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Loch Ness Cannot Escape Google Earth

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12:49 am
August 27, 2009


Revenant

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Some time ago, we were discussing the MonsterQuest episode of pterosaurs in New Guinea.  Since they would roughly have the wingspan the size of a plane, Learjet said this "At that size they would be visible on the sat images used in Google Earth."  Learjet has now proven himself to be a wise and all-knowing prophet.  Apparently, a creature has made an appearance on Google Earth…

The Loch Ness Monster On Google Earth

What are we looking at in the picture?  I haven't the slightest idea…

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

6:26 am
August 27, 2009


alicat

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Revenant,

I have been interested in the Loch Ness Monster stories for quite a long time now.  In fact, the only absolutely "must see" on my first trip to Scotland was not the beautiful scenery or castles such as Edinbugh Castle or the magnificant Burrell Collection in Glasgow, the Isle of Skye or even the Whisky Trail but it was Inverness and Loch Ness.  So, when I read bascially the same article (with the same picture) in The Sun yesterday, I was somewhat excited.  Then I looked at the picture and was very disappointed.  It took me a minute or so to put my finger on it and I went back to really "look" at the picture.  It was then I realized what should have been so obvious to me at first glance.  There is absolutely no way this picture was of anything other than a boat on the Loch.  Why?  That clear an image would be virtually impossible to obtain given that the waters of the Loch are so murky from the peat and debris that has flowed from the hills for centuries.  Being a boater myself and having taken a water tour of the Loch, I found you could barely see your hand 4-6" below the surface.  That, added to the shape of this object, which if anything looks like a mutant giant squid, made it clear to me that is merely a boat trolling the surface of the Loch.  After I read your article from the Telegraph, I glanced to the additional stories and there was a story about it possibly being a boat that gives regular tours of the Loch which absolutely makes perfect sense to me.  (Also, take a look at the monster snake of Borneo which was proved to be a fake and you can see photo similarities.)

6:46 am
August 27, 2009


Nosfer

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I agree…I'm just matrixing but the first thing I said when I saw it was octopus (or squid…I went with octopus because of the bulbousity of the head, there, another new word for the English Language!)

Okay, looked again, I can easily get squid out of that, the bulbousity is less pronounced that I thought. Nice square line at the tail end of the "head" though, separating it from the tentacles, or rather, wake of the boat…which is all it is.

Here, I also found a giant tadpole in the loch:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=57.168924,-4.631242&spn=0.001448,0.006866&t=h&z=18

And a big snake:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=57.338257,-4.393909&spn=0.001442,0.006866&t=h&z=18

And the original boat, er monster:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=57.214366,-4.56991&spn=0.001447,0.006866&t=h&z=18

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7:43 am
August 27, 2009


alicat

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Thanks Nosfer.  Also, with the boat photo, lot's of boats trawling have equipment off the stern which could possibly have been seen as well as a wake.  There are many boats on the Loch that are not tourist or pleasure boats that are out "searching" for Nessie from time to time.  We have no idea if this was the case but it's quite possible, if not a tourist or a working trawler, etc. that it was not one of those boats with search equipment on board.

11:50 am
August 27, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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I don't matrix very well. I saw a boat before I saw a squid.

OD'd on EMF

11:59 am
August 27, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

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Although now I can see it as a boat, I thought at first it looked like a Humboldt Squid–an impossibility in Loch Ness!  So initially I saw what Nosfer did.

That it is a boat with a wake behind as it cuts through the water is now obvious once one looks more closely at it.  Good catch, though.

Now onto the nuclear subs on Google that can be seen docked in Russian harbors….

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

12:51 pm
August 27, 2009


Revenant

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Nosfer said:

I agree…I'm just matrixing but the first thing I said when I saw it was octopus (or squid…I went with octopus because of the bulbousity of the head, there, another new word for the English Language!)


"Bulbousity."  Nice.  Making up words is a key component to becoming a great cryptozoologist.  Nosfer…finally…welcome to the club.  As a new member of the RCS (Revenant's Cryptozoological Society), you will be receiving a really cool safari hat, a couple of motion camera traps, a plaster-casting kit, and a clip of silver bullets.  Also included will be an autographed copy of my new book; "How To Get Away With Being A Cryptozoologist And Live To Tell The Tale," on how not to collect viable evidence and how to write rich and enduring stories about it.  Look for it in the mail! 

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12:54 pm
August 27, 2009


Nosfer

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Revenant said:

"Bulbousity."  Nice.  Making up words is a key component to becoming a great cryptozoologist.  Nosfer…finally…welcome to the club.  As a new member of Revenant's Cryptozoological Society, you will be receiving a really cool safari hat, a couple of motion camera traps, a plaster-casting kit, and a clip of silver bullets.  Also included will be an autographed copy of my new book; "How To Get Away With Being A Cryptozoologist And Live To Tell The Tale," on how not to collect viable evidence and how to write rich and enduring stories about it.  Look for it in the mail! 


ALRIGHT!!! Resume updating time! I'll get you a list of calibers for those silver bullets and I'm ready to begin!

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3:41 pm
August 27, 2009


Nosfer

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I've meant to post this a few times but keep getting sidetracked for some reason:

Researcher Adrian Shine, of the Loch Ness Project, told the newspaper: "This is really intriguing. It needs further study."

Really? Forget Loch Ness, we may have proof of Extra-Terrestrials (note I did not say Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) How, you ask…simple: I ask in all seriousness "What planet is this Mr Shine really from that he would make such a ridiculous statement?"

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3:56 pm
August 27, 2009


alicat

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Absolutely Nosfer.  I think he's stuck in the museum trying to figure out how to spin this latest press since they have been crying there hasn't been a "sighting" in over a year.  Of course, it's global warning that killed Nessie or so they are claiming now.  Either that or he's standing near the Nessie sculpture in the little pond they built having his picture taken.  It is so disappointing to visit the Project Centre/Museum and see the crass commercialization this has spawned.  Ugh!

9:55 pm
August 27, 2009


Revenant

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alicat said:

…since they have been crying there hasn't been a "sighting" in over a year.  Of course, it's global warning that killed Nessie or so they are claiming now. 


Actually, that's my favorite part of the whole thing.  Here's the direct quote from the piece:

"Earlier this year it was reported that climate change may have killed the Loch Ness Monster. There have been "no "credible sightings" of Nessie for over a year.  Veteran American monster hunter Bob Rines thinks environmental conditions in the Highland loch have changed and can no longer sustain the elusive reptile."

So…no viable evidence to support the claim of the monster has been produced throughout the years.  And now, that the monster (which again, has never been proven to exist in the first place) has not been seen for a year (and since it has not been proven to exist, the likelihood of seeing something that probably doesn't exist is rather dim) the story now becomes that the monster is dead.  And because the monster is dead, no evidence shall ever be found but the stories may live on for eternity.  Nice… 

To better illustrate it…lets view it another way:

There has been an evil gnome living in my basement for years.  Every year, my basement floods and the evil gnome just swims around.  I have a few grainy photographs to prove it.  Although, well…some of them have proven to be fake.  Anyway, beyond that, as for other evidence of the evil gnome, well…I did some sonar work.  I got a couple of hits showing blobs.  So there's that.  And a bunch of other people have claimed to see him too.  Or…they saw something that resembled an evil gnome.  But I haven't seen him in over a year now so I think he's dead.  I did change my fabric softener around that time and since the dryer is in the basement, that's what may have killed him.  So now we'll never find any evidence of the evil gnome in my basement, but trust me…all the stories that you heard about him were true.

So, my question is…why is the story of the Loch Ness Monster viable and believable yet the story of my evil gnome isn't?  What is truly the difference?  I can fake photo's.  I can make blobs show up on any model of radar that you can come up with.  As for eye-witness testimony…can most people say for sure what they are seeing in a body of water from a distance?

For the record, I want the Loch Ness Monster to exist.  Nothing would be cooler.  Yet, nothing that I've seen even remotely proves to me that the monster does indeed exist.  And then to hear the "oh, we can't find it so it must be dead" theory is just…*shakes his head*…so incredibly weak, it's mind-boggling… Undecided  

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

5:29 am
August 28, 2009


alicat

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I agree.  I also wonder about using the word "monster" as in Loch Ness Monster and "evil" as in evil gnome.  How do we really know one is a monster and one is evil?  Did the "monster" kill anyone, cause havoc or damage a location?  No, it was just something that was seen that no one could identify and, back in 1933 when it gained worldwide attention, it was called a sea serpent, dragon and a monster fish but then finally dubbed the Loch Ness Monster.  And, since the gnome may or may not have been in your basement, I guess we'll have to take your word that the gnome was evil.  It could actually have been a very sweet garden gnome you forgot to put out in the spring that was having issues with you keeping him in a dark basement relegated to live with a washer and dryer and who knows what else. Laughing

I guess to answer your question about why Nessie is more viable than the gnome is because it's history can be traced back to the writing of sightings as far back as 565 a.d.  The gnome, not so much.

As I have said in the past and I'll say it again, I really would love for Nessie to exist.  I wouldn't have taken a portion of my trip to travel to Inverness if I didn't.  I don't regret I made the trip as it's a beautiful country and I loved the people and it's incredible history.  However, Inverness was a once in a lifetime excursion for now as I'm afraid unless something comes up that is a lot more substantial, I'll be sightseeing in other parts of Scotland.

1:49 am
August 30, 2009


Revenant

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alicat said:

I guess to answer your question about why Nessie is more viable than the gnome is because it's history can be traced back to the writing of sightings as far back as 565 a.d.  The gnome, not so much.


I was at Skepticblog the other night and was reading a book review written by Michael Shermer.  The book is called "Confessions of an Alien Hunter" by Seth Shostak.  Here's the link:

http://skepticblog.org/2009/08/25/how-to-talk-to-a-ufologist/

Shermer writes the following paragraph about UFO's, but I believe that the concept can also apply to "Nessie."  He wrote "UFOlogists claim that they have tens of thousands of UFO sightings, as if this is a good thing, but Shostak notes that this actually argues against UFOs being ET, because to date not one of these tens of thousands of sightings has materialized into concrete evidence that UFOs = ETIs. It’s counterintuitive, but more sightings equals less certainty because with so many saucers zipping around we would have captured one by now, and we haven’t."

Tons of sightings of Nessie…yet, never a shred of physical evidence.  More sightings equalling less certainty is definitely counterintuitive, but if you think about it…it does make sense…

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

5:16 am
August 30, 2009


alicat

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Revenant,

Yes, I agree with that comment.  Basically, that's the same argument that's been made since Nessie became a global "celebrity" of sorts in 1933.  I guess where I was going on this was the fact that I don't think people have been writing about sightings of evil garden gnomes since then.  But, then again, I could be wrong. Wink

10:15 am
November 14, 2009


ParaGlitter

France

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"The image, which can be seen on the satellite mapping program, depicts a large object resembling a sea creature clearly visible beneath the surface of the water."

Well, it's clearly not clear… because the big quid shaped object is certainly a boat.

However, I think the object in question might actually be the blur on the left side of the image, which seems to be under the water. IMO, it's waves, or maybe some branches in the water.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." – Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 5

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