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1:22 am November 17, 2010
| Ghaleon
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Post edited 1:23 am – November 17, 2010 by Ghaleon
I was wanting your opinions on this. I first heard about this on SyFy's forum so I decided to check it out for myself. In the Red Night Sky episode and the Hovering Humanoid episode it looks like both witnesses in both of those cases are at the same house. During the RNS episode they call the witness Paul. In the HH episode they say the witness had to be brought to the states and they interview her in the house she is staying in while here. During the RNS case they show the whole house and then the door. On the HH episode they show the house but not the door. The RNS episode did not show inside of the house but the HH episode did. Here is some video for you to check out
Here is the Red Night Sky video and check the video at 5:50. It shows the whole house and the door and notice where the mailbox is and things like that. Also notice the door is in an alcove. Also notice the white and brown pattern of paint on the house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..p;index=14
Now here is the Hovering Humanoid episode. Check the video at 6:42. You can't see the door because as shown on the RNS video, it is in an alcove that cannot be seen from the angle they have. Notice the same white and brown paint pattern on this house as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..O40QOwXFOM
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3:11 am November 17, 2010
| Revenant
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I would say that the houses shown in these two clips are…actually the same house.
Not only the color scheme (which I didn't like…) but many things. There's a light fixture on the corner of the roof in both videos. There's a bench just outside the house. Same location. Same style. Large ferns to the right of the bench (from our view). Something blue to the left (maybe a hose?). And the slam dunk? The crack in the drive-way.
First video…at 6:09 you see Jael walk right past it. In the second video…at 6:40, you see the graphic that says "Witness Interview, 2:45PM"…same exact crack in the drive-way.
This…is very interesting. Why the same house? Does the guy from Red Night Sky know the lady from Hovering Humanoid? Are they related perhaps? There is nothing that I can come up with that isn't shady on either the witnesses part or on the part of FoF.
This is highly unusual. Also noted…that Jael is in both videos but is wearing different clothes. Although, the vehicle is the same, but it's probably just a rental.
Um…wow…just…so shady. Shenanagins! 
PS Can you please link where you got this info from? I'd be interested in seeing that.
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3:24 am November 17, 2010
| Ghaleon
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Heres the link to where I heard about this Revenant:
http://forums.syfy.com/index.p…..ic=2352036
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thought at first it was just someone joining in with bashing the
FoF crew and that there wouldn't be much to it, but then I decided to
look up the videos and check it out and it really surprised me.
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12:01 pm November 17, 2010
| Nosfer
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Notice after they talk to her, they get back in their vehicle and get onto California State Highway 41. Not in Texas they wouldn't be doing that!!
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12:55 pm November 17, 2010
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Ghaleon said:
I thought at first it was just someone joining in with bashing the
FoF crew and that there wouldn't be much to it, but then I decided to
look up the videos and check it out and it really surprised me.
Thanks for the link. I thought it would be a huge thread…but only a couple of posts with really no information. So I can definitely see why you thought that. Glad you trusted your instincts and checked it out yourself. Also glad that you posted it here. So, thanks again. 
(Side-note – In that SyFy thread, there's a video talking about Roswell. It has nothing to do with FoF or really anything with the thread. Still…kind of interesting. )
Back to the debacle at hand…we need a snazzy name for it. "FoF's HoH (House of Horrors)?" "The FoF Housing Faux Pas?" "FoF's Mystery House?" "FoF's Fun House?" "Ben Hansen's Magical Emporium?" Hmmm…have to think on that one.
And I still don't know what to think about this whole thing. I mean we've seen weirdness in these paranormal shows…but this…this is all kinds of weirdness.
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1:12 pm November 17, 2010
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Really not much different than Jason and Grant using the same place for their plumbing stunts, though.
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2:17 pm November 17, 2010
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You can also tell they are the same house in both videos when they show the houses across the street from them. There are two houses next to each other with an electric pole behind one house and what looks like a round water tower to the right of that (as if everything else wasn't conclusive enough!)
Verdict of this show? Faked.
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3:48 pm November 17, 2010
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2:37 am November 18, 2010
| Ghaleon
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Revenant said:
Ghaleon said:
I thought at first it was just someone joining in with bashing the
FoF crew and that there wouldn't be much to it, but then I decided to
look up the videos and check it out and it really surprised me.
Thanks for the link. I thought it would be a huge thread…but only a couple of posts with really no information. So I can definitely see why you thought that. Glad you trusted your instincts and checked it out yourself. Also glad that you posted it here. So, thanks again. 
(Side-note – In that SyFy thread, there's a video talking about Roswell. It has nothing to do with FoF or really anything with the thread. Still…kind of interesting. )
Back to the debacle at hand…we need a snazzy name for it. "FoF's HoH (House of Horrors)?" "The FoF Housing Faux Pas?" "FoF's Mystery House?" "FoF's Fun House?" "Ben Hansen's Magical Emporium?" Hmmm…have to think on that one.
And I still don't know what to think about this whole thing. I mean we've seen weirdness in these paranormal shows…but this…this is all kinds of weirdness.
Now we can watch to see if they change their clothes and their witness house! 
Granted that these guys have done some really, really stupid things on this show, but for the editing crew to let that big of a blunder happen is just insane. You would think that they would make a note that they are using the same house and to just show the outside one time and then the inside the next time and no one would know. But no, they can't even get that right. It's sad when a crew this bad has a crew behind the scenes that are even worse.
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3:02 am November 18, 2010
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Nosfer said:
Really not much different than Jason and Grant using the same place for their plumbing stunts, though.
Hmmm…I'm going to go ahead and disagree with this. I would lump J&G doing the plumbing scenes, DT doing the "we're flying back and forth" when they really aren't, and FoF taping most of their intro's on the same day and usually at the same exact time (which is always kind of funny) all into the same category. They are annoying untruths. One can argue symbolism or whatever, but to me…I can give or take them all. I don't think any of those things matter much on a grander scale because all of those shows have much deeper problems.
This…I would rate just a touch above. This isn't some "intro/b-roll/get the show moving" type of thing. There is something wrong with at least one of those investigations. This is a new animal. We've never really come across something like this before. This is more along the lines of FoF's Predator episode where you deftly observed that they were in the wrong location. Actually, it's probably worse. In England…they probably just thought "we're out in a field…good enough." But meeting two people at the same house for two different investigations without any explanation? Shady. I'm not saying that it's on the same magnitude as Collargate…just saying it's somewhat worse than J&G's plumbing scenes.
You would think that they would make a note that they are using the same house and to just show the outside one time and then the inside the next time and no one would know. But no, they can't even get that right. (said Ghaleon)
I'm still very uncertain of what to take away from this. I keep coming back (in my own mind) that the two witnesses (each with their own episodes) are related in some way. But…I could be absolutely wrong about that. I'm not sure if we're going to find out unless someone from FoF or their crew says something about it. Just so weird…
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3:36 am November 18, 2010
| Ghaleon
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I know what you mean Revenant, it's just so bizarre. Did they think that no one would notice it? And your right, there is a chance that these two witness's are somehow related. Even so that would be a huge coincidence. It's just weird to think that this man who lives in the states has a UFO encounter, then in Mexico one of his relatives (who happens to belong to a UFO investigation group) also claims to have seen and recorded a UFO. Not saying that this isn't the case, it's just that this whole development is so weird that its hard to really put a finger on it and really put a label on it. I am really curious to hear an explanation of this from the cast or crew.
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9:39 am November 18, 2010
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Someone posted in the SciFi thread that he found a similar story here (this particular post) Yes, it's similar, because it STARTED from the SciFi one lol Talk about circular!
By similar to the GH plumbing scenes, I wasn't referring to the scenes themselves but that they were using their own building. This is a bit different, though, in that what we are seeing here is integral to the plot. Or, is it?
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10:50 am November 18, 2010
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No verification on Paul, but I'm willing to say that the Diana shown is the actual Diana. I wonder if that place is used as a "safe house" such that the actual residence of the witness is not revealed?
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11:45 am November 18, 2010
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Nosfer said:
No verification on Paul, but I'm willing to say that the Diana shown is the actual Diana. I wonder if that place is used as a "safe house" such that the actual residence of the witness is not revealed?
You know, I thought of the "safe house/simple filming location" thing as well. But…I'm not so sure about it.
Paul stands out in front of the house and points to where he shot the video of his UFO. This directly places him at least near the house for at least one night. Since he answers the door when the FoF crew shows up and he had his sighting near the house…I'm certain that we are at least lead to believe that this is Paul's house. I mean, it's an odd statement to make because we've never had to question anything like this before.
Enter Diana…and everything becomes murky. Her sighting wasn't even in this country, it was in Mexico. And really, that seems to be the extent of our knowledge. We don't know if she lives in the US and if so, we don't know where.
Could it have been a "two birds with one stone" kind of thing. She was near the location by chance and they simply directed her to the house to interview her? Maybe. But…the three people team doing the episode aren't the same. And as I said before, Jael isn't wearing the same clothes. FoF is now famous for not changing their clothes for filming different segments (this is without a doubt, a fact). So…if filmed on the same day, would Jael have changed her clothes? From past experience with the show…I'd say no.
So…I can sort of see changing the house for Paul. Ideally, you wouldn't want a bunch of UFO people knocking on the door. Of course, his UFO turned out to be a lit-up glider, but still the point is privacy. Yet, you've made the choice to be on TV…you get what you get. But Diana…they could have met her anywhere in the US or in Mexico. You can even do her interview outside somewhere. Yet…they chose that specific house. My instincts keep telling me that she's connected to that house. I can't prove it…but man…the spidey-senses are a tinglin'…
Like I've said…this is a different animal. I've never seen anything like this. Very, very curious.
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12:10 pm November 18, 2010
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I guess I was referring more to a safe house but not designated as one. Done so as to protect their location but not necessarily for us to know that. Make us think that it is Paul's house so that Paul's actual house doesn't get visited; like you are saying in your 2nd to last paragraph. It would have worked probably except that they used it as the place they brought Diana to. There are strong indications that she is from Monterrey, Mexico, but I'm still working to solidify that.
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2:38 pm November 18, 2010
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I don't think Diana was ever at the Witness house that we see (the one they show with Paul at) We never see her outside the house, and the shots of them driving into the driveway etc are of the scene in which they go to visit Paul. Check the brighter blue shirt that Larry (the driver) is wearing in the Red Sky episode. It is the same in both scenes as they turn to drive into the driveway, even though Ben is driving in the Hovering Humanoid case and his shirt is a much duller color.
The scene where the vehicle stops in the driveway is of the same arrival, too. I think this is more of a case of reused footage than it is of bringing two witnesses to the same house at different times. They did a real good job if they managed to park it two times in a row and get the Chevy logo on the wheel to line up the same way each time :)
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3:43 pm November 18, 2010
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Nosfer said:
I don't think Diana was ever at the Witness house that we see (the one they show with Paul at) We never see her outside the house, and the shots of them driving into the driveway etc are of the scene in which they go to visit Paul. Check the brighter blue shirt that Larry (the driver) is wearing in the Red Sky episode. It is the same in both scenes as they turn to drive into the driveway, even though Ben is driving in the Hovering Humanoid case and his shirt is a much duller color.
The scene where the vehicle stops in the driveway is of the same arrival, too. I think this is more of a case of reused footage than it is of bringing two witnesses to the same house at different times. They did a real good job if they managed to park it two times in a row and get the Chevy logo on the wheel to line up the same way each time :)
Oh, very nice, my friend. Nosfer gets a Scooby-snack! 
In the first video, at 5:50, you get the odd angle of a close-up on the wheel. The camera is tilted a bit to the right so you can see across the street and see the car parked in front of the white garage door and a little bit of their yard.
In the second video, at 6:47, you get the same odd angle of the close-up on the wheel…EXCEPT…it picks up right where the other video trails off. The camera has now moved a bit to the left. So you can still see across the street and still see the car in front of the white garage, but you no longer see the side-view of the yard. And you never see Ben, Jael or Austin…the stunt expert …actually get out or back into the vehicle.
So…yeah…just an amazingly bad job in editing. Using the "b-roll" from one episode in another. I can see using background or moon-lit skies or whatever…but a guy's house? That's just lazy and unprofessional.
Excellent catch. 
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12:35 pm November 19, 2010
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Strewth, the chair is even in the same position.
This show is so fake it needs to be renamed faked and faker.
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