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10:10 am
March 21, 2011
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Nosfer
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The Clouseaus of the Paranormal are back in the Season 2 Premiere this Wednesday night (23 March) They are probably trying to cash in on the recent made-for-SciFi movie and the recent made-for-theater movie about the Battle of Los Angeles. AA even did a little bit on this incident in which a large number of rounds were fired at some objects in the skies over Los Angeles in late February of '42.
The incident took place only one day after the Ellwood Bombardment which was an attack on the US Coast near Santa Barbara by a Japanese sub. The Ellwood encounter was probably the inspiration for the movie 1941. Given the proximity of events both in space and time one has to wonder about this as being a case of nerves on the part of Los Angeles air-defenses or if a second (totally earthly) incident had taken place.
Almost 1500 AA shells (anti-aircraft, not Ancient Aliens) were fired and several building were damaged as a result, not to mention a few civilians killed directly as well as a few others from subsequent heart attacks. Those killed directly and the buildings damaged were all attributed to "friendly" fire.
In 1983 the case was explained as a lost weather balloon and people being trigger-happy. Darned weather balloons…I just don't believe it. First they try to cover up Roswell with weather balloons and then they try to explain this clearly extra-terrestrial invasion as an errant weather balloon.
Yep, as you could probably tell from the fact that AA (Ancient Aliens, this time) did a piece on this incident, there are those that believe that this was an engagement with alien invaders. And that is apparently what FoF is out to prove, er, test and discover. Given their past history of trying to recreate events to prove they existed or are faked, what can they prove here? That shots were fired? I dread seeing any one of these guys near a .50
They seem to understand the weather balloon aspect but are attempting to recreate it's demise…why? To prove that it was a weather balloon by how fast it falls after being punctured? As usual, this will prove nothing. There is also no way they are going to accurately recreate this given the number of batteries and SA fire that was going on in the 1942 incident. But, that's never stopped them before and it's good to see that some things never change.
Next they attempt to investigate the Queen Mary. Why? Well, because it's already been done before. Most of you will remember this as the place with the hoaxed bedding that Tango caught in a GH episode a few years ago. What will Bill find here? Probably plenty of opportunities to go wild-eyed while spinning and cranking…egged on by the ever-skeptical Chi-Lan while a confused Austin stands by watching.
Presumably some new video has emerged showing some entity on the ship that they will attempt to recreate. Unfortunately, owing to a bad map, the team will end up in Hong Kong investigating the sunken remains of the Queen Elizabeth.
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6:27 pm
March 23, 2011
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Post edited 6:28 pm – March 23, 2011 by Lindy
Drink everytime you hear the word "actually".
We'll all be loaded by the first commercial.
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6:30 pm
March 23, 2011
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Lindy said:
We'll all be loaded by the first commercial.
Which will definitely help our viewing experience! 
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12:00 am
March 24, 2011
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I missed FoF tonight but I have it on the DVR so I'll probably check it out tomorrow. From what Nosfer wrote about it, it seems we are in for another season of testing things that prove nothing only to watch them botch the experiment and have them think they have made a huge accomplishment. *sigh*
Did Bill by any chance tonight find anything to crank to keep his title of crank master general?
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2:21 am
March 24, 2011
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I've got so many problems with this episode that I almost don't know where to start.
I guess I should start of with questioning the premise of the show. I thought the entire point of the show was to get a team of "experts" together to try and duplicate media presented as evidence of the paranormal as determine whether it was fact or faked.
In the case of the Battle of Los Angeles there is no dispute in the authenticity of the photo presented. The photo is real, as are the events as described in the show. So what are they trying to prove? That it was a U.F.O.? Again, that is not in dispute. The report issued from the Office of the Air Force in 1983 that Ben mentions never stated with certainty that the culprit was a weather balloon, just that all evidence pointed to one as the likely cause of the incident.
As for the experiment itself, all credibility it might have had was tossed out the window the moment they decided to use a similiar, not identical, searchlight to those in operation that night back in '42. You can clearly see that the searchlights they used cast narrower and brighter beams.
I also call into question the impartiality of this experiment as presented to home viewers, as no mention is made of the Bombardment of Ellwood that occurred just 24 hours prior to this event. I would think viewers would like to know that a Japanese submarine did launch an attack on coastal targets near Santa Barbara, CA just 24 hours prior to this event. That information would help provide insight into the state of mind of the general populace of L.A., not to mention the members of our armed forces, had on the night of the event in question. With a coastal attack occurring mere miles away just a day prior, is it any real surprise that some people may have had itchy trigger fingers?
As far as the Queen Mary Menace, again I'll ask what is the show's purpose? The team provided an explanation within a matter of minutes on air that the alleged ghost video was more than likely a Pepper's Ghost illusion. Why go through the trouble of doing an overnight "paranormal investigation" of the entire Queen Mary? Let's say for arguments sake that the team did manage to capture some type of evidence during the course of their investigation which provided beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Queen Mary was haunted. That still wouldn't help prove or disprove a thing about that video.
I'm betting that all television companies filming aboard the Queen Mary have to agree to a clause in the contract which states no public comments can be made that might diminish the reputation of the ship as a paranormal hotspot.
Ok. No more ranting from me tonight. I just like to conclude this post by saying hi to everyone here, and stating that I have been an avid lurker on this site for over a year now. I finally just gave in to the urge to join the discussions.
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8:40 am
March 24, 2011
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That was the reason I mentioned Ellwood, folks were on edge, odd that they didn't mention it, at least not that I caught. And Ben sure seemed to take his time actually hitting that balloon, but I think that was probably more for effect. I mean, with tracers and crosshairs and given the flatness of the .50 he should have taken it out on the first burst. I wonder what was 2 kilometers down range, hope it was very armored.
The Queen Mary. The first sign of hoaxing was that the guy just put the camera down (and I think walked off) and caught the apparition. With that camera if you just put it down (and don't intend to be filming) you don't set it on it's least stable edge, you'd lay it flat. And as small as it is, who would put it down and walk away? Not to mention how perfectly he lined up the hallway in the shot when he "just set it down"
That was my thought as well about the ghost investigation (though they've done these many times before where image would not be a factor) They may have been allowed to debunk the video only if they confirmed the existence of other paranormal activity. I half-thought the little gal from when GH investigated would be giving the tour.
But here's the rub…they debunked the video by recreating it. That has caused us much angst and aggravation throughout this series, not to mention many thrown remotes. That doesn't mean there wasn't a real "live" apparition that just appeared identical to the "presidential-style" teleprompter ghost. Now…I could also recreate their EVP…identically. By their faulty premise, then, the EVP was hoaxed, too, no? Goose/Gander.
Thank goodness they had a stuntman with them, though, to perform that tricky walk.
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9:16 am
March 24, 2011
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I am just baffled after I watched the whole episode. I sat there, just dumbfounded at the obsurd number of things they did wrong. First off, the thing that really annoyed me was when they were picking videos. Can we stop with the insane overreactions? Your not good 'experts' nor are you good actors. The OH MY GOD, is just ridiculous.
Why are they bothering to show a video of a giant concrete hole in a lake? If it was well known that its a manmade thing I don't get the point as showing it as one of their 'options'. Sure it looked cool and maybe people wondered what it was if they saw the video, but a simple search would provide the info needed to know what it is. I'll tell you though, I would have loved to see them try to do that one.
I am not going to repeat what has already been said on the actual tests, if you can even call them that, because I agree with all of it and was thinking all the same.
Can someone else remind me the other videos they showed in the beginning? I can't recall the others
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9:24 am
March 24, 2011
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Well, and the people filming the big drain seemed to have no obvious reaction that made them think of a vortex to another dimension.
The poltergeist in the kitchen is the only other one I can remember off the top of my head. Did all six bring something to the "table"?
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9:30 am
March 24, 2011
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ah yes the kitchen, another overreaction moment. I can't recall anything else, and you bring up a good point. They seem to either consider the reaction of the filmer "Those were real screams", oh really I didn't know you were an expert in scream analysis, I believe the only one I know in existance was in 'Ocean's 13', or they completely ignore it like the hole in the lake. A perfectly calm filmer just filming a pretty cool looking hole in the lake. I just don't know how these shows make it to the air, its not even entertaining.
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9:43 am
March 24, 2011
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Post edited 9:44 am – March 24, 2011 by Nosfer
The poltergeist and the Berryessa black hole were probably chosen so they could demonstrate their "on the fly" debunking skills. What is odd is that they "actually" (drink-drink ) investigate videos that could truly be debunked just as easily by looking at them. Spider cough cough
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10:02 am
March 24, 2011
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I like how they were all shocked and startled by the poltergeist and then they were like LOOK AT THE BOOKSHELF!, followed by, ya know, this could be done by fishing line, then the "ohhhhhh yeah", like they stumbled upon some epiphany.
This was a really bad kickoff to the season. The countdowns are getting worse now as well. I think they did a countdown for turning on the camera in the ship before. Different season, same story.
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10:51 am
March 24, 2011
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Nosfer, I absolutely agree with you that certain videos are chosen to highlight the team's use of deductive reasoning and debunking skills. In fact, I seem to recall them debunking a video strikingly similiar to the Lake Berryessa one last season. Does anyone else remember this?
As far as how many videos were brought to the table the answer is four. I just rewatched the first half of the episode. They discarded two, and selected two to "investigate". I'm guessing the supply for paranormal videos that can withstand even the most cursory of glances without being laughed at are in short supply.
One last point on the Battle of L.A experiment. The original 1942 object in the sky was fired upon from multiple angles on the ground. The FoF team decided to fire at the weather balloon from a single elevated angle in the sky.
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12:39 pm
March 24, 2011
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One of the Majestic documents related to the 1942 incident. Claims retrieval of non-conventional aircraft after the battle. For those of you not familiar with Majestic 12, please make sure your salt-shaker is full before reading:
http://www.majesticdocuments.c…..ch1942.pdf
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4:32 pm
March 24, 2011
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Nosfer said:
For those of you not familiar with Majestic 12
Somewhere…Bill Birnes is smiling…
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9:26 am
March 25, 2011
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My ears hurt from all the loud pump music. And yes all their faces and reactions, it's called overacting or hamming. Kind of like Jim Carrey does which is appropriate for comedy, but not for this steaming pile of …….. It's like they are trying to impress 8 year olds. I'm 9 now and I'm so over it. :P
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8:05 pm
March 25, 2011
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The reason they chose these two videos, by the way, was the budget of this program was so severly limited by Jason's foolish expenses of "Training" a dog to chase EMF levels….so they stuck FoF only 20 miles from Pilgrims' LA Studios.
Case Closed.
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12:15 pm
March 26, 2011
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CEM@ALO
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These guys are top notch,They base their whole investigation of the battle of L.A. on a re-touched photo.
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12:54 pm
March 26, 2011
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Eric said:
The reason they chose these two videos, by the way, was the budget of this program was so severly limited by Jason's foolish expenses of "Training" a dog to chase EMF levels….so they stuck FoF only 20 miles from Pilgrims' LA Studios.
Case Closed.
FoF and Pilgrim? FoF is produced by Base Productions.
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1:44 pm
March 26, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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"Base Productions"?
Really? Explains so much.
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