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12:07 pm
November 30, 2011
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Nosfer
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In this last episode of the second half season, Bill, Devin, and Lanisha are off to a bar in Humble, Texas, to check out surveillance video of an ashtray exploding, indicating poltergeist activity.
Ben, Austin, and Jael head to Calacoaya in Mexico to investigate a flying witch (cause they've never done a flying witch in Mexico before…oh, wait…) associated with local caves. I've found a few videos of other investigations but nothing yet as far as showing any flying witches similar to what they investigate. Their video is a classic 1-2 second clip of something that could be a dark cloth being yanked upward…a perfect thing for Austin to try to mimic.
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2:45 pm
November 30, 2011
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Oh how I long for the days of MonsterQuest…..
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4:30 pm
November 30, 2011
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Patrick said:
Oh how I long for the days of MonsterQuest…..
I hate to say it but MonsterQuest is starting to look like a show that had its act together (at least in a relative sense)
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10:45 am
December 1, 2011
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Yep, that was my point. It looked way better in comparison. At this point, I would almost take back UFO Hunters…..
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9:58 am
December 2, 2011
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Am I the only person who is concerned that they are exploding glass without bothering to put up a screen of safety glass?
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1:01 pm
December 2, 2011
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I wasn't too concerned, I thought it might give Lanisha an interesting story to tell when she had to go back to the Situation Room by herself.
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8:18 pm
December 2, 2011
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Post edited 8:20 pm – December 2, 2011 by Learjet
They should forget trying to recreate anything and just do night investigations, since they are what mainly influences their decisions.
"The video was faked but the place really is haunted because stuff happened during our night investigation".
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8:23 pm
December 2, 2011
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That is quite true. Would save us the pain of having to watch these deplorable recreations. I don't know about anyone else, but I am quite certain that, in the original video, I did not see anyone with a propane torch.
I did, however, think the Owl was a real close match  That one was about as bad as even thinking it was a dugong in the Mermaid episode. Where is Evan when you need him lol
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9:19 pm
December 2, 2011
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I wanted a night time investigation for witchy. 
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8:45 am
December 6, 2011
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Post edited 8:46 am – December 6, 2011 by Skooter
This show just annoys me more every episode. Its the same thing, the first try is always the most ridiculous thing they can come up with. A blow torch? Really? Why not just take a hammer and smash it, its just as likely as someone walking up with a blow torch but it would be much quicker. And an owl tie to a string? If that video shows an owl flying into the air, I need to question what is reality.
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In 3……2……1……!!!!
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9:44 pm
December 7, 2011
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elwyn5150 said:
Am I the only person who is concerned that they are exploding glass without bothering to put up a screen of safety glass?
There was safety glass, three special effects engineers and alot of stuff you don't see on film.
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1:16 am
December 8, 2011
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Skooter said:
This show just annoys me more every episode. Its the same thing, the first try is always the most ridiculous thing they can come up with. A blow torch? Really? Why not just take a hammer and smash it, its just as likely as someone walking up with a blow torch but it would be much quicker. And an owl tie to a string? If that video shows an owl flying into the air, I need to question what is reality.
The propane torch was to test theramal shock, a hammer does not have the same results , anything you can think of we are one step ahead. Try hitting a bar ash tray with a hammer and you will see what I mean. It takes months to test all this it's not just on the spot testing (it is T.V). The whole point of the tests is the rule out the ridiculous and get down to what really happened and I think the show does just that.
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9:54 am
December 8, 2011
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Why must the "ridiculous" be ruled out? Why not, in the few minutes "you" have, concentrate on some ideas that might actually be plausible? But, then, why bother to recreate it since that doesn't prove anything in the first place. If there is indeed paranormal activity, could it not look exactly like something you could rig up with a string or zipline?
Since you are inferring that you are related to the show, tell me, have these people purchased a map of Great Britain yet? Have you sent Bill to GPS-reading school yet? Has Ben gone to his local bookstore to get a copy of the Golden Guide to Spiders and their Kin? Tell me how you are "one step ahead" of those three particularly egregious flaws?
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2:00 am
December 9, 2011
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Nosfer said:
Why must the "ridiculous" be ruled out? Why not, in the few minutes "you" have, concentrate on some ideas that might actually be plausible? But, then, why bother to recreate it since that doesn't prove anything in the first place. If there is indeed paranormal activity, could it not look exactly like something you could rig up with a string or zipline?
Since you are inferring that you are related to the show, tell me, have these people purchased a map of Great Britain yet? Have you sent Bill to GPS-reading school yet? Has Ben gone to his local bookstore to get a copy of the Golden Guide to Spiders and their Kin? Tell me how you are "one step ahead" of those three particularly egregious flaws?
And which three egregious flaws are you referring to? The show is based on tests has everybody knows, I know only one test will work and so do you. You have to start at one point and work up, yes the tests should be more inline with the cases, I have nothing to do with that. As to being "one step ahead" well thats my job, 32 years in special effects. And I am a skeptic when it comes to paranormal activty thats why I look at it has a effect.
Has for the cast well you would need to ask them.
Love it or hate it the show gets great ratings, and people talk about it. And I don't think its going away any time soon.
Thank you for your questions Nosfer
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1:57 pm
December 9, 2011
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I'm not sure what you mean by "only one test will work" Do you mean that there can only be one answer to what is seen in a particular video?
The three flaws I refer to were what my questions were about.
The three episodes my questions refer to are:
Predator (Beast of Dartmoor), Sasquatch Sprint, and The Caretaker, in that order. The flaws being that they went to the wrong place, ie, they did not go to where the video was shot for the Dartmoor episode. In Sasquatch Sprint, Bill gives impossible coordinates from the GPS, not to mention that his FLIR reveals only Austin and Chi-Lan…and there was a cameraman right behind him but apparently he had no body heat as he did not show up for some reason.
And the classic one is The Caretaker. Having Austing riding an ATV through a cemetery in hopes of recreating what is simply a spider in its web? And the "debunk attempts" just went downhilll from there. Worse was after the show aired and Ben tried to defend their actions and denied that what we were seeing was spider when it was, in fact, 100%, undeniably a spider. I suppose it could have been the ghost of a spider, though…
There are others, but these three stand out there quite well.
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12:40 am
December 10, 2011
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Nosfer said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "only one test will work" Do you mean that there can only be one answer to what is seen in a particular video?
The three flaws I refer to were what my questions were about.
The three episodes my questions refer to are:
Predator (Beast of Dartmoor), Sasquatch Sprint, and The Caretaker, in that order. The flaws being that they went to the wrong place, ie, they did not go to where the video was shot for the Dartmoor episode. In Sasquatch Sprint, Bill gives impossible coordinates from the GPS, not to mention that his FLIR reveals only Austin and Chi-Lan…and there was a cameraman right behind him but apparently he had no body heat as he did not show up for some reason.
And the classic one is The Caretaker. Having Austing riding an ATV through a cemetery in hopes of recreating what is simply a spider in its web? And the "debunk attempts" just went downhilll from there. Worse was after the show aired and Ben tried to defend their actions and denied that what we were seeing was spider when it was, in fact, 100%, undeniably a spider. I suppose it could have been the ghost of a spider, though…
There are others, but these three stand out there quite well.
I there away I can contact you a away from this site?
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12:42 am
December 10, 2011
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ok lets try this again, is there a way I can contact you away from this site?
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11:55 am
December 10, 2011
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I prefer discussions in the forums so that everyone can benefit. I think that most people here are interested in the inner workings and thought processes that go on in the show(s), and it's always good when someone who can shed some light on things adds to the discussion.
Especially when you have things like the three that I mention. Such things really hurt the credibility of the show. Especially things so blatantly obvious as a spider. I honestly thought that there was going to be a "twist" to the episode but there wasn't…and then when he issued the statement afterward it was mind-boggling.
I know that when there are only 20 minutes (after commercials) that only so much can be shown and there are thus things that get dropped that would help the continuity of the show…but the three that I mention cannot be explained by that which is very curious.
It is often not the experiments, themselves, that are the problem, it's how they are incorporated into the show. Showing the effects of thermal expansion, no problem…maybe even go a step further and show how it operates in flashlights…but using a torch to show a possible method for why the ashtray broke was a bit far given the limited amount of time. Just like the dugong and owl.
Likewise the experiments in the cemetery were interesting, but given the circumstances… The experiments in Sasquatch Sprint weren't bad, but the overall conclusions just made me cringe. Is the show really about the videos or is it a vehicle for the team to do their own investigations?
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4:42 pm
December 10, 2011
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You could use the personal message system Pyro to talk to Nosfer privately without the rest of us looking on but I think you have to register first.
One thing that would benefit the show's credibility would be an "update" segment, if new evidence came to light over an old episode after an incorrect Fact or Faked conclusion, like with the spider in the Caretaker episode.
Mythbusters are not afraid to re-examine evidence and admit they sometimes get it wrong. Why should Fact or Faked be above this?
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