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S02E02: Thermal Theater Ghost; Fire in the Sky (30-Mar-2011, 10pm E)

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11:47 am
March 28, 2011


Nosfer

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This week Ben, Jael, and Devin supposedly go to El Paso, TX, to check out some more mysterious lights in the sky. 'Cause they've never done one like this before. This was the same team-makeup done last week which is interesting given that things were broken up a bit more last year. Maybe they ARE trying to keep Devin and Chi-Lan apart. Bill must be torn having to choose between a UFO story and a Ghost story each week.

The lights they investigate were seen 16 October 2010 and coincide with at least one other sighting two days prior in Manhattan. Here is the news story covering the lights in El Paso. It is this video that they will investigate.  They will conclude that the newscaster is fake but the lights are real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..G6sQUuZouw

The Manhattan formation can be seen by viewing the video on this page:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..7279.shtml

Meanwhile, Bill, Chi-Lan, and the inhuman Austin continue even farther east, supposedly, all the way to Jacksonville, FL, to investigate a haunted theater. I think we can all see this one playing out. They will recreate the footage seen, but as we know, that doesn't mean "they can't rule out the fact that something paranormal might not still be taking place in the theater." So the trio will hold their own ghost hunt, much to Chi-Lan's joy (picture lots of hand-clapping from her as they decide to do this)

A few inconclusive EVPs will be recorded and the team will return to their studio at the exact same time as last week and proclaim that there is something going on there that they don't fully understand. Course, given this bunch, that wouldn't take a whole lot.

I'm not certain on the video, the title of "thermal" is complicating things, but this one matches all the criteria of a ghostly figure sitting in a balcony. It is possible they are unfamiliar with what "thermal" means, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..zqi-Bdoxw8

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2:17 pm
March 30, 2011


Ghaleon

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No doubt no matter what they call on the video of the haunted theater they will still do a ghost hunt. It's like an unwritten rule on this show, even if you debunk the video, still do a ghost hunt to make sure that something isn't there. But where are they getting the name "Thermal Theater Ghost" from?

 

OT: Since you mentioned Bill I thought I would share a funny story. My brother works at a car dealership and a few months back they hired this guy that, as it turns out, is a cousin to Bill. Bill has actually stopped in to visit him twice since he has started working there and this cousin told my brother that Bill is STILL to this day obsessed with the polaroid ghost writing. He still believes its real and still goes on and on about it.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

2:39 pm
March 30, 2011


Nosfer

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Ghaleon said:

But where are they getting the name "Thermal Theater Ghost" from?


 

That's got me puzzled still.  I am pretty sure this is the video they are referring to but there is always a chance I'm mistooken.  Another possibility is that there was also thermal footage shot of it and I haven't found it yet.  My favorite explanation is that they don't know the difference between Thermal and IR lol  The other possibility is that THEY (FoF) bring a thermal cam and actually catch something.

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2:51 pm
March 30, 2011


Nosfer

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Yes, it appears that the last possibility that I gave is the explanation.  Not to spoil too much of the episode (hey, we all know what is coming) they capture a "shocking heat signature" that then will cause two things.  One is that they will decide then and there to do a ghost hunt of their own.  The second is that you will hear what first sounds like a standing ovation but which is later revealed to just be Chi-Lan.

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9:32 pm
March 30, 2011


Nosfer

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Well looks like I was a bit out of order on the thermal vs starting the hunt, but I guess it still explains the title.

Now, for the disappearing thermal image…pretty easy.  Notice that it disappears when Bill or Chi-Lan walks into each scene.  The thermal is set on autoranging.  The temperature shown is in the yellows when the thermal is first seen.  When either Bill or Chi-Lan moves into each scene, they are much warmer and the whole scene color shifts.  The hot spot was originally only slightly warmer compared to the chairs and is not distinguishable when you have a larger range of temperatures shown owing to having Bill or Chi-Lan in the scene.  Nice that they don't show any specifics of the temperatures or anything.

INTENSE heat signatures?  Okay…

Lightbox-arm waving…you got to be kidding me.

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5:03 pm
March 31, 2011


Skooter

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I feel stupider for watching that whole episode…here are my palm to face moments in chronological order

UFO half:

1. Three lights standing still in NY are similar to a huge ball 

f light falling from the sky with tails which then splits into 3 balls of lights with tails which then forms into a triangle? Really?

2. Why are they even bother to experiment with balloons when it was obvious balloons aren't going to fall from the sky with a light trail and then hover…they even said at the reveal "we tried to use balloons to replicate"…such a stupid experiment, at least they are using high tech equipment (toilet paper roll)

3. Why did they dismiss the rocket so quick? It actually looked halfway decent, I was halfway through my wow thats actually possible, when they completely dismissed it right away for no reason what so ever. They said it "fell to quick"? What were they talking about? How can you tell the velocity of something when there is no back drop and its only pitch black background? I later came to the conclusion that they knew a head of time what the cause was. 

4. If a simple phone call solved the whole mystery why on earth would you waste the whole time to even go out there and do it. Shouldn't that be a pretrip item to check off first? Why repeat it and scare the smart people of el paso????

Light box ghost:

1. Why did I watch this whole half of the episode?

2. If you want to see if something is fact or faked why do you do two of the worst experiments in history and just stop to do a investigation?

3. What was with the waving in their experiments? Did I miss the waving in the original?

4. A light box that "looks close"? It wasn't within a mile of the footage. That experiment made no sense at all to even attempt. How much stupider can we get, oh I know, lets stop the 'experiments' there. Nice B roll footage of them building that brilliant silloutte and light box

5. The thermals Nosfer covered pretty well and it was really obvious when they vanished after someone stepped in the way. 

Idk how much worse this show can get but I look forward to it, maybe next week we can get the puppet alien on after some heavy research is done on it

In 3……2……1……!!!!

3:37 am
April 1, 2011


TheBlackLyon

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1. Three lights standing still in NY are similar to a huge ball 

f light falling from the sky with tails which then splits into 3 balls of lights with tails which then forms into a triangle? Really?

2. Why are they even bother to experiment with balloons when it was obvious balloons aren't going to fall from the sky with a light trail and then hover…they even said at the reveal "we tried to use balloons to replicate"…such a stupid experiment, at least they are using high tech equipment (toilet paper roll)

3. Why did they dismiss the rocket so quick? It actually looked halfway decent, I was halfway through my wow thats actually possible, when they completely dismissed it right away for no reason what so ever. They said it "fell to quick"? What were they talking about? How can you tell the velocity of something when there is no back drop and its only pitch black background? I later came to the conclusion that they knew a head of time what the cause was. 

4. If a simple phone call solved the whole mystery why on earth would you waste the whole time to even go out there and do it. Shouldn't that be a pretrip item to check off first? Why repeat it and scare the smart people of el paso????

1. The only commonality the two videos shared was that each one had a set of three orb like objects positioned in a triangle like formation in the sky, and even then the angles of the two triangles were significantly different. Other than that thin link the two videos were like night and day (literally).

2. The balloons bobbed and weaved too much, so they dismissed them as a possible culprit in the El Paso video. Then they turn around and endorse the balloons as a close replica of the objects in the New York video! What the hell? The objects in El Paso at least moved in the sky. The three objects in the New York video were completely stationary!!

3. I'll go one step further and say that I thought the rockets were an almost identical replication of what was shown in the video.

4. They did this last season as well.

8:49 am
April 1, 2011


Skooter

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Post edited 9:15 am – April 1, 2011 by Nosfer


TheBlackLyon said:

2. The balloons bobbed and weaved too much, so they dismissed them as a possible culprit in the El Paso video. Then they turn around and endorse the balloons as a close replica of the objects in the New York video! What the hell? The objects in El Paso at least moved in the sky. The three objects in the New York video were completely stationary!!

3. I'll go one step further and say that I thought the rockets were an almost identical replication of what was shown in the video.

4. They did this last season as well.


 

The balloons were just moronic. I don't know what they were trying to prove…how could three balloons fall out of the sky at a rapid pase and THEN hover. It was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. As you said the rocket was pretty good but they gave some BS reason and just moved right to what they already knew to be the answer.

4. I recall that being the case for something they could have done in the pushing your car up a hill onto train tracks episode. I really find it pointless to waste all this time, money, and energy for something that a phone call could accomplish, or even a simple google search.

 

Edited: Just for space sake, trimmed out a lot of the original quote that wasn't applicable.  –Nosfer

In 3……2……1……!!!!

9:18 am
April 1, 2011


Nosfer

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How do three balloons fall out of the sky at a rapid pace and then just hover?  Well, assuming it's done deliberately, it's quite easy.  Reel them down really fast and then stop, keeping the line taut so as to maintain altitude.

Funny how they blurred the parachute footage but didn't blur the rocket footage…which would have made it just as similar to the original.

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11:00 am
April 1, 2011


Skooter

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Well I meant using their experiment not in general, I am sure it could be accomplished in some manner but I don't know what the point of the way they did it was. They are trying to find out how it was done and the what they were doing was impossible to show what the original looked like. They didn't attach flairs to the balloon they just let three lights hover and completely disgregarded most of the video except seperating the ballons from one to three. It was just one of the dumbest thing I have ever witnessed.

In 3……2……1……!!!!

11:49 am
April 1, 2011


TheBlackLyon

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4. I recall that being the case for something they could have done in the pushing your car up a hill onto train tracks episode. I really find it pointless to waste all this time, money, and energy for something that a phone call could accomplish, or even a simple google search.

 

Edited: Just for space sake, trimmed out a lot of the original quote that wasn't applicable.  –Nosfer


 

I was referring to was S01E02 episode with the Lake Havasu UFO. At the end of the investigation Ben informs the team that he placed a call to a park ranger near where the footage was taken. The ranger confirmed that on the day in question he spotted some folks flying a UFO shaped balloon in a nearby parking lot.

I didn't even think about the train tracks episode. Forget phone calls, that one could have easily have been solved with a simple search of Google. 

 

12:30 pm
April 1, 2011


Axel Olrik

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I remember reading fairly recently in one of the popular science magazines (Scientific American, Popular Science?)  that it was highly likely that many recent UFO sitings are trials of new military anti-missle flares.  Instead of just releasing them in a cloud or stream, like chaff, the newest ones are under radio control and can be made to hover, change directions and blink off. 

This is the traditional form:

 

12:42 pm
April 1, 2011


Nosfer

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That's why I was rather surprised they didn't fall back on their "old reliable" method which was to ascribe it to some sort of RC plane or helicopter. 

Those of you who think they were remiss or stupid for not checking into the parachute possibility BEFORE going down there, rest assured, there's probably a 90% chance that they DID which is why they were able to debunk it.

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1:26 pm
April 1, 2011


Skooter

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Exactly, I am pretty sure they knew before they went down there and decided to go anyway so they can show off their skills. Lets be honest there is about a 0.5% chance that they came up with the sky diving experiement on their own. Hence the reason for their stupid balloon experiment, which was done with a budget of about $10, and the Rocket that if produced right, could be a dead on match, but was quickly tossed out for no reasonable reason. Can we at least make up a good reason to toss it. They showed the side by side the first time and it was a great match, then they said something about it falling too fast? The parachutes deployed and they just hovered there perfectly. I still can't fathom why they chose THAT as the reason to debunk it.

 

How about "You know guys, this looks exactly like the original video. Only problem is we already know what the answer is so lets do a cool exact match of the video with what actually happened since we knew coming down here what really happened. Ok great…3….2….1…!!!!"

In 3……2……1……!!!!

9:20 pm
April 1, 2011


TheBlackLyon

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Nosfer said:

That's why I was rather surprised they didn't fall back on their "old reliable" method which was to ascribe it to some sort of RC plane or helicopter. 

Those of you who think they were remiss or stupid for not checking into the parachute possibility BEFORE going down there, rest assured, there's probably a 90% chance that they DID which is why they were able to debunk it.


Oh, I don't think they are stupid enough to do something like that. Whomever is in charge of the vetting process for the videos will have made all necessary phone calls long before production boards a plane. With that said, I do contend someone is dropping the ball in the editing department. With the way it is presented on television, viewers are left with the distinct impression that the phone calls were made after the fact.

And have you checked your pms lately Nosfer?

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