the EMF level fluctuating, then an EVP appearing on tape, then someone falling over is just a combination of unimpressive events, and could be expected to happen by chance every once in a while. So a whole bunch of unimpressive things is still unimpressive.

Potential objections

Naturally, a list like this might not– and probably should not– go unchallenged. Here are a couple of objections I've thought of already.

Why should we care what impresses or doesn't impress you?

Since I'm not a particular authority on ghosts, the fact that something doesn't impress me may not be earth-shaking. It's not the fact that these things don't impress me that's important; it's the fact that there are normally mundane explanations. I just didn't want to call the list "Things That Shouldn't Impress Anyone", since I'm not in the business of telling people what to think.

It's hardly a skeptical attitude to dismiss an entire class of phenomena!

Agreed– and that's why this is a list of the unimpressive, not of the worthless. If a level door closed by itself in an airtight room, that would be worth investigating. In real-world situations, though, the sheer number of reasons for a door to close makes it hard to eliminate every single mundane cause. If something on this list wants to be evidence, it's got some work to do.

You can't prove that X wasn't caused by a ghost. How can you dismiss potential evidence?

To me, it's only compelling evidence if there is no apparent mundane explanation. If all of the objections are completely eliminated, great– but that means COMPLETELY eliminated. This is not a list of things that are definitely not paranormal. They're just not evidence of the paranormal until they overcome all the objections I've stated and others I haven't thought of.

How can you dismiss things without investigating them?

That's kind of the point– we've seen these things multiple times, and investigating them always turns up the same objections. Hence the list. It's a time-saver and shorthand, not a credo.

What do you find impressive?

Some of the video and FLIR evidence has been impressive enough to warrant further study– the "Black Cat" FLIR from the farmhouse window, for example. I think I presented a decent explanation of that one a few podcasts back, but it was worth some extra work to do so.

So that's my list of Things That Don't Impress Stephen. I'd welcome discussion on any of the items or suggestions for additions.

Update: Changed "Sincere Anecdotes" to "Personal Experiences". Thanks to CrowTRobot.

Further updates: Split the difference on Sincere Anecdotes. Added "Orbs".

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

4:04 pm
July 12, 2008


CrowTRobot

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posts 228

I'd like to add two:

8. Debunking

Some of their debunking is almost as weak as the 'evidence'. Most recent, at Larnach Castle, was the lady's claim of being pushed down the stairs. GHI decides she must of just slipped on one of the steps because it was a bit rounded (I think). Never mind that she's probably walked up and down those stairs hundreds of times, but felt pushed only that once.

9. Personal Experiences

I'm sorry, but seeing shadows and hearing noises while you're walking around in a dark building that you've never been in is just not impressive.

I only include this because while GH/GHI don't normally use these as evidence, they do mention them during the reveal.

I….I'm thinking.

6:29 pm
July 12, 2008


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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posts 589

#7 (Debunking) is kind of a different definition of "unimpressive", since I'm mostly concerned with what is or isn't evidence of the paranormal. The fact that they failed to debunk it effectively doesn't change whether or not the lady was pushed down the stairs. I haven't watched Larnach Castle yet, so I can't really comment on it.

Switching it around might work. Frequently they use their inability to reproduce something (like a random camera move, or a reflection that depends on precise positioning that they don't replicate) or to find something (like a person who has just run out of the hallway, and is perhaps innocently trying to stay out of their way) as evidence for the paranormal. The inability to explain something isn't evidence for anything.

#8 (Personal Experiences) is part of what I was trying to get at with #5: Sincere Anecdotes. In fact, it's a better title for it. I shall update.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

7:20 pm
July 12, 2008


Logisti

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posts 177

I dunno, "Personal Experiences" is certainly a more accepted term but I like "Sincere Anecdotes" because it drives home that no matter how much we'd like to believe someone's story, no matter how honest and credible they may be, there's no way to scientifically verify a story as accurate and there are usually many ways what the person remembers happening could, through accidents of nature, differ with the actual facts that occurred.

For the "Poor Debunking" I'd like to suggest this is a list of "evidence" that is often overstated in value, and to that extent the bad debunking fits in. It's not just that some of the debunking is inadequate; stopping there and saying, "Well, I guess we really can't be sure what happened" would be fine. The issue isn't the debunking itself but rather the increasingly common tendency some investigators have to take a severely inadequate debunk and then assert with supreme confidence that it explains what really happened.

I think these types of overstated claims (regarding debunking) are really important to take note of because they show quite clearly just how sloppy some investigators can be at times. I mean, if they can't be scientific when they're evaluating mundane facts then how can we trust them to be scientific when they're out on the "fringe" evaluating thermal footage and electromagentic fields?

9:28 pm
July 14, 2008


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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posts 589

Added "orbs".

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

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