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S01E11: Lunar Landing Hoax; Tropical Intruder

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9:52 am
December 1, 2010


Nosfer

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I've just held up a black piece of construction paper and shined a light behind it and took a picture of what looks like stars. I've just proved that all videos and pictures of stars are faked and that the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky. In case you've mercifully forgotten the premise of Fact or Faked through the wonders of tryptophans, I thought I'd remind you before we start.

This week, FoF takes on the moon landing and tries to determine whether or not it was faked. Not sure why, I wouldn't believe these guys if they said water was generally wet or that mermaids look like bloated, quillless porcupines.

In case you weren't aware, Mythbusters already did this one, too. However, there are still people who think it was all faked, which is usually a good reason to do some reinforcement. However, with FoF, you run two risks. The first is that no one will believe their outcomes if they say it was legit. Afterall, FoF could be part of the conspiracy and the show is merely a disinformation campaign (which isn't entirely incorrect!). The other risk, of course, is that they will determine that it WAS faked.

The highlight might be if they choose to show the footage of Buzz Aldrin punching out the reporter. Would make the whole show worth watching! In case they don't, though, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..Oo6aHSY8hU

For Bill, we have the second part which revolves around a UFO sighting in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Unfortunately there appear to be several sightings in that area so determining which specific UFO video this is is a bit difficult.

FoF Watching in 3 – 2 – 1, Sob!

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3:34 pm
December 1, 2010


Ghaleon

Hazard, KY

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You couldn't have said better Nosfer about there being two risks involved with FoF. After their version of calling out "Dr. Reed" they did it in such a way that  now we has some new followers because they made it look just the way the conspiracy theorist wanted it to look to keep their story going.

 

I wonder if NASA will have anything for Bill to crank maniacally while the others investigate?

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

8:26 pm
December 2, 2010


whitey08

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nosfer, i was stationed in pensacola,fl. from 1976 to1980 an on weekends when boredom sat in,we get our drinks and beach chairs  and enjoy the aerial light show..we woop it up on the good ones,,,i miss them days….

10:38 pm
December 2, 2010


Nosfer

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So, they show that they can replicate the video (the whole premise of this show, right???) yet they then say that the landing was NOT faked.  How can we take anything they say seriously!  Not that we did anyway. 

The Gulf Breeze UFO was just a hamburger advertisement for Burger King that floated loose.  Case solved.

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1:40 am
December 3, 2010


Learjet

Australia

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It all gets back to what we've been saying. Just because something can be replicated doesn't mean it was fake. But then if a video can be replicated sometimes it means it is faked. So… um…. the whole point of the show is useless.

When seeking for truth, more than video needs to be considered. In the case of the Moon landing, there's a massive paper trail spread worldwide from over 400,000 people that worked on the mission. Okay so not all of those were involved in the actual landing, but a lot still were. Never the less, it seems about 1/4 of the population still don't believe it.

It's not like there was just one mission either. There were six manned Moon missions.

So here's a tip, don't bother going to all the trouble and effort of going to Mars, cos no one will believe it! 

 

OD'd on EMF

2:15 am
December 3, 2010


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

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posts 1393

Learjet said:

It all gets back to what we've been saying. Just because something can be replicated doesn't mean it was fake. But then if a video can be replicated sometimes it means it is faked. So… um…. the whole point of the show is useless. 

 


 

 

I'm right there with you on this one.  In "Ghostly Guardian," they could not replicate the pictures exactly, yet they were determined to be "fake" yet the overall opinion was that something paranormal was going on…without evidence.  In the "Moon Landing," they did replicate the videos yet it was determined that the original videos were not faked because…a lot of people worked on the project?  Is that what they were saying?  The end got a bit jumbled…

I am simply amazed by how they "replicate" things and then how the final verdict has nothing to do with their experiments.  Like Learjet said…the whole point of the show is useless.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

2:00 pm
December 3, 2010


Nosfer

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Lunar Landing Hoax review is up:

 

http://www.skepticalviewer.com…..ding-hoax/

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5:11 pm
December 3, 2010


Nosfer

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Tropical Intruder review is up:

http://www.skepticalviewer.com…..-intruder/

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5:51 pm
December 3, 2010


Nosfer

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Learjet said:

It all gets back to what we've been saying. Just because something can be replicated doesn't mean it was fake. But then if a video can be replicated sometimes it means it is faked. So… um…. the whole point of the show is useless.


 

No, not QUITE useless, it keeps the brewing and distilling companies in business Laugh

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7:07 pm
December 3, 2010


Ghaleon

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Is it just me or is the videos they go ahead and pass up as being fake from the get go a lot more interesting than the ones they end up investigating? I mean sure that one looked like a form of lightening in the sky but it was a lot more interesting than the projected hamburger!

 

What was the point of doing any experiments at all about the moon landings? If they went in with an open mind and wanted to try and really prove something then I would say, hey go for it. But instead they go in to replicate something that they already believe is true. So after they do the experiments they all say "you know, we did good on these experiments, but come on we already know its real." Which makes me wonder why even do it in the first place? There is always going to be cospiracy nuts out there that will lock on to the moon landings as a hoax and these guys and gals didn't do much to persuade anybody on any form of the matter.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

8:10 pm
December 3, 2010


Nosfer

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Yes, especially when they come out and say they could recreate it but, oh, we still think it's real so it's real, trust us!

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1:25 pm
December 7, 2010


Revenant

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Really nice reviews…

The Burger King UFO…wow.  I'm all for experimentation.  I'm all for proving things correct or incorrect.  Yet, some things you just look at and just throw out.  This…might be one of those times.  Did anyone even consider that thing an alien spacecraft?  Do hardcore believers even believe it?  I find that highly doubtful.  This was clearly a "we'll look good by 'debunking' this schlock" type of pick.  Perhaps one day they might discover that "looking smart" and "being smart" are two completely different things…

As for the Moon landings…*just makes an exasperated noise and shakes his head*

The only thing that I thought the review would have that it didn't have is 27 links to sites that answer this nonsense.  Not that it needed it, it's just nice to have.  So…here's a few:

http://science.nasa.gov/scienc…..st23feb_2/

That's NASA's "dumbed-down" version.

http://www.badastronomy.com/ba…..pollo.html

This is one is Phil Plait's response to an old Fox TV special on conspiracies back in 2001.  He does a great job.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/scie…..s-debunked

Here's another that addresses the typical or "strongest" evidence of a hoax.  As you notice, the FoF crew found their own avenues of nonsense to travel down.  Great.

So…again…if this show can get on TV…why can't "The Skeptologists" break through the door?

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

8:38 pm
December 7, 2010


Learjet

Australia

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Revenant said:

So…again…if this show can get on TV…why can't "The Skeptologists" break through the door?


 

Maybe if they sex it up with a couple of hot chicks, some over loud obnoxious music and a count down?

OD'd on EMF

2:01 pm
January 10, 2011


CrowTRobot

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posts 228

I didn't watch this one (guess I haven't watched any of them lately) for this reason: I can just see these people sitting in that room at the end of the show - thumbing their noses at NASA and every other agency or group of highly educated scientists, astronauts, etc with degrees that FoF couldn't spell, as well as everyone who has already dealt with and answered the consipiracy theories for half a century - saying, "So yes, I think we (we being the three goofballs that were selected to travel to whereever they went: Houston, the moon, whereever…) clearly debunked that whole moon-landing thing. Yea, man, the things some people will believe."

They just need to stick to hunting prehistoric monsters in man-made lakes.

 

I….I'm thinking.

1:10 pm
April 3, 2011


TasCat

TasCat

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posts 74

 

I can't believe something I read about in an old (new at the time) UFO mag I got as a teenager/early adult is just now investigated by these guys!!  I don't want to even talk about the hairless sloth I even had on my blog before I got really sick (why I've been gone, lurking….but not well enough to discuss theories on some of the shows that garnered more attention…sorry guys, I've missed you all, but have to look out for #1 first…  Although not in this episode, you would think these guys would investigate a Golden Knights event before even getting into that "investigation"   Also, now I want to get some helium and a bunch of led lights and go at it…. not… but a lot of teenagers will…sorry for not going to that episode's topic.

 

Keep it real Guys, enjoying the debunking quietly…and yes, I too am so sick of emf.  I think I'm panicking. lol

Take Care All

"If the sheet doesn't fit, buy a new one!"

9:33 pm
April 3, 2011


Learjet

Australia

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Sorry to hear your troubles have flared up TasCat. It's good to see you about again.

OD'd on EMF

11:33 am
April 4, 2011


Revenant

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Learjet said:

Sorry to hear your troubles have flared up TasCat. It's good to see you about again.


 

 

Yeah, what he said, but in a Chicagoan accent instead of an Australian accent…Smile

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:33 pm
April 9, 2011


TasCat

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Post edited 3:35 pm – April 9, 2011 by TasCat


 Thanks guys, yeah…. I just couldn't believe such an old ufo case with many stories surrounding it (a model found I remember, but this was 80's stuff…the famous pic of the object hovering over the road with the "spotlight" illuminating it, but yeah, those alleged sightings were long ago.  The model incident was like someone moving into a formerly occupied house by one of those who took pictures or something, was found in a wall some years later I think….take this all with a large grain of salt, like one the cows lick, a big block of salt.  It's been so long since I read all the articles in the UFO mags back then, I may have been guilty of buying one in the middle 80's as these were the most detailed at the time, but now after seeing some of the debunking, it was probably the glass at an angle trick, I'm sure any search of the Gulf Breeze UFO's would show them and the history.  Going to do that to get reacquainted with the story after this.

 The dead sloth (poor guy) was obvious to a laymen? layman? like me, just from watching so many shows on Nat Geo and such…as they have actual algae growing in their hair, one falling into a river and getting picked clean sounds reasonable to me, or disease, etc.  But instead of going all the way to Costa Rica or wherever it happened to be, why not a little home research, save a lot of money as a phone call to the Golden Knights if they took time to research the date it happened and schedules of aerial events in the area. Call the airport maybe during that investigation..sorry, I kind of went from one topic to another..why I'm sparing you regular posts, trust me, it's for the best, lol.

The lunar landing hoax had many more contentions by the conspiracy theorists like the flag moving, supposed numbered props..why no stars visible, all kinds of stuff that a whole one hour show was dedicated to just this event on Nat Geo I think, everything explained by NASA and the actual astronauts, like no stars visible because the moon is just so dang bright, it washes out the starts like mega light pollution in the cities at night.  These guys just touch the surface of events and as someone said is it a "red herring" amongst the paranormal shows to show someone is checking them out….yeah right.  Fact or Faked is just a "serious" Destination Truth…always seem to go in the wrong direction though and truth?  Making the Gulf Breeze events sound current..bah.  And they couldn't figure out how to explain "Gumby" walking through someone's back yard?  I guess I didn't have any real good ideas at the time and haven't read how our semi-professional (not an insult, just thinking of them as minor league as they don't have the equipment that laboratories do and high-tech devices to go around to everyone or they would be the big time, I consider myself to be still in high school ball..lol…or pee wee league. ;-)  I know there's a lot of dust on the old guy.  But yet, I still have my dvr set to record the regular shows..watch them and sigh and shake my head wondering why I'm still putting myself through it all…I guess just for that one moment we get an actual full bodied apparition, of course no one would believe it by now, GH saw to that.  I guess I need to read more on GA as I heard some shenanigans got past me (hopefully not still the brick and boards in the background debate)… yeesh. 

 

 Sadly at the moment, I can't keep a good train of thought going to truly debate with the masters vs those who still think this is the official site of whatever program they are commenting about..lol…can you guys get me Jael's autograph? lol pretty please?  I am so glad to log on and see the same names still at their posts, and for the most part, which others don't understand, hope to see that unexplainable spectre like whatever Nick saw in the Loma Vista hospital, if he wasn't really scared, some dang good acting.  But of course..the good old video goes out as usual.  So in the spirit of comraderie between the Aussie and Chicago pride, thick crust, deep dish pizza or the Vegemite thin crust? I better watch out, LearJets do travel pretty fast and I could get a good butt whoopin' and not know what hit me…a poltergeist I guess. :)  during sleep paralysis which isn't often mentioned, even when the account is as the person is falling asleep or waking up…sigh.

 

 Bill

"If the sheet doesn't fit, buy a new one!"

10:18 am
April 11, 2011


elwyn5150

Sydney, Australia

Investigator in Training

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Luna Landing:

At no point did I believe the conspiracy theorist was a credible witness. I was disappointed that FoF didn't follow up on those crazy claims about NASA deleting their data. I know data storage isn't as cheap back then as it is now and that there are historical cases of major organisations deleting their stuff or reusing it (eg the BBC did delete some of their early Dr Who episodes) but the luna landings?

 

UFO:

They forgot to call the park rangers to check if anyone was playing with helicopters, spotlights or other paranormal toys that night.

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