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10:14 pm March 2, 2011
| Awaba
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1:31 am March 3, 2011
| Axel Olrik
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I wonder exactly how the question was worded?
I don't know anything about this group (ASSAP), though doubtlessly others here do; but from what I've read I like their approach and this article in particular reflects my interest in cultural influences on the interpretation of "paranormal" experiences.
http://www.assap.org/newsite/a…..lture.html
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11:34 am March 6, 2011
| Oubliette
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Actually, my visit to England quite a while ago (long before MH or
ANY such shows were on TV) confirmed to me that a large percentage of
the English (don't know about Scots, since my trip to Edinburgh was
canceled due to train strike) have no qualms about admitting to a belief
in ghosts. Now this does not mean that every one of them has seen
one. But they seem to accept that specters exist.
We own a book, "Haunted Britain", by Antony Hippisley Cox. It is a wonderful compendium
for the traveler of supposedly haunted castles, other dwellings and
even whole areas that have garnered a reputation for having strange
phenomena in general. The format is an encylopedic atlas rather than
stories and highly recommended for anyone traveling through Britain. We
even wrote the author to tell him about a ghost in Warwick Castle,
related to us by a tour guide and that did not appear in his book. He
wrote back thanking us and said he would include it in later editions.
Anyway, way back when, my discussions on the TAPS board
regarding GHI were met with derision (something I expected) when I
postulated that areas in Europe have, in effect, more layers of history
and thus a greater chance of paranormal activity. This is still my
belief–regardless of what is actually causing the perception (or
reality) of ghosts. My statement that the US cannot hold a candle to a
country like England when it comes to these "layers" of history. Thus
one would expect more sightings and thus a stronger belief in general in
apparitions. I was lambasted quite strongly. Most of this reaction I
put down to my insinuation that GHI was better than GH, which was not
what I meant. My post concerned the difference between the two
countries' pasts.
TV shows may have increased attention to the phenomenon but in my experience most Brits have had a general belief and acceptance of the paranormal way before this TV fad took off. As stated, I think their long and very dramatic past has a lot to do with it.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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8:28 am March 7, 2011
| HollyDolly
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Oubliette, I've read the same book a long time ago and it's very interesting.I think your right,Europe does have a long history of hauntings over the centuries for the reasons you stated. My late father was german, and i recall him telling some ghost stories of things that relatives had experienced in Germany and in Latvia.These were also experienced by others, not just family members, like the strange bar of light my great grandmother's family had seen near Gambach,Bavaria.Her father asked around,and learned the light had been seen for many years,and folks around there believed it to be the spirit of a girl murdered on this pathway over the hill,the site it happend at was marked by a wayside shrine or cross.This happend back in the 1870s when they saw it, but dated long before that time.The pathway was said to have been used in th eChildren's Crusade of the Middle Ages.
Your right most Brits accept ghosts more so than americans ,and lot may have to do with such a rich history,as you said.
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11:24 am March 11, 2011
| Oubliette
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I do remember the argument I had with someone on the TAPS board (a loooong time ago) about this. They didn't buy into my "layers of history" theory because he/she felt I was somehow attacking their beloved GH crew.
Also I forgot to mention that the British Isles are surrounded by water, and very turbulent ones at that. There is a theory about how this somehow increases the chances for hauntings and other phenomena. Forgot how it works, but if there is anything to that theory, it would explain a lot. IMO England is one of the most haunted countries in the world (sounds like a good title for a TV show-LOL).
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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11:52 am March 11, 2011
| Nosfer
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IF there is anything to the theory (and certainly nothing has been proven) one would also have to ask how far inland that influence goes…
Like most of these theories, someone had an idea at some point and then it gets parroted with no-one really checking much into it other than saying "there's a theory out there" (usually with a big yellow logo behind them). I suspect it had something to do with the potential conductance property of the water.
And the Klinges at one point did some experiments regarding conductivity of water (and saltwater has high SC, 50+ millimhos…not micro, but milli) and found that the SC was a factor in paranormal activity. I say that tongue-in-cheek because I think we all know how their experiments were conducted and the results misinterpreted and misapplied. If so, though, it would hold true for any coastline, not just the British Isles.
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12:03 pm March 11, 2011
| Oubliette
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Thanks, I couldn't remember just how the theory went.
There are many good reasons why the Klinge brothers show was canceled, and their bad science was certainly one of them.
Re: Britain–I'm thinking in particular of the often turbulent Channel and the North Sea in particular. Good question as to how far this influence, if it existed, would extend. But if this were true, the small isles off the Scottish/Irish coasts should be swarming with activity. I just threw it out there because my very poor memory recalled that there had been mention of the conductivity of rough waters influencing paranormal activity.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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