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10:06 am
November 13, 2010
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Nosfer
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Like I said, funny how they hauled both the obelisk (that they were building outside) and the alien out from the very front part of the van. Nawwww, nothing suspicious there!
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7:48 pm
November 13, 2010
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Nosfer said:
And the Alien Attacker review is also up:
http://www.skepticalviewer.com…..-attacker/
nosfer-is it totally scripted and hollywooded out and their previous employment for real/like the dude was an FBI agent and what about the guy always wearing a tie…I find it hard to stay focused,,like taps.they aint plumbers for sure,,,great exposure for roto-rooter…by the way, im new at this and what a great site..thanks for your patience
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12:26 pm
November 14, 2010
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Nosfer said:
Like I said, funny how they hauled both the obelisk (that they were building outside) and the alien out from the very front part of the van. Nawwww, nothing suspicious there!
Just for argument's sake…it did look wet outside when they were building it (or "mock-building" it). After being built (maybe…), they showed Jael spray-painting it. If it's raining outside…you would bring the ship into the truck so it can dry. Of course…due to the humidity, I'm uncertain of how long it would take that ship to dry, even in the truck. In any event…that's why I thought the ship was placed back into the truck.
By the way, excellent reviews. Fun to read and very informative. I loved the catch on Bill mixing up the coordinates. You hardly expect that from FoF's "Lead Scientist" no? 
Also…and I know this is VERY mean…but, um…am I the only one hoping that they were tracking a bear and would actually catch the bear? Bears LOVE being tracked and surrounded out in the woods. Pretty sure they love that. I swear I heard that somewhere before…
Oh, and lastly…a very minor topic. The spelling of Chi Lan's/Chi-Lan's name. I almost positive that I've seen her name on the screen with a hyphen and without. I didn't catch that at first. It wasn't until recently that I posted something and actually pulled up her name to check for a hyphen. It didn't have one. In the last show, it did. I know this isn't a big deal, but…shouldn't they be correctly and consistently spelling the name of one of their own people?
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2:12 pm
November 14, 2010
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I hope you guys are not holding your breath, I'm going to say something nice about them. I think it was Larry that flew the R/C plane wasn't it? That type of plane is not the easiest thing to fly – in the daytime. When I saw him fly it at night I thought he must be one very highly skilled R/C pilot. I couldn't do it. Not at night.
Okay had to get that out of the way. Back to saying bad things about them. :-P
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6:25 pm
November 14, 2010
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Revenant said:
By the way, excellent reviews. Fun to read and very informative. I loved the catch on Bill mixing up the coordinates. You hardly expect that from FoF's "Lead Scientist" no?
Welllllll, one way of looking at his title is that "Lead" just means he's the best of the ones within FoF to choose from. Hardly a ringing endorsement is it! :) At least he gave real numbers, I didn't hear anything like forty-eight point eleventy-nine.
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10:09 am
November 15, 2010
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whitey08 said:
nosfer-is it totally scripted and hollywooded out and their previous employment for real/like the dude was an FBI agent and what about the guy always wearing a tie…I find it hard to stay focused,,like taps.they aint plumbers for sure,,,great exposure for roto-rooter…by the way, im new at this and what a great site..thanks for your patience
Well, as a wise old owl once told me, if something is on TV and is a show of this genre, there is a possibility that truth may at times succumb to a need for ratings.
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10:27 am
November 15, 2010
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Nosfer,
I read your review of the Bigfoot run. I did not watch the show. 2 things you said reinforce my belief that this was a trail runner out for a run in what happens to be a popular hiking/trail running area.
First, you actually mention that there is a well worn trail.
Second, one of the FoF idiots mentioned that humans don't heel strike when they run. Well, they shouldn't heel strike as they run, but they do. ESPECIALLY WHEN RUNNING DOWNHILL!!!!!!!! It is almost impossible to strike on the balls of your feet when running down hill. And, trust me, after years of coaching beginner runners, alot of human still heel strike even when on flat ground.
Although Memorial Day, this was in Washington State at about 4,000 feet elevation. It's not out of the question that it would be chilly enough for someone to be wearing running tights.
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11:18 am
November 15, 2010
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Patrick — In all fairness to FoF, it was Owen Pate who went on about the heel and ball stuff. I had to interrupt my review writing at that point to do some running tests of my own and concluded Owen was winging it. Now, having given FoF a BIT of a pass there, I'm going to take it away by just mentioning how Austin takes Owen's statement and turns it into something related to how it meant the creature was running faster than a human.
Revenant — About Chi-Lan/Chi Lan's name. Her name is mostly likely two characters and if she were in China and we were writing about her, the dash or no dash would simply be determined by convention. Do we write Kang-Hsi or Kang Hsi? Sheng-Tsu or Sheng Tsu (or Sheng T'su or Sheng-T'su for that matter)?
Now, since she is associated with those doing the writing, and probably writes her own name occasionally, the method used should probably be the way she sees her name translated and written. Which it doesn't seem to be! Score one more for them! By the way, one translation of Chi is that of a mythical Dragon and, after the Valentown episode…
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4:21 pm
November 15, 2010
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The use of the voice stress analysis at the investigation of the Reed case was odd. First of all, there is no scientific basis for the theory behind it, and studies have shown that its accuracy isn't significantly better than chance.
Worse than that, even if assuming that this method worked, the FoF-team drew wrong conclusions from the results. When Reed said somthing like "This is my story, this is what happend to me", the tool displayed "False". From which they concluded that he "psychologically detached" himself and actually believed his story. Well, if this tool worked, ie. if it measured stress, than a "False" would mean that he's under stress, wouldn't it? So why do they conclude that he thinks he's saying the truth? Rather, it would mean that he's lying and that he knows he's lying.
Either way, I didn't see the point in replicating something that looked like a poorly handcrafted dummy in the first place. They should have investigated his past instead. Like, did he even ever have a dog?
By the way, I have to disagree on the view that one needs an "objective mindset" for an adequate investigation. If that was necessary, there would be no science. Because everybody, including scientists, is biased in one way or the other. It is not the mindset but the methods which makes science objective. For that reason, there is not a single scientific publication out there in which the author feels obliged to proove that he had a certain mindset during his studies. Because it is not requested, because it doesn't matter. Actually, it seems that only pseudoscientists find it necessary to point out how objective or "skeptical" they are.
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9:55 pm
November 15, 2010
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I am angry at the show because they are LIARS. I work at a glass shop a few doors down from the guys who ACTUALLY made the alien (in L.A.) and obelisk for that show. Maybe they signed an oath of secrecy or something but I sure didn't. They had like 5 or 6 people working a few days on the black ship. Hey, they left their door open and were too friendly. Oops. What utter BS to act like FoF made it on the spot. What, they would build it outside, then bring it in and paint it so cutie-pie could huff the paint fumes? Looks like the grabbed some scrap crap lumber from a rainy dumpster.
And the alien was cooool…way better than the Dr. Reed fake. But for Larry to f'in say "I made this" and "I did that" is horse-you-know-what and you can never believe ANYTHING this POS show does now.
Also: what voice software exists that proves a human is lying. Let me buy some so I can try and fool it so my gf doesn't know I'm doing her bff!
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11:31 pm
November 15, 2010
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MadSkeptic said:
I am angry at the show because they are LIARS. I work at a glass shop a few doors down from the guys who ACTUALLY made the alien (in L.A.) and obelisk for that show….
Yeah that's what we thought. They are not something you can knock up in the back of the van in a couple of hours.
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1:02 pm
November 16, 2010
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Verklagekasper said:
The use of the voice stress analysis at the investigation of the Reed case was odd. First of all, there is no scientific basis for the theory behind it, and studies have shown that its accuracy isn't significantly better than chance.
Does anyone know the specific VSA (Voice-stress Analysis) software program that they use for the show? I've checked out several types, but I haven't found the one that they use. It would be interesting to take a gander at it.
MadSkeptic said:
I am angry at the show because they are LIARS. I work at a glass shop a few doors down from the guys who ACTUALLY made the alien (in L.A.) and obelisk for that show. Maybe they signed an oath of secrecy or something but I sure didn't.
Since you didn't sign an "oath of secrecy" or a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), then perhaps you can tell us the name of shop that you alledge made the items. I am curious, as we all are, as to what type of shop this is. It would be great if you could provide a link to the store's website so we can see what they do and take a look at the quality of work for ourselves. Thanks.
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11:04 am
November 19, 2010
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Post edited 11:06 am – November 19, 2010 by phillyk48
Nosfer said in his review:
"Austin completes his run in 9.28 seconds. Austin is inhuman. Cut to scene of villagers charging out of the forest with torches and pitchforks ready to rid the earth of the inhuman Austin."
I thought I would fall off my chair laughing when I read this. I've come to the conclusion that I only watch FoF anymore just to read your reviews, Nosfer. And of course to see their incredulous recreations, which are laughable in themselves.
I also immediately caught the difference in stories, fishing, cooking, boys, dog. And what about that dog…do they really have a dog? Where was this "dog witness" when Lori was telling them her story? Could it be Jonathan Reed's dog? 
Of course Austin can run with a sprained ankle! He is superhuman and can run like the Flash and heal himself like the Hulk! He's faster than a skyrocketing spotter plane and can scramble up hillsides in leaps and bounds. He is the ATV Spider and the Sasquatch Sprinter! Oh I must lie down, I think I am going batty…oh no, thats DT's Fangalabolo.
FoF is making me demented, deranged and dopey!  
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5:04 pm
November 19, 2010
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 I think I have a lot more fun doing the reviews than watching the actual show!
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4:00 am
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Big Foot segment:
I was thinking that if they want stunt guy to run faster and safer, they could have made put more effort into making the ground harder – like the same material at an athletics track and given him spiked boots. The grass would conceal it anyway.
With the aircraft circling overhead, I wondered why they just gave up tracking it. Surely at some stage, it'd stop and they could catch up.
For all the tracking of it, surely they could have gotten more than one badly cast footprint?
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8:30 am
April 11, 2011
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Post edited 8:34 am – April 11, 2011 by Nosfer
elwyn5150 said:
Big Foot segment:
With the aircraft circling overhead, I wondered why they just gave up tracking it. Surely at some stage, it'd stop and they could catch up.
The problem was that Bill was circling in a plane that was probably no where near where Chi-Lan and Austin were. First, the coordinates Bill radioed were somewhere miles to the east…the second thing is…where was the cameraman and crew on Bill's thermal? All that showed were "Austin" and "Chi-Lan" who were being filmed by at least one cameraman. Mysteriously, the cameraman must not be giving off ANY body heat…either that or we saw the cameraman and Chi-Lan, and the inhuman Austin gave off no heat :)
Edited: Interrogative statements should have question marks at the end
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9:14 pm
May 23, 2011
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Im convinced they edit the camera men out of every episode except the Paulding Lights episode where they forgot to edit one out. Just before they come back on the atv you can see him on the right of the screen. (oops!!) (I also loved the whole we need to rush up there to capture the lights but they had time to stop let the camera guys off then go back so they could film them coming up the trail.)
One thing they do that is a flat out lie is claim "we three were the only ones there" when quite clearly there were at least 6 other people with them, im assuming 1 camera man and 1 sound guy per person following them around. (Not including directors etc.)
The ghost ship (queen mary) is the best example of editing out the camera crew. When bill is doing his evp session in the change room. They are doing their dramatic zoom in on his eyes really fast then out, then in, then out dramatic effect. You can clearly see the shadows being thrown by the crew from the IR camera in the background, then when it switches to the IR camera view they are gone indicating that bill is on his own, then back to the dramatic camera play. The crew is CLEARLY there yet are conveniently "edited" out of the show.
They dont even pretend to hide it. They are using deception to show that they are on their own when what we are seeing is not being filmed by any of the three that are there OR by their static IR cameras. So if they are on their own who is filming?, when they claim they are the only ones there?
If they lie about that and edit that out what else is being edited and lied about?
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2:54 am
May 24, 2011
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Amunous said:
If they lie about that and edit that out what else is being edited and lied about?
You mean like this?
http://www.skepticalviewer.com…..-trueness/
And the hits just keep rollin'…
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