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S02E01: The Real Battle of LA/Queen Mary Menace (23-Mar-2011, 10pm E)

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5:33 am
March 27, 2011


Learjet

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Post edited 5:33 am – March 27, 2011 by Learjet


LoL.  <– pun intended. 

OD'd on EMF

10:07 am
March 27, 2011


CEM@ALO

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TheBlackLyon said:

I've got so many problems with this episode that I almost don't know where to start.

I guess I should start of with questioning the premise of the show. I thought the entire point of the show was to get a team of "experts" together to try and duplicate media presented as evidence of the paranormal as determine whether it was fact or faked.

In the case of the Battle of Los Angeles there is no dispute in the authenticity of the photo presented. The photo is real, as are the events as described in the show. So what are they trying to prove? That it was a U.F.O.? Again, that is not in dispute. The report issued from the Office of the Air Force in 1983 that Ben mentions never stated with certainty that the culprit was a weather balloon, just that all evidence pointed to one as the likely cause of the incident.

As for the experiment itself, all credibility it might have had was tossed out the window the moment they decided to use a similiar, not identical, searchlight to those in operation that night back in '42. You can clearly see that the searchlights they used cast narrower and brighter beams.

I also call into question the impartiality of this experiment as presented to home viewers, as no mention is made of the Bombardment of Ellwood that occurred just 24 hours prior to this event. I would think viewers would like to know that a Japanese submarine did launch an attack on coastal targets near Santa Barbara, CA just 24 hours prior to this event. That information would help provide insight into the state of mind of the general populace of L.A., not to mention the members of our armed forces, had on the night of the event in question. With a coastal attack occurring mere miles away just a day prior, is it any real surprise that some people may have had itchy trigger fingers?

As far as the Queen Mary Menace, again I'll ask what is the show's purpose? The team provided an explanation within a matter of minutes on air that the alleged ghost video was more than likely a Pepper's Ghost illusion. Why go through the trouble of doing an overnight "paranormal investigation" of the entire Queen Mary? Let's say for arguments sake that the team did manage to capture some type of evidence during the course of their investigation which provided beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Queen Mary was haunted. That still wouldn't help prove or disprove a thing about that video.

I'm betting that all television companies filming aboard the Queen Mary have to agree to a clause in the contract which states no public comments can be made that might diminish the reputation of the ship as a paranormal hotspot.  

Ok. No more ranting from me tonight. I just like to conclude this post by saying hi to everyone here, and stating that I have been an avid lurker on this site for over a year now. I finally just gave in to the urge to join the discussions.

 

 

 


Do an image search for unretouched photo of the battle of L.A.
 

10:11 am
March 27, 2011


Nosfer

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Learjet said:

LoL.  <– pun intended. 


 

Pun appreciated Laugh

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12:05 pm
March 27, 2011


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CEM@ALO said:

Do an image search for unretouched photo of the battle of L.A.

 


 

Perhaps post some links to before and after versions of the photos and discuss some of the differences.

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12:44 pm
March 27, 2011


CEM@ALO

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http://forgetomori.com/2011/uf…..d-version/

Hope this helps, this is one of many sources.

4:35 pm
March 27, 2011


TheBlackLyon

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CEM@ALO said:

http://forgetomori.com/2011/uf…..d-version/

Hope this helps, this is one of many sources.


Thank you for posting the link. I have now looked at both the original, and the retouched version of the photo. It is evident that several beams of light were made brighter, and one beam was made slightly wider. I argue though that this has little bearing on my original argument. Even compared to the original photo, the searchlights used by the crew of FoF appear, at least to me, to cast narrower and brighter beams of light.

 

5:18 pm
March 27, 2011


CEM@ALO

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You are very welcome, and I agree that the throw characteristics  of the  new spots differ from the original.Howerver more to my point ,these "investigators" based their investigation on altered evidence.

8:44 pm
March 27, 2011


Learjet

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Has anyone considered clouds? FoF didn't take clouds into the equation, just smoke from the shelling. If the searchlights happen to converge on a cloudy spot then I can see how that effect might happen if lit in just the right way.

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9:31 pm
March 27, 2011


Axel Olrik

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Especially if it were a lenticular cloud…has anyone posted the weather conditions that night?

12:04 am
March 28, 2011


TheBlackLyon

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CEM@ALO said:

You are very welcome, and I agree that the throw characteristics  of the  new spots differ from the original.Howerver more to my point ,these "investigators" based their investigation on altered evidence.


I apologize. I misinterpreted your original reply. I thought you disagreed with what I said :)

Agreed 100%. What was laughable for me has now become absurd thanks to your revelation about the retouched photo. Doesn't the producer(s) of the show have someone to vet the evidence before it is filmed? LOL.

8:23 am
March 28, 2011


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Axel Olrik said:

Especially if it were a lenticular cloud…has anyone posted the weather conditions that night?


 

I'd be rather doubtful it was a lenticular cloud caught in the spotlights, would have to be one of the smallest ever.

A compilation of articles and some analysis:

http://brumac.8k.com/BATTLEOFL…..BOLA1.html

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9:21 am
March 28, 2011


Axel Olrik

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I know…but they are so neat!

10:47 am
March 28, 2011


Nosfer

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Post edited 10:48 am – March 28, 2011 by Nosfer


Axel Olrik said:

I know…but they are so neat!


Laugh  They are, in fact, one of my favorite cloud types.

 

Edited: Formatting really got botched in the quote!

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11:50 am
March 28, 2011


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TheBlackLyon said:

 Doesn't the producer(s) of the show have someone to vet the evidence before it is filmed? LOL.


 

This is minor compared to the producer having them waste the time and money traveling all the way to Indiana to investigate a spider.

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6:39 pm
April 3, 2011


TheBlackLyon

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Point taken Nosfer :)

Which of the two do you suppose required less work from the producer? Playing the spider video in slow-mo, or doing a google image search on the keywords "Battle of L.A?" I still giggle at Ben Hansen's attempt to spin the spider video on his Twitter feed. 

6:53 pm
April 3, 2011


Nosfer

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Or a youtube search for Australian Mermaid lol  I'd say the spider one would require the least amount of work since I could see that one in real time…although I did botch my DVR'ing to go back over it as the episode was airing just to make sure I wasn't seeing things. 

If I remember right, the reason I wanted to make sure was because I was pretty certain that was the video they were going to use (Indiana connection) and I just couldn't believe it.  I was amazed at the physics Ben tried to sputter on his explanation, not even close and based on false assumptions of the setting.

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