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S01E07: Haunted Mansion Mist/Starlight Intruder

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3:59 pm
October 16, 2010


hyacinth

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Oct 28
Footage of a strange mist inside McPike Mansion brings the team to Alton, Ill.; a UFO sighting in Fremont, Cal., is probed.
http://mcpikemansion.com/  I see GL was there last year.

10:16 pm
October 16, 2010


Ghaleon

Hazard, KY

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I actually love watching this show because I love watching stupid people do stupid things and then pat themselves on the back for being stupid. Tongue out

I was pretty PO'd however when I thought the whole Paulding Light had finally died down only for them to revive it.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

5:51 pm
October 27, 2010


Nosfer

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7:53 pm
October 27, 2010


hyacinth

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Next weeks show , didn't get the title. Apparently they're  in the ghost hunting business too.

Episode Synopsis: Ghostly footage brings the team to a purportedly haunted museum in Victor, N.Y.; a clip of a person flying over a Texas ridge is scrutinized. Original Air Date: Nov 4, 2010

8:08 pm
October 28, 2010


Nosfer

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Just for starts…was it just me or was the shot of the hang glider awfully dark…no stars…no IR?

And if it's hoaxed with a jet, who cares what Pablo said about the sound?  They are assuming he's the victim rather than perpetrator of the hoax?  Afterall, he's entirely credible, he's really into UFOs and really wants to see one!

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10:46 pm
October 28, 2010


Revenant

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Actually, my favorite part with the UFO segment was the intial look at the video.  Chi-Lan was utterly impressed with how "fast" the triangle was moving because it was passing the stars at such a high rate.  Of course, not knowing the size or distance or having any sort of reference point…not sure what she was comparing the speed to.

But…NOTHING…can best the "Insect Test."  That, my friends…is paranormal investigation gold.  "Some say it looks like a swarm of bugs.  Let's try it!"  Yes, of course.  Why not?  I came up with a few others to try as well:

Throwing candy canes into a huge industrial fan.  Pouring dry pancake mix into a leaf blower.  Tunnelling out the cellar, backing in a '69 Camaro and pouring Pixie Stix into the tail pipe.  Getting a Louie Armstrong impersonator, filling his mouth completely with flour and then punching him really hard in the stomach.

And why is the Insect Test any better than those?  Just as valid.  And who doesn't want to punch a Louie Armstrong impersonator really hard in the stomach?

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

5:58 am
October 29, 2010


HollyDolly

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posts 194

I watched on tv ,maybe Haunted Travels or something a while back, in which they had the MCPike Mansion.In the program, they showed this strange mist moving down in i think the basement are.It quite possibly be dust  they accidently stirred up.As far as the UFO, ,I don't know of that many people who go hang gliding at night for the triangle to be the cause of what they were seeing. Not saying it's not possible, the shape would be right, but i don't know how fast they go. Now it might be a jet, though living  only a mile or two from an airbase,I haven't really heard them flying at night.

9:45 am
October 29, 2010


Nosfer

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10:49 am
October 29, 2010


Nosfer

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Starlight Intruder is up:

http://www.skepticalviewer.com/2010/10/29/fof-starlight-intruder/

…and I'll ask if people think it's really worth reviewing these?

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11:01 am
October 29, 2010


Revenant

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Nosfer said the following in his excellent review: "Sharon talks about how it was a hot and humid July day of over 100 degrees outside. I have to wonder about humid air in this situation.

To his credit, Ben brought an anemometer to test for air currents. That’s about all the credit I’m giving him for he then proceeds to stand a foot away from the wall, block the meter with his body and hold the anemometer nearly against the wall. Amazingly he detects no air flow. I also noticed in Rene’s video that the configuration of the room was different…crates possibly in various places whereas now it appears to be a large open cellar. Fortunately, things like that are of no concern to our intrepid investigators."

Very nice observations, my friend.  Let's talk about this "recreating the environment" aspect of the investigation.

First, let's not pretend that the evidence (the video) is from 1853.  What I mean by that is that the information about the video can be verified, we don't have to take anyones word for it.  For example, was it 100 degrees on that day?  How humid was it?  How windy was it?  Can we get a graph that charts all three of these things at the same time for that particular night?  We can.  Things like weather are carefully kept track of.  Did they verify anything along these lines?  Nope.  Ben can research art projects out in the desert but not any weather websites?  That's weak sauce…

Second, Nosfer's right about the configuration of the room.  Why not bring in cardboard boxes to simulate the exact conditions of the room on that night?  Again…it would be really great to know what kind of wind they were dealing with that night.  It's not like that mansion is air-tight or anything. 

Lastly, could the "mist" have been a combination of the dirt on the floor and the crumbling mortar?  Sure.  But the next plausible explanation aren't gnats and flies.  Again…what was with that?  Anyway…ever smoke a cigarette in a virtually enclosed place without any air flow?  The smoke kind of hangs in the air, doesn't it?  And if you move around…the smoke will too.  I'm not saying that this cigarette smoke was it, I'm just saying that it is an infinitely better possibility than gnats and flies.  Not as funny…but it holds more merit.  (personal side-note-  I'm coming up on 8 months of being smoke-free after 22 years of smoking.  So…you know…Cool )

Nosfer also said: "Ben gives a bit of history about Henry McPike and his family and reiterates about a lot of strange things going on at the place now. I see objectivity seems to be going out the window at a more rapid rate."

Yes…even before the investigation started…didn't all of us know how it was going to end?  By hook or by crook…that place was going to be haunted…

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

11:09 am
October 29, 2010


Nosfer

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I've seen some pretty intense swarms of gnats and I like the possibility in, of, and by itself…and that's about as far as I will go regarding liking it :) We don't see anyone swatting like crazy in Rene's video, so pesky insects is pretty much a no-go given the additional information such as the setting and the reactions of the participants.

Rene supposedly walked into the mist (swarm of gnats) with a thermometer…it would be pretty obvious to her that they were gnats at that point!

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2:56 pm
October 29, 2010


zweifel

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I live about 20 minutes from this place, its a stop on one of the local "haunted tours".  (Alton has several)  I have heard -can't remember the source but seems possible to me-  that this was actually mold spores that got stirred up.

6:22 pm
October 29, 2010


Leslie

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Nosfer, you have two really good write-ups on these episodes, and I really don't have much to add except that the music/sound effects were so loud that I wondered what they were trying to cover up with it. It was so annoying to me that I actually muted it and watched much of the show without sound!! (Oh, and I though that the UFO in the other case looked a lot like the spaceship in the old video game Asteroids.)

3:14 pm
October 30, 2010


Ghaleon

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The woman who is showing them around the building makes what to me is one of the dumbest quotes I have ever heard before. She takes them to this room with an open window and tells them that she is talking to a friend of hers when she gets this feeling like shes done this before. So basically she thinks Deja vu is a paranormal experience?

As for the video, my take on it is, if you look closely the front door is only a few feet from the cellar door. The cellar goes down a steep set of stairs and then your right into the main room, which has no other extensions on it. Which means that the upstairs has holes in the walls, no windows and the door might not have even been shut, so if any current happens at all outside, it will travel down stairs and kick up the dust. If the temperature is over 100 degrees and then a gust of wind comes in I would say that would make it feel kind of cold to someone who is burning up from that type of humidity.

As Revenant said, the gnat and fly test was just pointless and stupid. In no way does that video ever show any indication of it being a swarm of insects. Even if it was wouldnt the people react to it being insects when they walk into the mist?

I also find it funny that after its all over they make claims of getting a knocking response while investigating the whole house. If this piece of evidence was so significant to them then why was the scene of them obtaining this evidence not shown to the viewers? We don't even know they did this until they play an audio track of it. I guess they think the title "lead scientist" means that you have to believe everything they tell you.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

3:48 pm
October 30, 2010


Nosfer

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Ghaleon said:

I also find it funny that after its all over they make claims of getting a knocking response while investigating the whole house. If this piece of evidence was so significant to them then why was the scene of them obtaining this evidence not shown to the viewers? We don't even know they did this until they play an audio track of it. I guess they think the title "lead scientist" means that you have to believe everything they tell you.


The knocking scene WAS shown.

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5:36 pm
October 30, 2010


Ghaleon

Hazard, KY

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I don't recall seeing the knocking scene, I must have missed it somewhere, I'll go back and check the dvr again.

Anyone else think its weird that when Chi-lan, Ben and Austin are in the vehicle ( I can't remember if its Ben or Austin in the back seat) when they show inside the vehicle from the middle console camera, the backseat passenger is strapped in the middle seat in the back. When the camera shifts to the one outside of the vehicle, he is in a different seat. He is in the one behind the passenger seat against the door. The scene changes every few seconds and each time hes in a different seat. Nothing major but I thought it was kind of funny to watch.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

6:08 pm
October 30, 2010


Nosfer

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No, didn't look weird to me…I'm not seeing what you're seeing regarding seat changes. Chi-Lan is in the back seat, not one of the guys. She is always shown sitting behind Austin who is in the front passenger seat. Ben is driving. This seating arrangement does not change in any of the four shots we see, and when they pull up, they all get out of the same seats that they were shown in before.

The camera shot from the console is showing Austin in the front passenger seat just where he should be and in that shot, you can't even see the back seat.

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10:31 pm
October 30, 2010


Ghaleon

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I just went and rechecked and I told you the wrong line up. It was the 3 that went to investigate the ufo sighting. It was the guy in the middle in the back seat. When it shows them from the front he is sitting in the middle seat and his head is a few inches from both head rests. but at other angles it shows him in the passenger seat with what appears in one scene to be him with his head against the head rest, then it cuts back to the front camera and hes back in the middle with his head away from both head rests and what is being said by Jael is still in the same sentence.

Pain is weakness leaving the body!!!

8:09 am
October 31, 2010


Nosfer

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That one is a distinct possibility. For me, the telling piece of evidence is the position of his shoulder strap which changes. Additionally the camera angle and reflection of his arm in the window shows that he is closer to it than I think we would get with him being in the center seat.

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