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S04E14: Ghosts of Antarctica (19-Apr-2011, 9pm E)

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11:17 am
April 18, 2011


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Well, what is there to say? The title says it all…yet another ghost hunt as Josh and crew look into reports of ghosts still haunting the buildings of previous explorers, inhabitants etc who never made it back to the northern latitudes. Kinda like the Namibian ghost town except snow and ice instead of sand.

Antarctica, not much to say, I think most people here know where it is (just walk south until you get really cold and are served drinks by formally dressed birds)

If any of them (cough, cough, Alex) says anything about the Piri Reis Map, I'm going to throw something rectangular with buttons on it. Oh, wait, hopefully he won't be in this episode, although "Peru" might be on the way.

Where will they be hunting? I have no idea but if I had to hazard a guess, near the top of my list (if not my first choice) would be a ghost town at Whaler's Bay on Deception Island. This is supposedly the oldest "ghost town" there and was started in 1906 by a Norwegian-Chilean whaling company. The town was abandoned in 1931.  the ghosts remained.

Deception Island is off the northern tip of the Antarctic Peninsula and would be about the first thing you run into from the Argentine side after going across Drake Passage.  It even has it's own webpage.  I wonder if the tourist trade is down?

This is the Season Finale of Season 4 and also the half Season-finale of the half Season 4.5 They started out with a cross-over and time will tell if they end it by bringing their evidence to Kris and Barry.

Your drinking cues:

  • Anytime Rex says he feels a cold spot
  • Anytime an EVP sounds suspiciously like teeth chattering
  • Martini jokes made by Josh
  • Someone wrecks a snowmobile right before a commercial
  • Attempts to recreate the last moment of the Titanic by ramming ice bergs
    • Extra swig if it's before a commercial

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3:39 pm
April 18, 2011


Skooter

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I expect some misuse of the FLIR in a place this cold. Much like our beloved Trio in FoF during the investigation of the plexi glass ghost in the theatre.

OMG Are you seeing this? Walk over to it! Oh its gone…Wow!

In 3……2……1……!!!!

3:14 am
April 20, 2011


Revenant

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Hmmm…much to ponder over this one.  Let me throw a few of them out there:

1) The FLIR Image – Sometimes, I refer to DT's handling of the FLIR as "drive-by FLIRing."  The FLIR is always in motion, the supposed object is moving, and then we typically get to see it again by aiming a camera at a monitor showing it, as opposed to just giving us the raw feed.

Inconclusive.

2) The Trifield Meter Pulsing – Hmmm…you're in Antarctica…where magnetic compasses don't work.  I think you might have a little trouble with various EMF meters.

Inconclusive.

3) The sounds and the coffee lid (?) falling – Interesting.  I just don't know enough about Antarctica.  Something tells me that there are some very…wonky…things happening.  I don't know how the weird magnetic fields could effect man-made metal alloys over a long period of time.  I keep thinking of some weird form of ferromagnestism.  Can things like a metal coffee lid (or whatever it was) become slightly magnetized over time there?  So when the guys moved about in the house, they were literally attracting various pieces of metal to them.  Far-fetched?  Yeah.  As far-fetched as ghosts?  Not so much.  But again…I just don't have a workable knowledge of Antarctica.

Inconclusive.

4) The SOS signal – I don't know.  Did anyone else throw a red flag into the air over this one?  I mean they went above and beyond the call to get this sound…and then they decode it.  *long pause*  So…you know…there's that. 

Then…how does that work exactly?  You aren't using a radio receiver, you're either using a personal mic or the one on the camera.  This sets up some interesting questions.  The people who believe in EVP's claim that what they hear are NOT radio waves and that their equipment does not pick up such things.  If this is so…how are you picking up this radio signal?  If it isn't a radio signal…are they claiming that it's literally a ghost saying "do-do-do…doooo-doooo-doooo…do-do-do?" 

Inconclusive.

5) Compelling Evidence – I believe that Ryder and I have much different versions of "compelling evidence."  Say it as many times as you like…it doesn't make it so…

Not Really Compelling.

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9:27 am
April 20, 2011


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It's been a while since I've seen an episode of DT. It seems to have changed a bit since I saw it last. So it's now Ghost Hunters with a different cast? They sure did travel a long way just to scare themselves.

The FLIR: I looked at it several times, frame by frame and I just don't see anything moving other than the camera. There's some lens distortion artifacts that change as the camera is panned, along with motion blur and smearing. I think that's what he is raving on about. 

The trifield meter: He's got it set to magnetic, swinging it around and it goes off. That meter needs to be set and then kept stationary, not hand held. Then as Revenant says, who knows if it even works properly at the poles. I suspect it won't.

The thumping SOS. If they can get Morse code out of that then I have a stone and some blood…

OD'd on EMF

9:29 am
April 20, 2011


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Magnetism and the Coffee Lid.  I think we may be looking at something a lot more "down to earth" on this one.  They are in close quarters.  It's cold so they are bundled up looking more like the Pillsbury Doughboy and probably not used to their extra bulk.  We never see the actual cause, just the effect (ie the sound and then the thing on the floor) (Isn't that usually the case with these shows…something happens but we only see the end result of the happening)

With the padding of the extra clothes, they might not even be aware that they brushed against something and knocked it onto the floor.  A magnetic field strong enough to yank something off a shelf?  Possibly, though I'd put it pretty far down on the list.  I suppose IFF it had become magnetised it could have attached to a sleeve zipper as it was brushed by, but I'd be more inclined to suspect that it were simply brushed off the shelf by the physical action of the sleeve.

Morse code…you mean you never went around as a kid spelling in Morse code? Laugh  Surely we weren't the only ones who did that! 

– .- -.– -… .
.– .
.– . .-. .
.— ..- … -
.– . .. .-. -..
..–..

The Trifield meter…Frequency, we want Frequency!  I'd sure like to know how they can account for their equipment in a "baseline" when they are constantly moving and the equipment is at varying distances and directions from the meters.

The Classic DT Line from this episode (repeated more than once): "I just got the chills!"

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9:35 am
April 20, 2011


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Well, they were at least 2500 miles from the geomagnetic pole and well over 3000 miles from the magnetic pole.

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11:22 am
April 20, 2011


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Yeah I did Morse code as a kid, passed two telegraphy exams with it and still use it today. What they had wasn't recognisable as Morse code. The red dots and dashes are their interpretation of a bunch of banging noises.

And here I was thinking that Morse code was immune to pareidolia. I was wrong!

The Trifield Natural set to magnetic only reads slight variations in the magnetic field. It's not a pure DC meter but it ignores all but the lowest frequency AC.

OD'd on EMF

11:30 am
April 20, 2011


Nosfer

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Learjet said:

Yeah I did Morse code as a kid, passed two telegraphy exams with it and still use it today. What they had wasn't recognisable as Morse code.


 

Nope, not until they cleaned out (or enhanced and purged) so much of the signal that you can't rule out the possibility of completely adding that signal in.  Could probably tease a code out of any signal if you hack it apart far enough.

If they were on magnetic on the Tri-field then toss it out given how it was being used.  Wonder why they were in that mode…wonder why they don't explain that at the beginning of the segment.  You know…we're going into this shed and because of such and such we're going to do this because of the fact that…  Yeah, I know, I'm dreaming again!

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11:56 am
April 20, 2011


Revenant

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Learjet said:

The FLIR: I looked at it several times, frame by frame and I just don't see anything moving other than the camera. There's some lens distortion artifacts that change as the camera is panned, along with motion blur and smearing. I think that's what he is raving on about. 


 

I'm glad you got a chance to look at it frame by frame.  I was hoping that someone trustworthy would.  I just watched the show "as is" and I couldn't seem to get a very good look at it.  It's as if they were intentionally showing ultra quick clips of it in order to make it as ambiguous as possible.  But…they wouldn't do that, would they?  Surprised

Nosfer…thanks for throwing in the the "normal explanation" concerning the magnetism and the coffee lid.  I meant to throw that in, but…I just forgot to.  The dangers of writing posts at 3 in the morning…Laugh.  And I agree with you.  I'm still interested in magnetism and Antarctica though.  Such an unique place.

And just for clarification…what exactly did they say about the "SOS" signal?  I think I was just stunned when they pulled that out.  Did they actually claim "ghost signal?"  I can't seem to remember their exact words as to their thoughts on their "signal/sound/noise."

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12:03 pm
April 20, 2011


Learjet

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Nosfer said:

 Could probably tease a code out of any signal if you hack it apart far enough.


 

Yes I think that is true. Imagine what could be done with shave & haircut knocks!

 

You may notice that they had to pause the "SOS" between the dots and
dashes for it to make sense. If you look at the bottom line alone, even
post processing it doesn't look like Morse. The telegraphy operators of
that era were of high standard. The dots and dashes would be more
clearly defined and separated. What they have is 9 thuds, which looks
like it was made by a machine going by their sound wave program and the
duplicate nature of each peak.

OD'd on EMF

12:08 pm
April 20, 2011


Learjet

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Revenant said:

And just for clarification…what exactly did they say about the "SOS" signal?  I think I was just stunned when they pulled that out.  Did they actually claim "ghost signal?"  I can't seem to remember their exact words as to their thoughts on their "signal/sound/noise."


 

Josh said it could be coincidence but….

 

What's her name convinced herself it was a real signal.

OD'd on EMF

12:09 pm
April 20, 2011


Nosfer

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Josh and Ryder, in their conversation about the "signal", appeared to me to be trying to convince each other and themselves about it.

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5:25 pm
April 25, 2011


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First, I don't understand why they don't explain the flash of light you saw in the building where they caught the supposed SOS. There clearly is a white ball of light that Shawn and Gabe see, but it's not shown in the evidence to be debunked or investigated. Second, why didn't they review whether or not Kyle knocked off the diary that was next to the typewriter? They asked if he hit, but don't replay the scene in evidence or even show us that they debunked it. Third, if it was the light switch they were hearing, why not put a camera on it to see if it moves or makes a noise? I just had a friend go to Antarctica in February and it cost her over $10,000 for what took nearly the entire month. I can't imagine that they would spend all this money to take more than one person down to gather this much "evidence" and do such a poor job of investigating. It's not like you can do a "do over."

11:31 am
April 26, 2011


Revenant

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Post edited 11:34 am – April 26, 2011 by Revenant
Post edited 11:35 am – April 26, 2011 by Revenant


Buffy said:

First, I don't understand why they don't explain the flash of light you saw in the building where they caught the supposed SOS. There clearly is a white ball of light that Shawn and Gabe see, but it's not shown in the evidence to be debunked or investigated.


 

I remember the flash of light.  I'm uncomfortable referring to it as "there clearly is a white ball of light" though.  To me, that statement implies a free floating, self illuminating object/mass.  That would be quite extraordinary. 

Perhaps, from the location of the light, to me at least, it looked like a reflection of light upon either glass or metal.  You say that it was not investigated (at the moment).  Agreed.  That tells me that the two guys also thought that it was a simply reflection.  If not, in typical DT/FoF/GH/GA/etc style, they would go running towards it and making a big show of it. 

Why not debunk it in the review?  Two reasons.  The first is time constraint. They may have discussed it and it just got cut for time (we'll never know unless they release that footage).  The second, look at the show itself.  Most likely, it's a simple reflection but it looked good.  They could use it for commercials before the show aired (which I'm fairly certain that they did…fairly certain…) and they could also leave it in the actual show because again…it looked good.  I think it's as simple as that.

If you and I were running the show, would we take the time to explain that light?  Sure.  You and I would probably have done almost everything differently.  And…that's why you and I don't run the show.   Skepticism and common sense don't exactly rule the day… Laugh

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2:46 pm
April 26, 2011


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Post edited 3:15 pm – April 26, 2011 by Nosfer


Possibly a simple reflection, yes…but of what?  It's very likely NOT a reflection of Shawn's or Gabe's IR light (that whole "angle of incidence…" thing)

The walls of that building aren't the most straightly aligned that I've ever seen Laugh but he is aiming at it at quite an angle.  I could accept that it was from his IR if it were the viewer's right most window, but I'm less certain considering where it appears.  They also seem to pan back and forth a little bit and it doesn't reappear when they go back over the spot, nor does it appear in any other window.

The production camera _appears_ to be fairly close to Gabe (whose IR it was that picked up the light), closer than the angle would indicate that he would have to be.  Unfortunately, we don't know who all is around and with what equipment.

Edited: Another thing to consider is the settling and shifting that it looks like that structure has been through…can we even be certain that there is glass in that frame?

 

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10:35 pm
April 26, 2011


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Nosfer said:

Unfortunately, we don't know who all is around and with what equipment.

I was wondering if with the unusually low ambient light levels, the film crew may have had additional lighting that the team wasn't as aware of.  That might explain unexpected reflections (given glass), that were later dismissed, though not until the full dramatic value of "What is that!" was exhausted.

 

11:12 am
April 27, 2011


Nosfer

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Axel Olrik said:

I was wondering if with the unusually low ambient light levels, the film crew may have had additional lighting that the team wasn't as aware of.  That might explain unexpected reflections (given glass), that were later dismissed, though not until the full dramatic value of "What is that!" was exhausted.


 

I was thinking about this a bit more and recall Josh saying something about perpetual twilight which indicates that there was quite a bit more light (compared to their typical investigations) for the IR cams to draw upon.  That still wouldn't have to rule out additional lighting, though, since we don't really know how they operate. 

We can assume at least one other light source beside the IR illuminator that Gabe had.  Two, possibly, if Shawn was also carrying a camera.  Presumably the IR illuminators of their personal-mounted cameras would have been pointed AWAY from the building so we can probably rule those out.

Have to agree with all of the above about why it wasn't detailed in the reveal.  It would be nice if it had been explained since they made a big deal about it during the episode (maybe remove a sauna scene if they need more time in which to offer their findings)  Further, it would give them somewhat of a credibility boost by explaining how they determined that the light was dismissible.

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9:25 pm
April 29, 2011


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One reason to go out of their way to explain the light source was the fact that the flashes of light or "unexplained lights" are seen by passing boats on Deception Island when reportedly the places are uninhabited.  Here they capture something that seemingly matches what has been reported, and they don't offer and explanation if they indeed found one.  They even had "unexplained lights" on their chalkboard at home. 

One reason to explain the diary dropping from the desk when Kyle was in the room at Wordie, was to show a possible explanation for something "paranormal" in the place. Again something "paranormal" happens when paranormal activity was being reported at a location and they don't show an explanation of "hey, he clearly hit the diary with his elbow and didn't know it, even though Kyle claims he didn't hit the diary."

The reveals seemed like they go off into a tangent and to TRY to find something truly spectacular since they went all that way to Antarctica.  I guess they felt the SOS and the "something in the window", which I've rewatched the scene at least 3 times and even paused it at where there is supposed to be "something" and STILL do not see what Josh is talking about, were those items. What a waste!

10:13 am
April 30, 2011


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Kyle and the diary:  Note the camera angle when it happens.  There is a much better camera angle they could have shown, one that showed the diary even.  But the one they choose to show is one that is at a very steep angle upward such that you can't even see the diary, you only hear it fall.  The other angle shows both Kyle and the diary quite nicely, but we never see that.  Kind of odd, wouldn't you say?  They should have explained it, yes, but given that they chose to show the obscure angle rather than the one that would probably show Kyle knocking it off I definitely go with non-paranormal.

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