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4:51 pm November 17, 2010
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FoF is off to Australia (poor Learjet) to investigate the footage of a mermaid. Expect some shots of Sydney to prove that they really are in Australia and filming in the sea there. In reality they will probably end up in the Sea of Tranquility…well, maybe not, nothing Tranquil about the background noise, er, music they are subjecting us to. We know they are all experienced builders and are quite resourceful, so pay attention to the mermaid getup that Jael "makes". Here is the maid that launched a thousand fakes. Or at least three:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v….._ElsEJe0Kw
What's interesting is that there is other footage of this mermaid, from the same person, loaded on different days.
While Austin, Jael, and Ben are in Australia, the other 3 manage to find their way to Hawaii to investigate some photos of a Guardian Angel. For some reason I am betting this one turns into a night time ghost hunt. Please, FoF, prove me wrong!
I've found various candidates for these photos but the FoF plot is fairly vague so hard to say which.
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5:20 pm November 17, 2010
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Learjet – remember your secret Aussie oath! Just tell 'em 'No, we don't have mermaids.' You know the unicorns won't be happy if you let our secret out.
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7:21 pm November 17, 2010
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Larry Zoolander: I just thank the Lord she didn't live to see her son as a mermaid.
Derek Zoolander: Mer-man!
[high-pitched cough]
Derek Zoolander: Mer-man!
Zoolander….
You don't have to go all the way to Australia to find mermaids. Here's some!
And while in Australia, why not do a "2-fer" and check up on the Thylacine? Sure, it's no cat/boar hybrid, but it was pretty cool…
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11:03 pm November 18, 2010
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They rule out the strap because it doesn't look right and then in the end say that's what it was. But there's something else going on there that is unrelated to the ghost in the photos. Okayyyyy!
Mermaid…why didn't they come up with a theoretical mermaid first and rule it out as an impossibility and save themselves a trip?
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3:22 am November 19, 2010
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Post edited 3:22 am – November 19, 2010 by Revenant
Nosfer said:
Mermaid…why didn't they come up with a theoretical mermaid first and rule it out as an impossibility and save themselves a trip?
"Save themselves a trip?" To Australia??? They may be idiots, but they're not stupid…
And how many skeptical viewers watching that episode arched an eyebrow when they mentioned that the guy who shot the video is a film maker and wants to remain anonymous? Can there be a bigger red flag waving over a "paranormal" video clip?
Oh…and Chi-Lan's amazement over such a thing as professional mermaids. Apparently she was never dragged to Florida every year for vacation as a kid. First few trips to the magic kingdom are awesome. And then, like everything…it gets old. So the famly expanded into lesser known attractions which is where the mermaids (link in my previous post) came into play. The instant I saw the video, I instantly thought of "Weeki Wachee." I guess putting up with it as a kid did pay off. Who knew? 
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3:25 am November 19, 2010
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How obvious was it from the get go that it was a strap from the camera, but that wasn't what really took the prize. Remember when the Grandmother claimed it could not have been a strap because she cut the strap off of the cameras she used? When they asked for her camera the thing had a strap on it. What happened to her cutting the straps off of all the cameras? Anyone else think that the photo with her in the wrapping paper that they couldn't figure out was just a water stain? I have seen many pictures where someone has laid something wet like a glass on them and cause a similar effect. I didn't see if they had any of the womans negatives or if they where just going by the actual picture.
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3:32 am November 19, 2010
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Sorry for the back to back posts, but I found a video on youtube where this guy claims to be the person who recorded the mermaid video and published it online.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..QXdUY8Tf2U
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10:01 am November 19, 2010
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Ghaleon said:
Sorry for the back to back posts, but I found a video on youtube where this guy claims to be the person who recorded the mermaid video and published it online.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..QXdUY8Tf2U
Ah, I see you noticed his other posts :-) I was wondering why they only considered the one bit of footage. Was a bit funny, when I was writing the initial post above I easily found footage that was very similar, except that instead of swimming away from the camera, it was swimming overhead in the water. After looking around some more I found the one they used last night and saw that he had a few others which made me immediately suspicious of the guy. Took me maybe 10 minutes…I guess I need to stop doing things from the chair, I'll never get a free trip to Australia that way!
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12:14 pm November 19, 2010
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Now if Grant would only do a video like that….
About the radio interference, if I had 1 cent every time that I've received interference, I'd be a bazzillionair. And it's getting worserer every day. It's like these nongs have never used a radio before.
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1:12 pm November 19, 2010
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The Mystery of the Mysterious Mermaid review is up:
http://www.skepticalviewer.com…..y-mermaid/
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2:27 pm November 19, 2010
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LOL tip of the day, don't eat or drink anything while reading Nosfer's review.
BTW Cairns to Sydney is about 2000 km ATCF, although it would be one tired crow after that trip. I suspect they didn't travel to Sydney just for a quick Dugong flit and then BACK to Cairns, although I suppose it depends where they landed in the first place.
BTW again, the water is mostly warm in Cairns all year round as it's only -17 degrees latitude.
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4:32 pm November 19, 2010
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fact or fiction is one utterly ridiculus show,and their actually getting rich off this stupid show……please dont renew it….put lost in space back on.
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5:02 pm November 19, 2010
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5:14 pm November 19, 2010
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I don't watch this show when it comes on- I record it for viewing later (Burn Notice is on at the same time and is soooo much better)-so I WAS watching it now. I'm not even going to bother commenting about the mermaid part, but I have to say something about the ghostly guardian. There are many things that I find just plain stupid about this, but the thing that really gets to me is that Chi Lan says that she managed to get a color processor to process the film. I don't think someone can just GET a color processor. First of all it is not one machine, it is two-one for the film and one for the prints. Second, both machines are BIG. The one that you see her standing over is just the one for the film. It has all of her splicing and taping equipment needed to prep the film for processing on top of it . The shot that shows a hand catching prints comming out is the paper processing machine-specifically the dryer end.Third, both of these machines weigh a ton and they have large tanks that hold the chemicals. In other words, they require some major man power and equipment to move around!! You can't just set it up anywhere. It takes time. I find it hard to believe that she just set up this 'lab' on her own and just for this investigation.
With the black drapes hanging around this color processor I am thinking that they may be in an actual lab somewhere and those black drapes are to cover up the fact.
I don't think I'm going to bother even taping this show any more. I have really lost the will to watch it-even for the fun of picking it apart. (I'll stick to Burn Notice and The Mentalist)
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5:49 pm November 19, 2010
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OMG! (I can't believe I just typed that) Love the review Nosfer!! OK…I will watch FoF if, AND ONLY IF, we get rid of the crappy music and all sound and have a voice-over with Nosfer narrating.  
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7:22 pm November 19, 2010
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"Meanwhile, Bill is desperately looking for any type of apparatus with a crank-handle on it."
hahaha, you made my day with that Nosfer. 
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3:33 am November 20, 2010
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I will begin writing my post in 3 – 2 – 1 – Start Writing!
Very nice reviews, Nosfer. My favorite line?
That whooshing sound you just heard is a flag going up the pole so fast that it actually rips itself free and sails up into the high reaches of the moronosphere
That's swanky. But not is all sugar and spice and everything nice.
If this wasn’t a hoax, how in the blazing ding-bat dang did Norma manage to take that many pictures with the strap in the way?
I know what you're saying. And if it wasn't for a personal experience of mine, I'd be right there with you. Let me see if I can change your mind…
My grandmother (also affectionately known as "the snowman"…because she was literally built like a snowman… ), during the holidays, would take many pictures. When we would get them back, every forth or fifth one would have a blur on the bottom right corner. Sometimes half the picture. Why? The more pictures that she took…the better the odds that her finger would get in the way of the lens. Every single year we would tell her about this and every single year, without fail…pictures with a blurry smudge in the corner.
Of course, for us…we knew exactly what the problem was. But Norma may be another story…
"Guardian spirits" just may be apart of her culture and background. We don't know her belief system. We don't know how superstitious she is or to what level. Keep in mind, she wasn't pushing these photos as "our traditional ghosts." These were/are pictures of guardian spirits. Or, in other word, angels. Ever talk to someone who truly believes in angels? Their belief is rock solid.
Seeing Norma, her age, her demeanor….man…I'm really thinking that she falls into this sort of category. And if this is the case, I would be very uncomfortable charging her with "hoaxing." I honestly believe that she would not look at things that way. She would not be faking anything on purpose.
Yes, she said she took the straps off and one of her cameras had a strap. Ok. She may have taken a strap off of one of them. Then again…she may have gotten defensive when answering questions along these lines. After all, I doubt that her integrity is really ever questioned. In her view…she may have pictures that show something truly amazing…a guardian spirit guarding her most precious thing, her granddaughter. Why would anyone question that?
So…do I believe that Norma took a bunch of pictures that had a camera strap hanging in front of it? Yes, I sure do. Do I believe that she did so on purpose? I don't think so. And do I believe that she believes that these pictures are real? Yes, I actually do.
Posting my reply in 3 – 2 – 1 – Post Reply!
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11:07 am November 20, 2010
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She may very well have taken the strap off just one of the cameras. When it comes down to it, I think all we have is the word of FoF to say that she took the straps off at all, let alone that she took them off every camera. And as we've seen before, what they say and then what the witness says are often two parallel lines, thus never intersecting.
I can see getting a thumb in a picture repeatedly a bit more easily than a strap, though. Unless you ball the strap up, gravity usually does the work of keeping it out of the way for you.
In most of my cases, the camera is either on a tripod or the strap is around my neck so…with the smaller "automatics" the only time I had troubles was doing closeups at an angle and gravity was the culprit at that time.
As you say, though, culture and a predetermined bias as to what she is seeing may come to play. I'd still have handed her 20 rolls of film to at least watch her style of photography :-) Then I wouldn't have had to rent a "color processuuu" which, from what Leslie says above, has some baggage of it's own in this episode!
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12:50 pm November 20, 2010
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Nosfer said:
As you say, though, culture and a predetermined bias as to what she is seeing may come to play. I'd still have handed her 20 rolls of film to at least watch her style of photography :-) Then I wouldn't have had to rent a "color processuuu" which, from what Leslie says above, has some baggage of it's own in this episode!
Yes, well…you or I would have handed her 20 rolls of film to watch her style of photography, but…that's also exactly why we aren't on the FoF team. 
In fact, this case could probably be easily cleared up by just watching Norma snap some pictures. My gut tells me that she's "bunching up" the strap on the side of the camera. Those old cameras had those cheap plastic straps that would twist and whatever. Also, I don't think either one of us would do that, but if we did…we'd be able to hold the entire strap in our hand. Norma, seems quite small. If she held that plastic strap in her hand, the strap would over-lap or stick out and "loop.". I think, whether she knows it or not, this just might be her photography style.
It just seems more likely to me. And I guess I just want to guard against cynicism (and I say that as the self-proclaimed "King of the Cynics"…), As you've maintained throughout the FoF season, that their actual premise is flawed. Sometimes the options of "Fact" or "Faked" do not properly explain the situation. In this case…have the pictures been faked and did FoF debunk it? Or…did a grandmother take pictures of an angel/guardian spirit protecting her granddaughter and a bunch of people come into her home and essentially call her a liar on national TV? You know, I have no problem with going after anonymous film makers and their mermaid videos. Everyone here knew exactly what was up with that video the instant that we saw it. And there are plenty of people hoaxing whatever. But…to watch FoF go after Grandma just so that they could look good…that's exponentially tame.
Sorry, I don't mean to rant or anything. It's just that the more I thought about this episode, the more angry I became. But…you know, let's leave Grandma out of this. I mean, if this team came into my grandmother's house and did this…we'd be having words. (And just for the record, "we'd be having words" to a Chicagoan means taking Bill out behind the house and beating him relentlessly. Happy Holidays from Chicago everybody! )
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