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12:13 pm
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Post edited 12:14 pm – November 9, 2010 by Nosfer
Since discussion has already started, I am going to put up the thread for this week's FoF.
The first of their films is the famous "Memorial Day Bigfoot" footage. This was footage was taken with an 8mm camera on 30 May 1996 by the Pates when they were at Chopaka Lake in Washington. I believe FoF looked at this footage already and decided to go after some other more spectacular video at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..oWLkeLLhYQ
Some additional thoughts on it here: http://www.bigfootencounters.c…..es/mdf.htm
It even has a wikipedia page (but then, what doesn't) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..ay_footage
Or: http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/…..oser_look/
One interesting thing about the footage is that it does have a logical ending where it runs into the trees rather than the person just deciding to stop filming, thinking "Oh I think that's enough footage" Apparently, from information in one of the links above (the second one) there is more footage than we are shown. By viewing the short video above, you can see that that is true.
If you think you are seeing and filming this most elusive creature, why the heck would you stop filming partway through?
The next is an investigation of "Jonathan Reed" and his alien encounter. Reed supposedly killed an alien and took pictures/video of it
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/…..355959/pg1
Unfortunately, the controversy surrounding the authenticity of this is about as bad as the controversy around the authenticity of FoF, itself.
http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jon…..n_reed.htm
Reed's official site: http://odisealink.com/
FoF continues to amaze us by looking into things previously examined. In the case of Reed, though, there are those who do not buy into the "debunking" and, since he's still at it, a fresh and properly executed examination of the evidence is not all bad. However the terms "fresh and properly executed examination" and "FoF" don't really belong in the same sentence from what I've seen.
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2:44 pm
November 9, 2010
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Ahhh, the Memorial Day Bigfoot. What a pleasure to see someone partaking in one of my passions being mistaken for Bigfoot. That is someone trail running. With a black shirt and running tights.
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1:24 am
November 10, 2010
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The Alien Attacker episode really intrigues me. I remember reading awhile back about the fall out of this fiasco. "Dr. Jonathan Reed" was a fake name and occupation last I heard and he got into some trouble for using a fake ID. Now for some reason they are still letting him call himself "Dr. Jonathan Reed". The way to really bust this case fast is to go the local vets and verify that he had a dog and look into what could have possibly happened to said dog. Knowing how the FoF crew works they will probably go to the location that the attack happened at and start going on about how there getting weird EMF readings and such and claim that something is really going on there and just open it right back up like they have so many other cases. At least this time we won't get a 5 minute montage of Bill cranking a hand generator while the camera cuts in out and with various "investigators" freaking out!
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10:26 pm
November 11, 2010
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Post edited 10:31 pm – November 11, 2010 by Nosfer
Dog yelping alerted them to the "bigfoot"? Missing from video and the witnesses's story!
Austin sprains his ankle or so he thinks but still runs. Uh huh! And even so he does it in 12.06 seconds and they blame the costume for the slower speed…could it be a sore ankle? Corrupted test.
Looks good, but let's do our own investigation. These creatures are nocturnal so let's do it at night…um, just exactly what time of the day was the video taken? Again searching for a creature does nothing to prove or disprove the VIDEO!
And Bill gives geographic coordinates to the nearest TENTH of a degree? Bill…uh, do the math, tenth of a degree of latitude is about 7 miles, those coordinates aren't good enough even if you're dropping GBU-43s
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2:36 am
November 12, 2010
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This whole episode was a complete mess. For starters Is It Real on National Geographic channel had already debunked this by using a marathon runner to run the same position in a suit as Austin did, so this whole episode was just a retread of what NatGeo did. Me and my wife where both just shaking our heads when Austin sprains his ankle but then keeps on running anyway and they use it as evidence! I would also like to know how Bill knows that Bigfoot is nocturnal. Almost every Bigfoot video I have seen has been shot during the day time (this one included). Some of the witness stories claim to have seen them during the night but that doesn't make them all nocturnal. Then when it comes down to them chasing something on the thermal, how do they even have a clue that it could be anything other than a bear, wolf or coyote? Not to mention that horrible cast they made that didn't resemble any sort of print at all to me.
The second case I didn't even see a need to do. This Reed character was called out years ago on this and plus he got in some trouble over using the name "Dr. Jonathan Reed" which isn't even his name, so how is allowed to still use it now? Looks like if they where going to call him out on everything they should have just went full blown and called him out on that as well.
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3:04 am
November 12, 2010
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Revenant
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Ghaleon said:
I would also like to know how Bill knows that Bigfoot is nocturnal. Almost every Bigfoot video I have seen has been shot during the day time (this one included). Some of the witness stories claim to have seen them during the night but that doesn't make them all nocturnal.
How does Bill know that Bigfoot is nocturnal? Well…Bill is the "Lead Scientist." He knows stuff…
Yet…to be fair….yes, almost every Bigfoot video is shot during the day but one could argue that, for years, video cameras did not have night vision capability. That is somewhat a newer feature. So even if one saw Bigfoot at night, one did not have the technological capacity to film it so…that could explain the lack of night time video.
Of course, to continue to be fair…I don't know of any large primates (which many claim that Bigfoot is) or any large mammals in general that are nocturnal. Typically…the night is for smaller animals and specialized predators. So, I don't know upon what basis Bill or anyone else would consider Bigfoot to be nocturnal. I would need some examples of large nocturnal primates and/or mammals in which to draw comparrsions to.
Oh, and Nosfer…thanks for the UFOwatchdog link. Haven't seen that site in quite a while. And I do remember the site really going after that guy and exposing him as a fraud. Not sure why they felt a need to re-invent the wheel with this one…
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3:04 am
November 12, 2010
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Ghaleon said:
I would also like to know how Bill knows that Bigfoot is nocturnal. Almost every Bigfoot video I have seen has been shot during the day time (this one included). Some of the witness stories claim to have seen them during the night but that doesn't make them all nocturnal.
How does Bill know that Bigfoot is nocturnal? Well…Bill is the "Lead Scientist." He knows stuff…
Yet…to be fair….yes, almost every Bigfoot video is shot during the day but one could argue that, for years, video cameras did not have night vision capability. That is somewhat a newer feature. So even if one saw Bigfoot at night, one did not have the technological capacity to film it so…that could explain the lack of night time video.
Of course, to continue to be fair…I don't know of any large primates (which many claim that Bigfoot is) or any large mammals in general that are nocturnal. Typically…the night is for smaller animals and specialized predators. So, I don't know upon what basis Bill or anyone else would consider Bigfoot to be nocturnal. I would need some examples of large nocturnal primates and/or mammals in which to draw comparrsions to.
Oh, and Nosfer…thanks for the UFOwatchdog link. Haven't seen that site in quite a while. And I do remember the site really going after that guy and exposing him as a fraud. Not sure why they felt a need to re-invent the wheel with this one…
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3:52 am
November 12, 2010
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Ghaleon
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Bill would know a whole lot more if he owned a Dodge :P
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3:53 am
November 12, 2010
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Are they ever going to change their clothes or will they just be very smelly by season end?
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10:06 am
November 12, 2010
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Nosfer
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Ghaleon said:
The second case I didn't even see a need to do. This Reed character was called out years ago on this and plus he got in some trouble over using the name "Dr. Jonathan Reed" which isn't even his name, so how is allowed to still use it now? Looks like if they where going to call him out on everything they should have just went full blown and called him out on that as well.
In this case, I disagree. He was called out on it, yes, BUT he continues to perpetrate the fraud. The original debunking of the story did not stop him. He is profiting by a hoax and people still believe it. Sometimes it takes more than one shot and if a show like FoF doesn't even buy his story, it helps.
Now, I do disagree over the manner of the debunk, but more on that in the reviews.
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11:13 am
November 12, 2010
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Didn't one of the FoF team say the word "exposed" in the situation room before they even went out to test the claim? Seems like they didn't start from a null hypothesis and had their mind made up before they started.
So yeah, that was a bit contrived, even though I agree with their conclusions.
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1:25 pm
November 12, 2010
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Get out your maps, Sasquatch Sprint review is up:
http://www.skepticalviewer.com…..ch-sprint/
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3:36 pm
November 12, 2010
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the crew of fact or fiction';are they for real? someone please inform me;thanks
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3:40 pm
November 12, 2010
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Are they for real? In what way? They are real people, but I'm not sure exactly what you are asking?
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4:09 pm
November 12, 2010
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5:59 pm
November 12, 2010
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Ghaleon
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Learjet said:
Didn't one of the FoF team say the word "exposed" in the situation room before they even went out to test the claim? Seems like they didn't start from a null hypothesis and had their mind made up before they started.
So yeah, that was a bit contrived, even though I agree with their conclusions.
Your right Learjet and them going out of the situation room and into the field with that mindset has already caused some problems. There is some people now arguing that they believe "Dr. Reed" was telling the truth based off of the way that the FoF team interrogated him and their mindset of exposing him in the midst of tests. Basically FoF played right into conspiracy theorists hands by the way they handled this case. I say this guy will still push some good numbers on his dvd and book sales.
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6:09 pm
November 12, 2010
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I got to thinking about this more as I was doing the review and the way it was done did not help. I don't have any problem with this being re-debunked in a proper way to reinforce it, but we didn't see that from FoF. As I said in the review, Ben had all these questions, and he said that things didn't add up, but he didn't elaborate. If you have ammo, fire it, if not, shut up.
His persona of being former FBI will not help, either.
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7:09 pm
November 12, 2010
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Ghaleon
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Nosfer said:
I got to thinking about this more as I was doing the review and the way it was done did not help. I don't have any problem with this being re-debunked in a proper way to reinforce it, but we didn't see that from FoF. As I said in the review, Ben had all these questions, and he said that things didn't add up, but he didn't elaborate. If you have ammo, fire it, if not, shut up.
His persona of being former FBI will not help, either.
Exactly. The FoF crew pretty much just guarenteed "Dr. Reed" a profitable extension by the conspiracty theorist community. Expect new material from this man now that this case went so bad and was so one sided from the start.
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4:28 am
November 13, 2010
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That alien replica looked waaay to good to be knocked up in the back of the van. Larry —> "hey look what I made while you guys were looking the other way". I don't think so. It had remote control eyes and all. I think he had a "bit" of help.
Yeah it's a nit pick, but hey it bugs me.
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